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Goldberg's wording on the deflategate question could've been better.

I would have left it open like this: the use of the word deflator was part of a long running joke between the two men, and the word not only referred to their work tasks but also to body parts, etc. For instance, "deflate and give up that jacket..." etc.

Leave it at that. Don't go into a longwinded explanation about Weight Watchers.
 
I wish journalists and the media would do their damn job already. A simple google search would help to explain how a obscure" reference to weight loss is a lot more common than you think. I mean, for pete's sake, there's a website entirely devoted to couple's weight loss called, www.deflatethemate.com!

Here are just five examples of pre-Deflategate references to "deflation" and "weight loss"

Sep 15, 2010

http://www.escapefromobesity.net/2010/09/i-dont-like-my-melting-body.html

I Don't Like My Melting Body

When people lose a lot of weight, everyone gushes. Everyone admires and applauds and expects us to talk about how great we feel and how much happier we are. And that's reasonable. I mean, losing a lot of weight really does improve your quality of life in most cases. [........] But no one likes to hear the negative stuff. When you lose a lot of weight, you're not supposed to complain about it, or talk about the parts you don't like. It's almost like if you say something negative you are ungrateful for the chance you have to be thinner. Hey, I've felt that way before myself. When I weighed 250+ pounds and I'd see people blogging about how much they hated their hip fat at 175 pounds, I'd roll my eyes and think, "I would KILL to have your hip fat! Wanna trade?" But really, how we feel is how we feel. And *not liking* something about the process does not negate the huge relief, gratitude and happiness I have that I have lost this weight.

My body used to be way too large. I hated how I looked and felt. My knees were hurting ALL the time even up until about 10 pounds ago. When I weighed 278 pounds, my skin was tight. When I'd run my hands over my body it felt very curvy and soft yet firm. Every curve had density to it. I felt solid.

Now, my body is more than 90 pounds lighter. The flesh is deflated, and the curves, while still there, are no longer firm with tight skin. People talk about "loose skin" after weight loss, but I am finding it is more like the flesh that is there is really squishy and not at all firm. The skin IS different... not smooth on my thighs by any means. It's like you inflated a large balloon to capacity, left it that way for ten years, and then left half the air out. Can you picture the surface? Kind of wrinkly? Not "loose" but different. It still covers the air in the balloon, but it is not smooth and firm when you run your hands over it anymore.

I don't like my melting body. I don't like the skin being wrinkly in places and the deflated feeling of my fat. I don't like that I can poke with my finger and it goes in two inches because the fat is so loose and mushy. I don't like that when I put on my underwear, which fit perfectly and are not tight at all, they dent into my fat a good inch or more because that fat is so soft and squishy. I don't like that my upper arm fat sways in the breeze if I reach for something, or that I have a patch of wrinkly skin appearing under my jawline. I absolutely do not like the sensation that I am melting, with my flesh dripping down like wax off a hot candle. My body is not the right shape anymore. It feels like someone should take a spatula and scrape up the oozing frosting and get rid of the drips. I do not like it at all.

Oct 4, 2012

http://www.discovergoodnutrition.co...eflate-a-fat-belly-and-eliminate-indigestion/

Quick tips to deflate a fat belly and eliminate indigestion
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Ever had this happen to you? You finish eating a meal and all of a sudden – you can practically watch it happen – your belly seems to almost double in size. It’s not that you’ve eaten too much – it’s more like your belly has suddenly been pumped full of air, like a balloon. Your tummy presses against your belt or your waistband, and you grow more and more uncomfortable. Finally, you just have to give in – loosening your belt, unzipping your pants or rearranging the elastic on your underwear – since your increasingly fat-looking belly is becoming more uncomfortable by the minute.

Jun 28, 2013

http://www.fitnessmagazine.com/weight-loss/tips/advice/get-rid-of-belly-bloat/

8 Simple Ways to Get Rid of Belly Bloat

Surprising reasons your belly can balloon, and how to deflate it fast.

