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Folks want instant gratification. Look at our posters over the last week. Hundreds of posters want instant satisfaction. Waiting FOUR whole days is outrageous for them. There should be instant drawing and quartering, and instant lawsuits. I don't get it. The season starts in September.

How many people on this forum have stated that they cant understand why the pats would go into the season with the CBs they have now.

FIX IT NOW
 
I believe that in today's society it's the haves and the have nots. The haves in this case are the Patriots and their fans.....the have nots are the 31 other teams and their fans. People are killed in the streets for what they have....jackets, sneakers, hats..etc. The government wants the rich to be taxed more so the less fortunate can have what they want.

The Pats have the banners and the trophies and winning ways that most other teams don't have. The rationale for all the hatred by others is they are cheaters. That is what they believe is the reason they win. They overlook the superior coaching, hard work, HOF quarterback and instilled mantra of people doing their job that BB harps on.

Nothing is given to the Patriots..they earn every accolade....

Other fans have to deal with it and it isn't easy for them

Saying "Cheaters: is the easy way out for them.
 
I believe that in today's society it's the haves and the have nots. The haves in this case are the Patriots and their fans.....the have nots are the 31 other teams and their fans. People are killed in the streets for what they have....jackets, sneakers, hats..etc. The government wants the rich to be taxed more so the less fortunate can have what they want.

The Pats have the banners and the trophies and winning ways that most other teams don't have. The rationale for all the hatred by others is they are cheaters. That is what they believe is the reason they win. They overlook the superior coaching, hard work, HOF quarterback and instilled mantra of people doing their job that BB harps on.

Nothing is given to the Patriots..they earn every accolade....

Other fans have to deal with it and it isn't easy for them

Saying "Cheaters: is the easy way out for them.

You have stated the view of the young fan.

The business view is that most of the owner are HAVES, certainly the owner of DAL, NE, WASH, and the NYG.
 
Most people are just unhappy or insecure or jealous of co-workers or friends or just cant have what they really want. So, a lot of people deride happiness from their sports teams. So when one team seems to be constantly inflicting pain on the others it triggers a resentment.

The Pats are ruining the main thing that makes them happy.
 
The marketing dept at the NFL should all get raises. They must be behind this?
Is the NBA and NHL still playing?

BINGO. You slap an indictment of a winner on a sports page, you get hits, and the money rolls in. It's high times for sports websites. People get fully involved in sports like few other social opportunities. The media keeps that ball a rollin.

I'm sure an Analytics report for this domain will show a spike since the birth of the Wells report, so at least a Pats fan is benefiting in some way. ;)
 
Probably the internet give anyone the ability to be heard combined with near absolute anonymity.

I used to play a lot of Quake III - Urban Terror mod. On the scale of things, I'd say I was Good to Very Good at the game.

I was routinely accused of cheating. And people would get really angry at me for it going so far as to follow me around calling me names etc. I havent played anything seriously since Q3, but I imagine you see a lot of this kind of overreaction and cheater accusations in any kind of competitive online play.

Its all excuse making and observer bias. Look at how two fan bases can watch the same play and come up with two opposite opinions on what happened. Look at how many times both fan bases would say after a game how biased the refs were.

People's ability to be impartial sucks. Mine included though I do like to pretend it's better than average.
 
I've been watching the NFL more than 50 years, been a Patriots season ticket holder the last 22 years. I recall a time when there was no such thing as "haters," when rival teams beat the hell out of each other but after the final gun mutual respect and good-natured sportsmanship prevailed. The higher ideals of athletic competition were something we aspired to, valued and learned from in hopes of becoming people of stronger character. It was "fun" that we took seriously as a way of measuring ourselves, physically, mentally and emotionally.

I remember as a young fan feeling bad when my team lost but also admiring the skill of the victor and genuinely congratulating rival fans. We all had our favorite teams but at the end of the day were united in love for the sport. These days it's all so cutthroat that win or lose, you have to guard against someone else trying to tear you down, get in your face, or otherwise cause harm. It's not just at the pro level but all levels of sport.

