Patriots Release Additional Deflategate E-mails

eom · May 17, 2015

tuckeverlasting said:
is it 12 or 24 balls that went into the bathroom.

Think he had a dozen from each team.
I'm assuming he doesn't also have the back ups

Deus Irae · May 17, 2015

Dr Pain said:
Let us remember the average discrepancy the NFL claims vs the deflation of the Colts balls is only .3PSI. Honestly who would bother to deflate .3PSI

Someone who wanted to make the balls just a little bit softer, in order to keep their QB happy.

turkeyneck · May 17, 2015

Mack Herron said:
If Kraft does not pursue every means to overturn the league's decision and penalties, then he will not have done everything in his considerable power to ensure the team will compete on an even playing field and the perception of the team and of Brady in particular will be forever tainted.

And, he will be setting himself and the team up for another reaming in future whenever the bilious Green mob at NFL HQ take a fancy to do so.

eom · May 17, 2015

Dr Pain said:
Let us remember the average discrepancy the NFL claims vs the deflation of the Colts balls is only .3PSI. Honestly who would bother to deflate .3PSI

Of course a very easy explanation for .3PSI is the two gauges never mind the rain, time of possession, Colts balls being measured last etc.. This is truly insane. I would love to see all the NFL show try and get ex players to judge on .3 PSI the way they all did with 2 PSI.

This is exactly the point and the bottom line and why I kind of hate to see people waste their time with the logistics of a bathroom.

If people think some guy sneaks off to a bathroom to let 3 ****ing tenths of a psi out of a dozen balls they are probably sending their bank info to nigeria

Danger Zone · May 17, 2015

Deus Irae said:
Someone who wanted to make the balls just a little bit softer, in order to keep their QB happy.

Sorry Deus, don't know where you are going with this, but there is no way McNally was deflating footballs by .3 psi.

Its like a burglar breaking into a mansion and grabbing a quarter out of the change dish.

I think its logical to say that the worst you can imagine McNally did was take those footballs into the bathroom to test them.

It is not reasonable to assume that McNally would take .3 psi out of a football with the intention of making them softer.

Ross12 · May 17, 2015

So even if it were theoretically possible for McNally to deflate every ball by 0.3 PSI (or thereabout), when you take into account all the other possible explanations for an average 0.3 PSI difference (exposed to rain, used offensively drastically more in a run-heavy scheme, tested first straight off the field vs being left alone a while to warm up, etc), you've got to make one hell of a leap of logic to claim that it's "more probable than not" that McNally was the culprit and not any of the other various factors.

BradyBranch39 · May 17, 2015

Here's a question: If McNally was truly in the bathroom to deflate footballs, why would he have limited himself to 95 seconds?

He wouldn't have.

He was in there for only 95 seconds, because as I've said for months, he was peeing.

Deus Irae · May 17, 2015

Ross12 said:
So even if it were theoretically possible for McNally to deflate every ball by 0.3 PSI (or thereabout), when you take into account all the other possible explanations for an average 0.3 PSI difference (exposed to rain, used offensively drastically more in a run-heavy scheme, tested first straight off the field vs being left alone a while to warm up, etc), you've got to make one hell of a leap of logic to claim that it's "more probable than not" that McNally was the culprit and not any of the other various factors.

Absolutely. "Could theoretically have done it" is not the same as "Did it". That's where the Wells report fails. Where people are failing in this thread is trying to argue "Could not have done it, even theoretically".

Peachhead · May 17, 2015

Dr Pain said:
Let us remember the average discrepancy the NFL claims vs the deflation of the Colts balls is only .3PSI. Honestly who would bother to deflate .3PSI

Of course a very easy explanation for .3PSI is the two gauges never mind the rain, time of possession, Colts balls being measured last etc.. This is truly insane. I would love to see all the NFL show try and get ex players to judge on .3 PSI the way they all did with 2 PSI.

As long as it was a double blind test. I'd even settle for single blind. The crap ESPN originally did would get an F in any high school science class.

tuckeverlasting · May 17, 2015

Deus Irae said:
Absolutely. "Could theoretically have done it" is not the same as "Did it". That's where the Wells report fails. Where people are failing in this thread is trying to argue "Could not have done it, even theoretically".

has this thing just turned into lawyerspeak or are we talking practicality ? i just have a hard seeing how someone could do what he's being accused of in 90 seconds. but that's just me.