Banish the Bloat


Either your jeans shrank or your belly grew, and chances are it's the latter. You're exercising and eating right, so what's up with the bloating? Sometimes the culprit is obvious (hello, Aunt Flo and last night's burrito!), but other times your healthy habits are the cause. Read on for five surprising reasons your belly can balloon — plus advice on how to deflate it fast.

Sep 30, 2014

http://www.intelihealth.com/article/deflate-your-belly-bulge

Deflate Your Belly Bulge

Super-sizing, "cleaning" your kids' plates and sitting at a desk all add up to middle-age spread. Here's how to suck it up for good.

To some, it's a "skinner-tube." To others, a "muffin-top." It's the layer of stomach flab that hangs over pants. This abdominal fat poses serious health risks. Doctors have warned us about this for years, but Americans ignored the warnings. Part of the problem is that many obese people don't recognize they are obese.

Nov 3, 2014

Lose Weight Fast- Deflate the Inflating Weight
BY HEALTH RELATE · NOVEMBER 3, 2014

Scorch up the extra fats prevailing in your body which is leveraging you with a bad body posture. Here are ways to lose weight fast without starving yourself. Even blow away the need of having off shoot impact on your body. Does it sound great? I guess yes. All you need to follow the dynamic weight reducing strategies along with the waiving up for specific high calorie and fat containing foods.
 
After reading this I really hope Kraft bankrolls the lawsuits for Jastremski and McNally. These guys are likely completely innocent and Vincent's rulings makes it impossible to continue their current roles. Would they have a better chance of winning a defamation case because they aren't public figures?
 
Joe Banner ‏@JoeBanner13
Pats response tells us that the team is not going to pursue legal action. If they were they would not have wanted to lay out their arguemant
 
How sad, he is trying to reason with himself because he is so scared that the nfl and wells will be shredded in court.

"Well this must mean they aren't going to take action"

No you idiot breer this means Patriots counsel knows they have the nfl and wells nd are putting it out there that they do. How is the nfl or wells going to respond to most of that stuff just openly commit perjury?

yeah, it can't possibly have something to do with the Patriots trying to catch up to the media sh*tshow. Everyone in the media, everyone, has been going under the presumption that they did it, with their commentary flowing from there with regards to penalties, Brady's response, 'cover up' and not cooperating, etc. They all speak as though it's common knowledge the report proved the Patriots cheated and then their discussion starts.

This report debunks much of the Wells report, calls him out on his objectivity, calls him out on their uncooperative nature, calls him and Exponent out on the science and their conclusions. This will (hopefully) start to spin the narrative, from 'Pats cheated, now what?' to 'wait, did the Pats cheat?' and 'hold on, why did the NFL leak inaccurate numbers and never correct them?'

It's a start...and frankly if I'm Goodell or Wells I'd be mighty scared right now.
 
Yes, I winced at the explanation about the "Deflator" text message, even thinking at first that it did not best serve their ultimate objective. Ironically, given the added awareness we all now possess, it may very well reflect the truth. And whatever the Patriots put out into the media environment (at this stage of the game) has to be the truth, regardless of the reaction it might stimulate by media analysts and/or social media.

Bingo. I have no doubts at all that the whole weight loss angle is as true as it is incredibly stupid.

I can understand why people are mocking it but it is what it is. Chatham confirmed on twitter that there usually are weight loss competitions around summer. The additionally released text msgs make complete sense in that context. And most importantly there is a reason why Wells was very selectively using the messages and left those out.
 
this "explanation" for the deflator text is laughable


doing more harm than good.....everyone is mocking that silly rationale
 
I hate to say this, but from a public PR standpoint this was a swing and miss. If this is warning shot across the bow of Goodell that the Pats have the goods to go to court, they were more successful.

I don't think they care about pr at this point if they did Kraft would have accepted the punishment. This was a clear shot. Which I don't care if some former browns and eagles executive says about how it put all their cards on the table. They put all the cards on the table that the nfl and wells already knew about and still chose to ignore it to get the outcome they wanted.

