Curran: Goodell in it up to his eyes thanks to his guys

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-pa...-roger-goodell-it-his-eyes-thanks-to-his-guys

great read. But i wish more people nationally focused on how kensil and grigson plotted a sting operation and how gardi gave wrong measurement info to kraft.

Good article but Curran suggests that Goodell was blindsided and was a victim kept in the dark.

I don't believe that.

Nice article, but there's no doubt the head moron enables the behavior of all those mentioned. You didn't have a three stooges festival every time there was a problem under Rozelle or Tagliabue, just the opposite.

RayClay said:

Nice article, but there's no doubt the head moron enables the behavior of all those mentioned. You didn't have a three stooges festival every time there was a problem under Rozelle or Tagliabue, just the opposite.

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Who's more foolish the fool or the fool that follows him?

The Gr8est said:

Good article but Curran suggests that Goodell was blindsided and was a victim kept in the dark.

I don't believe that.

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If he wasn't aware it still happened on his watch, I believe he was aware too but either way he's complicit.

SVN said:

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-pa...-roger-goodell-it-his-eyes-thanks-to-his-guys

great read. But i wish more people nationally focused on how kensil and grigson plotted a sting operation and how gardi gave wrong measurement info to kraft.

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Correct. That was a great read. It's nice to see something based on reality here. So much of what's linked is to the dipsticks that bash the Pats. What's the point of that. This article is just plain common sense.

It really is going to take patience to get through this. I still can't believe though that these flunkies can pull it off, even with the deck stacked in their favor. It will make the next season even sweeter if the Pats win.

As for Goody's awareness of what went on. It's much more probable than not that he doesn't have a clue what's going on.

1960Pats said:

As for Goody's awareness of what went on. It's much more probable than not that he doesn't have a clue what's going on.

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Goodell is convinced he's got him.

The Gr8est said:

Good article but Curran suggests that Goodell was blindsided and was a victim kept in the dark.

I don't believe that.

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I don't know if it's true, but I can believe that Goodell's underlings did this without his say so. In his interview with Peter King last week, he was pretty clear that he wasn't aware of any complaint by the Colts before the AFCCG.

His problems are (a) His guys are running around doing things like this and (b) When he found out about it, he, either on his own or at the suggestion of Kensil & Co, screwed up the situation even more.

1960Pats said:

Correct. That was a great read. It's nice to see something based on reality here. So much of what's linked is to the dipsticks that bash the Pats. What's the point of that. This article is just plain common sense.

It really is going to take patience to get through this. I still can't believe though that these flunkies can pull it off, even with the deck stacked in their favor. It will make the next season even sweeter if the Pats win.

As for Goody's awareness of what went on. It's much more probable than not that he doesn't have a clue what's going on.

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Once they figure this one out they need to revisit Spygate and find Kensil's involvment. It was no coincidence that the offense was caught in Rats Stadium, IMO.

"Ignorance is no excuse" - Roger Goodell.

So even if he didn't know, by his own words he deserves to be punished for it.

The Gr8est said:

Good article but Curran suggests that Goodell was blindsided and was a victim kept in the dark.

I don't believe that.

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I actually do believe it "possible" simply because I've been an investigator thrust into similar situations. It happens. However, I'm also one those folks who are described as a-holes just for doing my job, the job being investigating. I can see Goodell being "blindsided" on the basis that it happens frequently. And sometimes, not always, but sometimes, a CEO (perhaps a commish) reviews and gets it right. I'm keeping up my hopes until the final say...

No matter what, I'd love to investigate this case on both sides of the equation, NFL, Wells and Pats. Honestly, I don't think that it would take more than a couple of weeks to present a report and certainly not anything even close to approaching "millions". That's absurd! This was a $30K to 50K case, IMO. A pretty Mickey Mouse case compared to many of the high profile cases PIs find themselves involved in. Millions? The time and no "expensive, rolling surveillance hours" ? If there were, where are the reports?

Is it me? I'm only a few years out of the profession and now this explosion in fees? What? Huh? But it is at least to see that investigator reports are still heavily biased in favor of the client (they always are).

I could keep going on, but to what end. I'm frustrated just as the rest of you are as there's nothing I can do. Yes, I was retained by an NFL team, but it wasn't the Pats. Now my passion is being assaulted and there's nothing I can do or say about it that means a lick. Tough to fault the Wells Report as I've also slanted cases towards my clients beliefs, but......(you can all fill in the blank)...

Was this their conversation?

Kinsel - We caught the Pats with deflated balls
Goodell - Great! Did you keep some for evidence?
Kinsil - Uh .....No we didn't
Goodell - What did you do with them?
Kinsel - Uh ...We reinflated them and put them back in the game.
Goodell - Wow...well ok... can you give me a list of the measurements you took?
Kinsel - Uh...No we can't
Goodell - Why not?
Kinsel - We didn't write them down but don't worry Walt will remember what they were.
Goodell - He'll remember the pressure for all 48 footballs?
Kinsel - Yeah he's got a great memory.
Goodell - What kind of gauge did he use?
Kinsel - Walt says it was the Logo gauge but I think he used the non logo gauge.
Goodell - So he doesn't remember which gauge he used?
Kinsel - Right. We got em though. Don't worry.

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Was this their conversation?

Kinsel - We caught the Pats with deflated balls
Goodell - Great! Did you keep some for evidence?
Kinsil - Uh .....No we didn't
Goodell - What did you do with them?
Kinsel - Uh ...We reinflated them and put them back in the game.
Goodell - Wow...well ok... can you give me a list of the measurements you took?
Kinsel - Uh...No we can't
Goodell - Why not?
Kinsel - We didn't write them down but don't worry Walt will remember what they were.
Goodell - He'll remember the pressure for all 48 footballs?
Kinsel - Yeah he's got a great memory.
Goodell - What kind of gauge did he use?
Kinsel - Walt says it was the Logo gauge but I think he used the non logo gauge.
Goodell - So he doesn't remember which gauge he used?
Kinsel - Right. We got em though. Don't worry.

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Good try, but it was probably more like this:

Kensil: "We caught the Pats with deflated balls"
Goodell: "Yeehaw! Great work buddy! See you this weekend for Dungeons & Dragons"
Kensil: (hangs up phone, turns to equipment manager) "You're in big f***ing trouble!"

The first time I saw Goodell I thought to myself, he's not as dumb as he looks.
Then I realized that he couldn't be.

I believe Goodell didn't explicitly know about this beforehand. I think he just sucks at being in charge and managing people, clueless what is going on around him in the league, and doesn't have control over the guys under him. They are basically running amok because there is no one to stop them.

Then when he gets surprised by these scandals he has to hurry and look tough to make it look like he's on top of it.

I'm not absolving him of any guilt, as the head man in charge he should be on top of everyone below him, so this is still all his fault.