Patriots Legal Counsel Rebuttal of Wells Report

SVN said:

FWIW the general public at least on twitter seems to not buy the pats explanation of 'deflator' word for someone losing weight and seem to be mocking patriots explanation.

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I initially balked at it too. But as a "larger framed dude" myself, I find that I very rarely refer to myself as "FAT", and generally people are hesitant to call me FAT even if they want to insult me of make a dig at my weight. I generally do not refer to efforts to "not be fat" as going on a diet either (lots of negative connotations). While I would never use the term "deflate" to refer to any attempts to lose weight because it's not the world I live in, I can certainly understand two people who primarily interact over the preperation of footballs (inflating and deflating) might use those terms. I would likely use terms that are in my everyday life.

For me the "deflate, and get rid of the jacket" seals this as playful (but derogatory) interaction between the two. If he were to say "Hey fatty, get rid of the jacket" it would be an overtly mean thing to say, while saying "Deflate" instead lessens the sting (while still having the same message) and could easily be sold as "I was just teasing" if the person took offense. Likewise, referring to yourself as "deflator" wouldn't be totally out of the realm of possiblity in a text about weight loss, since the Patriots are already demonstrating a familiar usage in referrence to weight issues between these to.

Skinny people, or people that don't struggle with weight issues may have no ability to relate, but as a bigger dude myself (notice I didn't say fat), I totally understand and can appreciate people using euphmisms to discuss their weight or size.

robertweathers said:

Maybe I'm missing something but I saw the road to TB12's suspension being lifted as a hard one. He knew that which is why he and Dee Smith brought in Kessler.
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Brady's suspension being overturned is a hard one? Kessler was always going to be brought in whether it was 1 game or 16 games. Goodell's NFL has a ****ty record at making suspensions stick, so history laughs at the notion of it being hard to overturn Brady's suspension.

robertweathers said:

Maybe I'm missing something but I saw the road to TB12's suspension being lifted as a hard one. He knew that which is why he and Dee Smith brought in Kessler.

Goodell already put up the wall.

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No worries. We're not all going to see everything the same.

True test of independence.

The Colts admitted they violated rule 2 by gauging the Patriots football.
The only way you do not report that as a violation is if you preconceived the Patriots were guilty, so that justifies it.

Deus Irae said:

No offense, but you two don't get it. The ideal ending would have been Goodell reversing everything on appeal, not having to wait months and hope for a court victory.

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I think the patriots ideal ending now is goodell/kensil gone from the nfl.

One hopes there has been some kind of coordination between the NFLPA/Brady's lawyers and the NE lawyers over this thing so that it doesn't mess up Brady's appeal. It'll also be interesting to see how long NE's interests and Brady's interests stay convergent -- for example, if Brady's lawyers are planning to throw McNally under the bus as part of his defense ("in the alternative, if it happened, it was because they did it and I knew nothing").

turkeyneck said:

Florio should provide his phone texts relevent to child molestation. "But I don't have any." "Aha! Guilty!"

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exactly

Patriot_in_NY said:

I initially balked at it too. But as a "larger framed dude" myself, I find that I very rarely refer to myself as "FAT", and generally people are hesitant to call me FAT even if they want to insult me of make a dig at my weight. I generally do not refer to efforts to "not be fat" as going on a diet either (lots of negative connotations). While I would never use the term "deflate" to refer to any attempts to lose weight because it's not the world I live in, I can certainly understand two people who primarily interact over the preperation of footballs (inflating and deflating) might use those terms. I would likely use terms that are in my everyday life.

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I think it's possible. I found it more likely that he was calling himself that because he's constantly asking referees to keep the balls at 12.5 and taking all the air out to hand to them. I think they decided to go with that explanation because the real explanation, while totally innocent, would provide the prosecutors with too much ammo.

Albert Breer @AlbertBreer · 3m3 minutes ago
The Patriots accusing others of leaks in this rebuttal is rich though, considering we've heard much of what's in the rebuttal already.

Is this guy an actual idiot?

The rebuttal isn't saying that this is a definite explanation for the term deflator. It more points to they have used the term before in general banter. It was not a term used specifically as a nick name for a nafarius deed.

I wish Wells would just admit he's biased due to his financial conflict of interest. It's not a big deal, it's the coverup that's the issue. He needs to open up and put an end to this.

Consistent point throughout

There is evidence Mr Brady preferred the balls at 12.5 psi.
Wells used that as evidence he preferred them under 12.5 psi.

JackBauer said:

Albert Breer @AlbertBreer · 3m3 minutes ago
The Patriots accusing others of leaks in this rebuttal is rich though, considering we've heard much of what's in the rebuttal already.

Is this guy an actual idiot?

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I hadn't once heard a thing about the Jacksonville jags claiming to see colt ball boys with needles.

This is a tremendous point that's being over looked

I just read the whole rebutt, well done. Patriots just won again. The league owes Brady and the Pats an apology

JMC00 said:

Oh f*ck off Breer

@AlbertBreer
Patriots cite having run "far more offensive plays" than the Colts in the first half .... New England ran 41 plays, Indy ran 30.


TOP of possesion was

17:40 Pats to 12:20 Colts

5 minutes and 20 seconds it pretty significant you idiot

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And he conveniently leaves off that the Pats had the ball for the last almost 5 minutes of the half (while the Colts' balls were drying in garbage bags (which is actually a good place to put anything involving the Colts, i guess) other than the last few seconds where Luck took a knee.

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ChoWZa said:

I think it's possible. I found it more likely that he was calling himself that because he's constantly asking referees to keep the balls at 12.5 and taking all the air out to hand to them. I think they decided to go with that explanation because the real explanation, while totally innocent, would provide the prosecutors with too much ammo.

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Well, that may be.... but don't forget that his reference to this occurs in May 14, when the only demonstratable evidence that Brady took and interest in the psi (with the overinflated balls of the JETS game) was in October which was when they provided a copy of the "regulation" for him to make sure the refs didn't blow the ball up.

Look, I'm not saying that my explanation is absolute, but I am saying that my explaination is just as probable as the explaination (which is now take for gosphel).

Holy ****. Haven't finished reading this yet, but so far the Wells report is being absolutely eviscerated.

SaCaCh said:

The rebuttal isn't saying that that is a definite explanation for the term deflator. It more points to they have used the term before in general banter. It was not a term used specifically as a nick name for a nafarius deed.

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Actually it is the explanation of the 2 people who used the nickname of what it means.
Wells, with no testimony or factual evidence to support it, creates his own meaning and calls it fact.
I say X, and no one has testimony otherwise, you cannot say it is likely that Y exists because you created a Y

When will Wells have another conference call? Would LOVE to hear that one.