Deus Irae · May 17, 2015

tuckeverlasting said:
has this thing just turned into lawyerspeak or are we talking practicality ? i just have a hard seeing how someone could do what he's being accused of in 90 seconds. but that's just me.

It's been demonstrated.
Live.
On television.

Too may people here are apparently hoping to prove Bianchi right about blindly defending Brady.

neuronet · May 17, 2015

festy1986 said:
So, even after taking the balls to the bathroom just before game time and apparently deflating the balls.

The NFL then again ALLOWED him to do so after halftime when the balls were inflated to proper psi?

That. Doesnt. Make. Sense.

Mack Herron · May 17, 2015

Deus Irae said:
Someone who wanted to make the balls just a little bit softer, in order to keep their QB happy.

I had entertained this possibility as well. After reading the Patriots side, however, I see it as so highly improbable as to be ridiculous.

His time in the bathroom was approximately 95seconds -- a duration that I am sure you have, from your own experience, determined is consistent with putting down the bags,locking the door, relieving oneself, washing and drying one'shands, unlocking the door, picking up the bags,
and exiting. It is also a time totally inconsistent with trying to take 12 footballs out of the bag (either one by one to tamper with or all at a time and spread out in a mess on the floor, putting a needle or gauge in each, adjusting any over-deflation,being sure all balls were then at a consistent psi, replacing them in the bag, and departing). (We certainly saw how the League's half time psi measurements and adjustments – even with multiple people involved in the process - of 11 Patriots balls and an unknown number of Colts balls took more like a minute per ball, since the balls were in the OLR for 14 minutes at halftime. The
League's conduct in measuring and adjusting the balls took so long it delayed getting the balls back to
the field at the start of the second half.) Furthermore, since it had already been announced that kick
off had been delayed 10 minutes when Jim left the OLR with the balls, and with the Seattle
game ending so quickly into OT, there was no need for Jim to rush through any theorized psi-adjusting activity – there were still about 20 minutes till kickoff, and he could have, and would have, stayed in the bathroom far longer than 95 seconds were he carrying out a plan to adjust psi .

neuronet · May 17, 2015

Deus Irae said:
It's been demonstrated.
Live.
On television.

Link?

JMC00 · May 17, 2015

eom said:
Well, that's obviously not the only time the pats tamper, as the wells report states that these suspicions came up in the previous game when the pats were on the road in a dome.

2 balls picked off, I believe, guy on sidelines immediately noticed they were 3/10ths psi light and confirmed by gauging

Patriots dont touch their footballs after they give them to the refs on road games so that kills that theory.

What happened if the footballs were low was the colts let air out of them or the refs didn't do their job which according to the world is fine when Aaron Rodgers tries to get overinflated balls to the ref

Or colts are just straight up lying because they didn't cry to the NFL until a few days before the AFCC

nowayback · May 17, 2015

To deflate 12 balls in that time may be possible, however to deflate them, he has to not mix them up. So I would think he would do each ball and not put back in same bag. Put on floor or sink area, then when done put all back in bag. and walk out looking cool and calm. And for such an important task, why not take 3 min and do it better, since Tom is sooooo particular

Anyway its not like he snuck away with the balls. And most important the drop in psi was normal.
Does anyone know if when refs measure psi if ball boy is with them?

Palm Beach Pats Fan · May 17, 2015

If we believe that the ref remembers the gauge he used, then in that bathroom,

McNally took 0.3-0.4 psi from two footballs,
added 0.3 psi to two other footballs,
and left the rest alone

sensible, huh?

Deus Irae · May 17, 2015

Mack Herron said:
I see it as so highly improbable as to be ridiculous.

It's not remotely improbable or ridiculous. It also wouldn't require taking all the balls out of the bag and putting them on the floor.

Again, let's not blindly follow. Let's use our own heads.

Deus Irae · May 17, 2015

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:
If we believe that the ref remembers the gauge he used, then in that bathroom,

McNally took 0.3-0.4 psi from two footballs,
added 0.3 psi to two other footballs,
and left the rest alone

sensible, huh?

Mack Herron · May 17, 2015

Deus Irae said:
It's not remotely improbable or ridiculous. It also wouldn't require taking all the balls out of the bag and putting them on the floor.

Again, let's not blindly follow. Let's use our own heads.

What would be the plausible scenario, taking into account Brady's stated desire for the balls to be 12.5 as well as the actual measurements in the Wells report? I struggle with this but I'd happily acknowledge a plausible scenario that was consistent with all the facts. I have not seen one yet, but it does not mean it doesn't exist.

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