PatsFans.com Menu
PatsFans.com - The Hub For New England Patriots Fans

What does the future hold for Robert Kraft (poll included)


THE HUB FOR PATRIOTS FANS SINCE 2000

MORE PINNED POSTS:
Avatar
Replies:
312
Very sad news: RIP Joker
Avatar
Replies:
316
OT: Bad news - "it" is back...
Avatar
Replies:
234
2023/2024 Patriots Roster Transaction Thread
Avatar
Replies:
49
Asking for your support
 

Will Kraft suddenly reverse course and allow the NFL to have its way in the end?


  • Total voters
    77
Status
Not open for further replies.
Can somebody tell me why Kraft should give s*** about the other owners? Even if the owners disbanded the league office he owns a large market team. He will probably make more money, it should be the small market owners who want him to play ball.
 
Kraft still has many friends....they just don't want to publicly take sides.The situation is quickly escalating and no one knows quite where it's heading. It doesn't surprise me in the least bit, that there are some who want to wait and see how everything unfolds. We could hear stirrings of discord as early as next week, at the Owner's meeting. But it's anyone's guess what's happening behind-the-scenes.

I can't speak for Kraft's resolve, but the door is still wide open for an appeal. Like I mentioned, he has until next Thursday to file an official appeal. So there's still time to contest the loss of draft picks and the million dollar fine.

I agree that behind the scenes who knows but Jones coming out for Goodell was a big blow. I think he'll appeal but I feel that's an empty road and I think the Patriots know it too. They'll do it to save face all the same. Does anybody see him bringing it to court outside of the NFL? That sets a precedent and I don't think he'll go there. So that being the case looking to limit Goodell and his stooges in the future looks like the best long term option.
 
My last post on Kraft is in a chess game.

Yes, there are things he needs to do now, but he also has to think long-term.
 
So that being the case looking to limit Goodell and his stooges in the future looks like the best long term option.

While I'm sure whichever team Goodell tries to punish and railroad in 5 years will appreciate it the problem remains that this does absolutely nothing to help the Patriots in their disastrous position. If Kraft is playing chess he needs to flip over the board. It doesn't matter one iota if you are the most gifted grand master to ever play the game if the governing authority for the tournament allows the other guy to set up a board full of queens.
 
I'm sure whichever team Goodell tries to punish and railroad in 10 years will appreciate it. The problem is that this does absolutely nothing to help the Patriots in their disastrous position.

How would you affect a drastic change given that he won't get a quorum from the owners and isn't going the federal court route?

Maybe it takes a few years but you start the process of undermining him now and the next big slip up you strike.
 
Go the federal court route or step aside and let Jonathan take the reigns because you clearly aren't fit to run this organization any longer. From the little I know of Jonathan he is the kind of guy in big business that you really don't want to make an enemy of.
 
My knowledge of Al Davis is rather limited....thank for the added perspective!

The article below gets into some of Davis' achievements. One of my favorite quotes from Davis was that if he were in charge of the merger the NFL would have paid them to join, not the other way around. He talked tough and backed it up. Every AFC fan should be thankful for what Big Al did for the AFL.

www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d822eddba/article/davis-contributions-to-professional-football-ran-the-gamut
 
@everlong You're right. There are many many moving parts that go into a Federal law suit. That's why no owner has attempted to sue the League since Al Davis. It's not an easy choice to make, especially if you're a congenial person like Kraft. But if there was ever a time in which the 'nuclear option' was needed, it would be now.

This whole situation has gotten completely out of control. Look at where we are today. What started off as a minor infraction has since mushroomed into a living nightmare for Pats nation. In the last five months, the Patriots have been railroaded into the ground by false accusations, misinformation leaked to the press, and the malicious handling of an investigation that quickly turned into a witch-hunt. The NFL has finally shown its true colors. It's been compromised at the highest levels, by cronies who carry out personal agendas against other teams. And nowGoodell is overstepping his powers to try to dismantle the very accomplishments that have brought this organization so much pride and fame.