I stated in another thread that the mental stress "deflategate" (and similar contentious nonsense) brings to a hobby/diversion I've relied upon all these years to escape stress ruins whatever joy is left. I'm not sure it's worth hearing and reading "Cheaters!" "Liars!" at every turn, especially when I know it's not true. You need a thick skin and most of it I can tune out, but real life and death is grim enough without putting football on the same level.

I wonder if R. Stokoe Goodell had any compunction over the sadness and anger he has caused so many thousands of fans with his outrageously punitive approach to legislating what should be a source of enjoyment. "Integrity of the game" never meant less than when processed through the hollow brain of that overstuffed sock puppet.

What a sad state of affairs.
Everything has come downto $$$$$$$
I could write a long list of possible reasons revolving the decline of social values, but i'm not that fluid on a keyboard, never mind an i pad keyboard. Besides i'd have to think about and it would give me a headach and is really not worth it other than society has become like the audience from the Jerry Springer show.
And finally ive been thinking about how absurd deflategate and a few other things were, and i concluded that Its No Country for Old Men
 
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I agree with several here. It's the Internet that's done it. People now have an open platform to say any and everything they want and scream their opinions out. And likely the only reason you're noticing it more is because a lot of it is directed at our team.
 
Generally speaking, we have become a nation of fast food consumers as it relates to the media. There are so many outlets thanks to the internet that the majority of the populace probably suffers from some form of ADD or ADHD.

Furthermore, I think the NFL has evolved from a sport to a business over the years as the popularity has exploded, and all of the nasty instances we have seen recently is merely the nature of the beast when it comes to highly successful and competitive businesses.
 
NY media, espn, teams pissed off how they could lose to a team like the Pats which they thought was not as good as them. Rarely have the Pats been thought to have the best personal .Running up the score. Tuck rule, Pats winning, cheatersssssssss, Pats winning, BB not slobbering over local especially and national media. Pats basically just being " in your face" dissing on Pats sells.
 
jealousy and envy drives all of it

the haters hated before deflategate

the league must figure it's good for business to have someone be hated.....which is good for us becasue it means our team is doing something right
 
"I'd rather be hated than ignored." Bobby Heenan
 
I've been watching the NFL more than 50 years, been a Patriots season ticket holder the last 22 years. I recall a time when there was no such thing as "haters," when rival teams beat the hell out of each other but after the final gun mutual respect and good-natured sportsmanship prevailed. The higher ideals of athletic competition were something we aspired to, valued and learned from in hopes of becoming people of stronger character. It was "fun" that we took seriously as a way of measuring ourselves, physically, mentally and emotionally.

I remember as a young fan feeling bad when my team lost but also admiring the skill of the victor and genuinely congratulating rival fans. We all had our favorite teams but at the end of the day were united in love for the sport. These days it's all so cutthroat that win or lose, you have to guard against someone else trying to tear you down, get in your face, or otherwise cause harm. It's not just at the pro level but all levels of sport.

I stated in another thread that the mental stress "deflategate" (and similar contentious nonsense) brings to a hobby/diversion I've relied upon all these years to escape stress ruins whatever joy is left. I'm not sure it's worth hearing and reading "Cheaters!" "Liars!" at every turn, especially when I know it's not true. You need a thick skin and most of it I can tune out, but real life and death is grim enough without putting football on the same level.

I wonder if R. Stokoe Goodell had any compunction over the sadness and anger he has caused so many thousands of fans with his outrageously punitive approach to legislating what should be a source of enjoyment. "Integrity of the game" never meant less than when processed through the hollow brain of that overstuffed sock puppet.

What a sad state of affairs.

Good thread. I considered starting a similar thread last night, albeit in a different style, but didn't, so I'm glad you did.

The short answer is, the viciousness no doubt coincides with the rise of the internet. In eras previous, if you were a Patriot fan and lost a big game, you watched the loss from your living room, and groaned about it with your neighbors. Maybe a friend was a fan of a rival team, and you would have to hear some trash talking from them, but that was about it.

Now when you win or lose a game, it's an online battle between fan bases that get brought right to your living room. Now Patsfans.com is in every hardcore Jet fans living room, just like Jets Insider was in ours.