Like Gardi How is the nfl going to get out of that one? or how Wells came out and said the NFL didn't take the colts accusations seriously yet the email was getting passed around the NFL and Blandino told Anderson to go through the proper protocols and then a week later lied about not having knowledge about the Patriots being accused of tampering with footballs
 
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Joe Banner ‏@JoeBanner13
Pats response tells us that the team is not going to pursue legal action. If they were they would not have wanted to lay out their arguemant

One more point on these tweets (and Breer's): the NFL and Wells already KNEW all this. We've all heard the past week about arguments made by the Pats legal team. About the weight loss angle. About Anderson's gauge. About the security guards almost never seeing McNally escorted to the field. Etc etc.

This doesn't reveal anything the NFL didn't already know, it just put it in one place for everyone (read: the media) to see and quote. We've been talking about all these points since we first read the report, now we're FINALLY seeing the media starting to (at least a little) talk about it as well.
 
Yeah, that's pretty much the consensus.

Maybe among the media. I think it was mostly a hit. You cant change the truth even if it sounds cringeworthy sometimes.
 
Joe Banner ‏@JoeBanner13
Pats response tells us that the team is not going to pursue legal action. If they were they would not have wanted to lay out their arguemant

What do you guys think about this statement?

At the beginning I thought this Pats report was something they released to create some shock waves and get public support but I'm afraid of something like that, they only wanting to clear the Pats name and this is it.
 
I don't think they care about pr at this point if they did Kraft would have accepted the punishment. This was a clear shot. Which I don't care some former browns and eagles executive says about how it put all their cards on the table. They put all the cards on the table that the nfl and wells already knew about and still chose to ignore it to get the outcome they wanted.

My only problem is the response to some of the text messages gives the Pats' haters ammo to ridicule and show proof they are lying out of their asses. The national message today will be joking about weight loss than looking at the meat of the response.
 
What do you guys think about this statement?

At the beginning I thought this Pats report was something they released to create some shock waves and get public support but I'm afraid of something like that, they only wanting to clear the Pats name and this is it.

I think Joe Banner is engaging in wishful thinking.
 
For all the "mediots" and naysayers out there....who have predicated their thinking on "gut feeling" or "smell test"....can anyone provide a response to the following simple question?

What would be the motivation, for anyone connected with the Patriots, to deflate the balls by such a small increment (0.1 to 0.3 psig) in order to make such a practice worthy of the inherent risk involved? If you really think you need to go below 12.5 psi to gain some sort of competitive advantage, is it reasonable to believe that such a small amount was determined to be such a difference-maker??

Note: notwithstanding the gage questions, I think all parties agree that...in the worst possible scenario...there's a 0.3 psig differential that can't be explained for one ball, the differential being less than that for the remaining 10 balls.
 
this "explanation" for the deflator text is laughable

and it was sent to the guy who was supposedly trying to bulk up


doing more harm than good.....everyone is mocking that silly rationale

Read it again, it's the other way around (Jastremski sent that jacket text).

And if that text is taken for what it is--which is completely out of the context of footballs and sounds likely to have to do with weight/size--then the other text makes more sense. FURTHER, if you then realize that both McNally and Jastremski said the deflation comment had to do with McNally trying to lose weight--in separate interviews--it starts becoming clearer.

The media and fans of 31 other teams won't think critically enough to piece it together, but it does make a lot of sense the way they laid it out.
 
this "explanation" for the deflator text is laughable


doing more harm than good.....everyone is mocking that silly rationale

The truth is a fickle beast.
 
Yeah, that's pretty much the consensus.
Only by those simple minded ones who are suffering major information overload and are unable to process what has happened. This was an opening smackdown.
 
Dorito Dink, love that.

Wells: "And that is definitive evidence that he does indeed have a 'dink' that is shaped like a Dorito. Whatever a 'dink' is." o_O

PS - Yes, I know what a dink is.
 
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now media jumping on fact that mackinnon founded company that received funding from Kraft's companies.
Not arguing against the facts in his piece, but trying to discredit him.
 
Whether they go to court or not all depends on Goodell's actions in the coming days/weeks/months.
Is he going to vacate the suspension and penalties then announce his resignation? If not, Patriots should go to the mat!
 
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