Kraft needs to hold this system to account once and for all, and expose it for what it really is. The 'nuclear option' is the best way to go.
 
Awesome read! Thanks

Of course, I hated him too. After all, he was the face of the Raiders. But looking back it's easy to see how much he meant to the AFL.

The funny thing is, there was a time that I also admired the Jets for beating Shula and the Colts in 1968/69 and quieting down the old line NFLers. But the Tuna Crap tampering and all the bs since has changed that. Now, I keep that admiration to the KC Chiefs for 1969/70. That is the team that quieted the NFLers down for good.
 
Ritz_SanFrancisco_00214_MainShort.jpg

The Ritz Carlton San Francisco, where Kraft will meet face to face with Goodell at the NFL owners meetings on Mon-Tues

*crosses fingers and hopes that Kraft doesn't back down and walk out with a 'deal' *
 
@everlong You're right. There are many many moving parts that go into a Federal law suit. That's why no owner has attempted to sue the League since Al Davis. It's not an easy choice to make, especially if you're a congenial person like Kraft. But if there was ever a time in which the 'nuclear option' was needed, it would be now.

This whole situation has gotten completely out of control. Look at where we are today. What started off as a minor infraction has since mushroomed into a living nightmare for Pats nation. In the last five months, the Patriots have been railroaded into the ground by false accusations, misinformation leaked to the press, and the malicious handling of an investigation that quickly turned into a witch-hunt. The NFL has finally shown its true colors. It's been compromised at the highest levels, by cronies who carry out personal agendas against other teams. And nowGoodell is overstepping his powers to try to dismantle the very accomplishments that have brought this organization so much pride and fame.

Kraft needs to hold this system to account once and for all, and expose it for what it really is. The 'nuclear option' is the best way to go.

I happen to agree with you but it's not my checkbook and I just don't see Kraft going that direction. He'll choose diplomacy for better or worse. It's served him well over the years and people tend to go with their strength. Maybe Jonathan is Churchill to Bob's Chamberlain. If it was me I would have gone nuclear in 07.
 
I happen to agree with you but it's not my checkbook and I just don't see Kraft going that direction. He'll choose diplomacy for better or worse. It's served him well over the years and people tend to go with their strength. Maybe Jonathan is Churchill to Bob's Chamberlain. If it was me I would have gone nuclear in 07.

Yeah, maybe you have a point. I'm glad we're at least both pro-nuke'em :D
 
Patriots Info Dump Might Indicate Sense Of Lack Of Legal Recourse

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2015/0...ght-indicate-sense-of-lack-of-legal-recourse/

It seems that virtually everybody has offered his or take in response to the publication of The Wells Report in Context Thursday, written by Daniel Goldberg, an attorney for the New England Patriots, but perhaps the most interesting that I read yesterday was that of former Cleveland Browns general manager Joe Banner.

Banner suggests that the nature of the Patriots’ response—a full-on information dump in the form of a near point-by-point rebuttal of the Ted Wells investigation’s findings—indicates that the organization does not have the intention of pursuing legal recourse in the matter.

In other words, they are currently in the process of throwing haymakers in the hopes of perhaps saving face, or at least presenting the consistent position of maintaining their innocence, whether they believe in their own innocence or not.

Banner reasons that “if they were” planning on pursuing legal action, “they would not have wanted to lay out their arguemant [sic]”. And that is precisely what the document penned by Goldberg is, virtually on a line-by-line scale.

Mind you, this is of no substance to the obviously related by separate matter of Tom Brady’s suspension, which, as of yesterday, he has formally appealed via the NFLPA. While obviously supported by the Patriots, this is a matter involving the player, and not the organization.

Any recourse that the Patriots would hypothetically pursue with regards to their own institutional punishments, namely a fine of $1 million—the most in league history—and the forfeiture of a 2016 first-round draft pick and a 2017 fourth-round draft pick, would come as an alternative process outside of Brady’s arbitration.

It certainly is a very interesting idea that Banner presents, and one that appears to have some credence. After all, there is a good deal of sense to what he says. Presenting the seeming entirety of your defense to the plaintiffs in advance of any type of legal action is objectively terrible and counter-productive practice.