With that environment, things just get progressively more nasty. This is probably why politics is also so partisan now (not to say it hasn't always been, but now it's so much more personal). When the Democrats or Republicans lose an election, one has to hear the gloating from the other, and it's usually as vicious as possible.

Not that I have any regrets for our fan base, but Patriot fans honestly helped fuel this environment online in the 2000s. It's not because we are any particular way that is unique to football fandom, but because our dynasty and reign of football terror coincided with the rise of the internet.

If the internet had been a thing in the 80's, that honor would have no doubt gone to 49'er fans.

A lot of the reason so many fan bases despise the Patriots is because the Patriots have been so good, for so long, it's allowed Patriot fans online to really lay into people hard, with our football team backing up our trash talking on game day with epic blow out wins, epic comeback wins, etc etc etc.

It's lead to a lot of hate and a lot of jealousy. It's also lead to other fan bases wanting to model themselves after Patriot fans of 8 years ago whenever they get a brief moment in the sun. This was most transparent with the Denver fans who pitifully tried to do their best Pats-fan impersonation in 2013, which failed miserably.

Anyway, to answer your question in a nutshell: The internet.
 
Great thread. I am constantly asking myself why we can't just enjoy this without all the negativity and vicious comments from others. Did Joe Montana have to deal with this back in the day? Did Jerry Rice have a 100-day investigation over stickem?

I think it goes beyond social media. That is a big part of it but it's out twisted, overcrowded, hyper-competitive society we have evolved into. Maybe people always felt beat down and over-worked? Now they can vent their anger on our beloved Patriots thru social media?
 
I was on the internet in the late 80s and thru the 90s on USENET interacting primarily with AFCE fans. Yeah the Jets were obnoxious, but hey they were New Yorkers and the Bills were brutal but NOTHING at all like it is today.
 
There's one major side to this whole thing that I think gets overlooked often. All these fans that cry cheater would be the first ones to buy Tom Brady jerseys if he got traded to their team. They only put up a front and deny Brady's abilities because he's not doing it for them.

The cheating cries are just envy, they are fully aware of how good Brady is but just hate facing it.
 
The answer to this question is rather simple: the Patriots have kicked the **** out of the rest of the league for 15 years, all the while refusing to play the grab-*** NFL/ESPN game, and the crybaby fans of the rest of the league think it'll somehow take the sting away from being second-tier if they stick their fingers in their ears and loudly shriek "cheaters."

And you know what, LET EM. Tom's going to serve two games of that suspension, tops, and come back with everything to prove in the world. Every team is going to throw their best shot at the Pats, which will only make them battle-hardened and hungry when playoff time comes around.

The Globe is right: this is purely and straightforwardly about envy, and it's a shining, glowing testament to what the Patriots organization has accomplished since 2001.

1 PSI doesn't bring you 12 division titles, 6 super bowl appearances, and 4 rings, and all these jerkoffs know it. It burns their ***es too much to admit the Patriots are the greatest dynasty in the history of football so they're going to latch onto deflategate and spygate to pretend that what happened in the NFL over the past two decades didn't happen and you know what: fu<k 'em. Kiss the rings and bow before greatness.
 
I don't buy the internet angle.

People just cannot believe, with how smart they are, that one team can be as good as the Pats for 14 years. Just cannot figure it. It's not coaching. It's not being prepared better. It's not situational football prep to the Nth degree. It's not a team total commitment issue. It's not making less mistakes than the other guy. It's not using less than star players in roles where they ARE a star. Its not the best QB maybe ever. It has to be cheating. Only way.

Awesome truth: ask 100 people if they are smarter than average and 80% will will say they are (and will say their kids are of course) yet that 100 people still fit a bell curve of intelligence like any population.
 
It's not just sports. Internet plus 500 cable channels so everyone under the sun has a voice certainly does not help one bit.

Also for Boston sports fans, this all coincided with a pretty unprecedented run of success. Being a Pats and Sox fan was like being a Cubs and Cardinals (football) fan.
 
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