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You know, the longer this goes on, i find myself getting more and more pissed off about it. Tom Brady has been a model employee and face of the league for 15 years or so now. Never has he been in trouble or fined, this farce happens and he is instantly number one on the NFLs most wanted list. A dirtbag. A cheater. A horrible person.

I really wouldnt blame him if he retired, he doesnt deserve this and it is downright shameful the way he is being treated. 15 years of examplary conduct means nothing.

We are emotionally invested so we feel it more acutely, but the injustice of it all is what really gets me.

Years ago in the Navy my command had a best ball tournament and I was paired with a good golfer.

I struggle to break 100 and that day I carried the good golfer. I was only hoping to contribute a good shot here and there, but maybe since I was relaxed and felt no pressure, I played out of my mind and could do no wrong.

Even though the other pair in our foursome vouched for me, one guy refused to accept our score since "he had seen me golf and there was no way I shot what I was claiming."

I think I feel more angry about the Pats getting railroaded than I did of being accused of lying about my golf score, but it sure is the same principle.
 
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There are several reasons that have been astutely pointed out already in this thread:
  • the internet
  • social media
  • 24/7 sports news
  • everyone is supposed to get a trophy and win, but that's not happening here
  • the exponential increase in money in sports
  • sports moving from an occasional entertainment diversion, to a 365-day obsession for many fans
  • the blurring of the line between news and opinions in the media
  • and a few other valid reasons that I may have forgotten

I would like to add that the NFL itself - not just the media - has moved towards a National Enquirer-style of gossip being good - the old Hollywood cliche of no such thing as bad publicity - despite those in the league offices claiming otherwise. Based on how they have handled the start to finish of leaks of information, investigation and judgements not just in Deflategate or Spygate, but also with Bountgate, the Incognito/Miami offensive line case, Ray Rice, Adrian Peterson, etc. - it is questionable to me if these are cases of bungled ineptness, or choreographed scripts to captivate the NFL's audience.

Secondly, there has been for quite some time a decline in sportsmanship that started on the field of play, and is now replicated by many sports fans. It started with Muhammed Ali and his taunting of opponents - his treatment of Joe Frazier, a guy who helped him when he was down and out, was unforgivable in my opinion - and Ali was lauded for that rather than condemned. That has led to trash talking becoming acceptable even in Pop Warner games. Look at players whooping it up after a tackle even if the play resulted in a gain for a first down. NBA highlights focus on a dunk and the player's reaction, even if the celebration results in an easy basket at the other end of the court.

Pandora's Box has been opened, and there is no re-closing it. Interaction on the internet behind the cloak of anonymity and the safety of seclusion has, and will continue to result in acerbic and embittered words and opinions. When communicating in person I find the interactions to be, with a few exceptions, far more civil.
 
If I could give the preceding post more than just one Winner I would, especially the truth about Ali.
 
Instead of Ali, MY example would have been Hagler and Sugar Ray. Leonard talked the entire boxing world and the country into believing he "won" that fight. WHAT fight? He was scared the entire time and HE knows it. Marvin was there to BEAT HIS ASS if he wanted to fight. Sugar Ray didn't, the main reason was he couldn't hurt Hagler if he was using a baseball bat., He used his patented foot shuffling flurries that didn't even land 99% of the fight and stole a decision on the strength of charisma alone. A boxing TRAVESTY.
 
The crying is something you only see at the top level. If anyone tried to claim they were disadvantaged by .4 psi after losing a game at the playground, or highschool level they would be laughed at. It's sour grapes and excuses, and people would see it for that.

I don't know what that means except that the NFL seems to be infested right now with a cast of characters less mature than your average 16 year old.
 
The NFL itself is to blame. By revising its rule everytime one of the chosen (colts jets Ravens Titans) complain. They have given credence to the thought that the Patriots cheat, and gain advantages from the refs. The 2013 season was a prime example of this when at least 2 games after the Saints games, were tainted because of public and peer pressure. That's why they picked up the flag when Gronk was held in the Panthers game, and why they felt obliged to call the unsportsmanlike penalty in the Jets game. The Ravens go into every game yelling and squawking about the Patriots getting preferential treatment, then they proceed to poke eyes out and punch our receivers in the head, with no recourse. If the NFL just once stood up and said stop this **** instead of saying "we'll change the rules" they would put an end to it. As it is they have created and nurtured a culture of anti Patriots sentiment.
 
Ill keep keep this short: The pats and Brady look like they manipulated the balls, it was brought the the NFLs attention and at that point the NFL should have just leveled a fine and maybe even doc the team a pick. The pats would have accepted it and it would have been over.

Instead the NFL hired Wells, the flawed report came out and it has been an embarrassment for the NFL and pats ever since.
 
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There's so much "bootstrapping" in the way this turned into 1M, 1st/4th/, 4-game suspension that it's sickening even by normal NFL standards, and they don't have any.

The NFL:
1) Admitted they had no proof, the Pats organization (BB, Kraft, all the other players) had no part in this, and that the 2 equipment staffers can't be proven to have done it. In terms of TFB they "ruled" that he "more probably than not was generally aware"... if it happened at all.

2) Proceeded to say that if the team didn't know about it they should have... (er, if it happened at all.)

3) cited another case full of holes (and now missing evidence) to make the "punishment phase" apply to both cases... despite the steep price paid in the previous case, relative to similar documented cases that were never even pursued;

4) Over-punished, and cited (3) the previous case as a basis for the over-punishment.