In light of that, then, the repeated public defiance from Patriots president Robert Kraft, Brady, and Brady’s agent, Don Yee, culminating in the coup de grâce that is the data bomb of The Wells Report in Context, seems to be, at its nucleus, a point of pride.

Kraft and his organization is under attack, its reputation badly tarnished, with public perception rapidly escalating, perhaps to new highs of negativity. Assuming that he knows pursuing legal recourse will ultimately accomplish nothing of significant value, it is conceivable that the next-most favored course of action is righteous indignation.

And they have clearly gotten that down to a science, with perhaps my favorite example coming in Kraft’s statement in the wake of the announcement of discipline in which he states that the punishment “far exceeded any reasonable expectation” and “was based completely on circumstantial rather than hard or conclusive evidence”.

The cherry on top? “We recognize our fans’ concerns regarding the NFL’s penalties and share in their disappointment in how this one-sided investigation was handled”. That is some delicious outrage.
 

Things are different for the organization's punishment, so I wouldn't be surprised if these idiots were in the right ballpark. Aside from a pointless appeal to the commissioner, I have a hard time seeing the team get anywhere.

Brady, OTOH, has reason for optimism, since there is no proof that he knew of any funny business, and the process is more favorable to challenging player punishments vs. those that are organizational.

Obviously, it goes without saying that we're all hoping for the best.
 
Things are different for the organization's punishment, so I wouldn't be surprised if these idiots were in the right ballpark. Aside from a pointless appeal to the commissioner, I have a hard time seeing the team get anywhere.

Brady, OTOH, has reason for optimism, since there is no proof that he knew of any funny business, and the process is more favorable to challenging player punishments vs. those that are organizational.

Obviously, it goes without saying that we're all hoping for the best.

There's something deeply sinister about the NFL, and the best way to expose it might be to actually file a law suit. Even if there's an uphill legal battle to face in the courts, what could Kraft possibly have to lose at this point? The Patriot brand has been damaged beyond repair....might as well take the NFL down with you.
 
I think this may be wishful thinking. The guy basically starts with the premise that Wells has a rock solid case then tries to understand the point of the rebuttal.

Here's an alternate theory. Goodell could claim his decisions were based off his "independent" investigator. He made the decisions off the information available. Now Goodell has more information available so if he upholds the appeal and it gets overturned in court he can't use that excuse. If the court sees the evidence as bogus then Goody has no excuse why he was incapable of seeing it.

They could have just sent him an email (and they may have done that also), but he could claim he never read the email because he gets thousands a day.

Whatever the reason for the public rebuttal I would assume it's more than a PR stunt. We are past PR, and I would assume he's getting advised by lawyers for a reason. And the lawyers either advised or allowed the rebuttal because they think it serves some legal purpose.
 
There is a slim chance that if Kraft is angry enough, that he has the necessary pieces to walk away from this as THE King maker - or even the King himself. Take away the anti-trust exemption when you own one of the three most valuable franchises in one of the largest markets and you increase your relative wealth and power in the league.

It's a magnificent chess game. I wonder how much poker is involved too - will the NFL offices call Kraft's bluff, or is it a bluff?
I know Jerry Jones did (and Snyder as well?) came out in support of Goodell. Can it be a coincidence that they are the other 2 of 3 most valuable franchises? If I'm the small market teams, I'd be considering what this can all mean. A very interesting owners meeting coming up.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: JJC
I think this may be wishful thinking. The guy basically starts with the premise that Wells has a rock solid case then tries to understand the point of the rebuttal.

Here's an alternate theory. Goodell could claim his decisions were based off his "independent" investigator. He made the decisions off the information available. Now Goodell has more information available so if he upholds the appeal and it gets overturned in court he can't use that excuse. If the court sees the evidence as bogus then Goody has no excuse why he was incapable of seeing it.

They could have just sent him an email (and they may have done that also), but he could claim he never read the email because he gets thousands a day.

Whatever the reason for the public rebuttal I would assume it's more than a PR stunt. We are past PR, and I would assume he's getting advised by lawyers for a reason. And the lawyers either advised or allowed the rebuttal because they think it serves some legal purpose.

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/

"3. Some have asked what Kraft accomplished by launching the website Wellsreportcontext.com on Thursday, because it’s not as if the NFL will be reducing any penalties because of it. In fact, the website probably only intensifies hard feelings between the team and league office. But one needs only review Kraft’s remarks in recent months to understand the purpose of the website -- it’s a legacy piece. With conviction that his team did nothing wrong, and that the NFL predetermined the outcome of its investigation from the start, Kraft simply wanted to put the team’s version of events on the public record. Some might believe them. Others might not. But for an owner that feels his team was railroaded by the NFL, the website was deemed the best avenue to tell his team’s side of the story and formally introduce it to any public debate right now and into the future. My feeling is that the Patriots’ fight most likely stops there; I’d be surprised if Kraft filed a lawsuit against the NFL."

This paragraph from Reiss is very disheartening to read. If the website launch was Kraft's big response, I'll be very pissed off. The more information that comes out, the more it is clear that taking away those draft picks is pure insanity. I expect some Federal judge will reverse Brady's penalty while tearing apart the Wells report in the process. Most fans, however, care about the draft picks more than anything else. It will only increase my level of anger if the Wells report and overall penalty is deemed to be BS in court, yet the patriots as an organization get no relief.

I think that we should all prepare ourselves for another "for the good of the league scenario". I don't use Twitter or My Face but I'd love to send a message indirectly to Kraft voicing my frustration. If this is how it plays out, it will not change how I follow the team, but Kraft will be dead to me as a all-time *ussy.
 
By publishing http://wellsreportcontext.com/ Kraft exposed the fact that there is no legitimate basis for surrendering draft picks to the NFL. It is not clear to me, however, that Kraft has helped his case or image.

1. If, after appeal, Brady is dissatisfied with the NFL decision, which seems like a virtual certainty to me, does he and the NFLPA take the case to court? It certainly looks likely. And if he does, the flaws in the NFL's process and their evidence be torn to shreds. At this point I would expect Brady's suspension to be overturned. While part of Brady's case will be specific to Brady, much of it will be on the weakness of the Wells report that constitutes most of the evidentiary support for the team violation and penalties.

2. If Brady's suspension is overturned, therefore, it seems likely that the Brady/NFLPA case will expose the brutal unfairness to which the team has been subjected by the NFL. If, as many suspect, Kraft chooses not the file suit against the league, the schism between Kraft supporting the league over his players and fans will be laid bare. Some fans will support Kraft, but many will resent that he capitulated to unfair processes that placed his team at an unfair competitive disadvantage solely to support the league that bit him. Many Patriots fans who receive none of the benefits that Kraft will from supporting the league will not be able to accept such a decision and Kraft will lose the support of such fans.

3. In the end, Kraft has to decide which is better for his franchise. Does he seek peace with the league and his fellow owners in the near term? The answer involves many unknowns, not the least of which is how principled is Kraft, how many fans will he turn away if he surrenders draft picks to a corrupt league and how will this affect his franchise?

Chamberlain_Munich.jpg
 
Status
Not open for further replies.


Tuesday Patriots Notebook 4/23: News and Notes
MORSE: Final 7 Round Patriots Mock Draft, Matthew Slater News
Bruschi’s Proudest Moment: Former LB Speaks to MusketFire’s Marshall in Recent Interview
Monday Patriots Notebook 4/22: News and Notes
Patriots News 4-21, Kraft-Belichick, A.J. Brown Trade?
MORSE: Patriots Draft Needs and Draft Related Info
Friday Patriots Notebook 4/19: News and Notes
TRANSCRIPT: Eliot Wolf’s Pre-Draft Press Conference 4/18/24
Thursday Patriots Notebook 4/18: News and Notes
Wednesday Patriots Notebook 4/17: News and Notes
Back
Top