And by the way in the process of making its "case," the NFL acknowledged that (1) they didn't believe their own ref, and (2) the texts they rest so much of their case on, point to at least one NFL official as having inflated a ball to 16 PSI, for whatever reason.

They have previously admitted that their refs have gotten calls wrong that gave away whole games - outcomes much more toxic to the competitive balance than the supposed infraction -- which, once again, they failed to prove after more than 100 days and $5 million.

To sum up, you have a league that has much more evidence against its own officials than against the Pats' equipment guys, claiming that the equipment guys are guilty even though they can't prove it. Without evidence, they make Tom Brady "at least generally aware" of the equipment guys' actions. With explicit statements that the team was not aware, they generalize guilt to the team itself, and they punish the team based not on the facts - because they have none - but on a general feeling that since something happened in 2007, the Pats are all big fat cheaters.

Now then: What would prevent the nefarious act of making a ball too squishy? Simple measures that could have been put into place wayyyyyy before this farce.

You can have the league control the balls and gauges, if PSI truly is so damned important. Alternately, you could make the PSI of the ball up to the given QB - if Rodgers plays better with the 16.0 balls the refs gave Brady, fine, that's what they use in GB. If Brady plays better with 12.0 balls, fine, give him those.

When we were playing as kids (see above) we might have a flat ball and if someone had a bike pump, we pumped them back up, and if we didn't, we'd deal. Just as long as we could play football. If someone had an NFL-reg ball we'd use it. If someone had some kind of smaller ball we'd use that. Fugg it, if all we had around was a nerf ball we'd use that. It would suck but we'd use it.

We'd still say someone won or lost every game.

So the stakes are higher, groesse gedillah. If the stakes are so freaking high, NFL, do your due diligence. If we absolutely must have balls within a 1.0 range, you better have standard gauges distributed every week, and they better be right, and the refs better use them when re-inflating a ball they don't think is right... not pump it up to 16.0.

Just a bunch of crap I've said before. Summing up:

- No evidence against Pats
- Tons of evidence against refs
- No investigation of refs
- Investigation of Pats
- Outcome: Pats lose a first rounder, a fourth rounder, a million bucks (40 times the penalty named in the rules,) and a 4 game suspension.

The very fact that the rules name $25,000 as a fine amount suggests the level of infraction the league treats this as... if it's not the Pats.

Angry angry angry. Okay, done.
 
Instead of Ali, MY example would have been Hagler and Sugar Ray. Leonard talked the entire boxing world and the country into believing he "won" that fight. WHAT fight? He was scared the entire time and HE knows it. Marvin was there to BEAT HIS ASS if he wanted to fight. Sugar Ray didn't, the main reason was he couldn't hurt Hagler if he was using a baseball bat., He used his patented foot shuffling flurries that didn't even land 99% of the fight and stole a decision on the strength of charisma alone. A boxing TRAVESTY.

I saw that fight on closed-circuit TV at the Worcester Centrum, and I agree that Leonard never hurt
Hagler, not even once. Unfortunately, Hagler gave away too many early rounds by simply not throwing
enough punches, then Leonard would do some fancy shuffle-dancing & shadow-boxing near the end
of those rounds to steal the points. I blame the lack of early urgency on his trainers, the Petronellis.

Sorry for the brief hijack, but that fight still infuriates me.
 
I stated in another thread that the mental stress "deflategate" (and similar contentious nonsense) brings to a hobby/diversion I've relied upon all these years to escape stress ruins whatever joy is left. I'm not sure it's worth hearing and reading "Cheaters!" "Liars!" at every turn, especially when I know it's not true. You need a thick skin and most of it I can tune out, but real life and death is grim enough without putting football on the same level.


I think in the past it was the same as today except we did not hear all the outside noise because there wasn't the internet or cable TV. Back then my version of the portable telephone was when you had a 20 foot extension on your phone line. Now a days everyone is everywhere at anytime and saying anything. You're right in that we need thicker skin to enjoy sports but it is still as wonderful distraction as it was back then with the addition of listening to opposing fans talking illiterately through their tail pipes. For me it's easy to ignore because we are talking about 0.3 psi in regards to deflategate and a camera position when talking about spygate both of which mean nothing to me as far as if the Patriots are cheaters or not. To me we have had the pleasure of watching the greatest Coach/QB combo in NFL's history and the rest of the other fans are just jealous. Take it with a grain of salt.
 
It's pretty ugly to watch. Hating a sports team or a player is immature. Hating fans of another team simply for liking their team is infantile if not outright insane.

I enjoy friendly rivalries. I'm a Boston sports fan. I have many friends who are NY sports fans. We kid each other all the time in a friendly way.

However, the stuff I'm seeing in the TV sports shows and sports "news" websites is not civil, polite, friendly or even sane. It's twisted and repugnant to look at. I have to avert my eyes.
 
Follow the money.
I think that's really the crux of it, in a more global way: the stratification of American society and the destruction of the American Dream has caused the majority of the population to be stressed without relief. Spectator sports are a distraction from day to day troubles, fans of pro teams vicariously enjoy the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat. That becomes even more important when the rest of life offers few victories. So there is rancor instead of sportsmanship, as a general trend. The same trend shows up in politics, rancor has replaced civility in our society. On top of that the Patriots win way too much, forcing fans of other teams to forego victory and taste nothing but defeat. It's just not fair!
 
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