Patriots Legal Counsel Rebuttal of Wells Report

SVN said:

When has anyone looked at everyting objectively. They are going to only concerntrate on what the pats said which they can deride and mock.
I feel this report is good for pats fans but not going to help public perception. They have to now feed this narattive with more questions. Fight it out in the court and appeal and the maybe release what happened. A lot of us pats fans are reading this and loving it as expected but dont think its helping our case one bit right now in terms of the appeal or public perception and thats what matters.

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I am not sure if it help our hurt granted I would think that this side of the case has pretty good attorneys advising them. I know many here are glad its out.

I was more focusing on the deflator comment and it context. Yeah, its lame but unfortunately for all the lemmings out there, its reasonable.

Kdo5 said:

But it doesn't help. They should've known that the text explanation would be the big story and they dropped the ball. I think there is a very good chance that is indeed the context of the texts. But most will laugh at the explanation and use it to deride the rest of the counter argument, which is pretty damn convincing.

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You're giving the public waaaaaaay too much credit. I seriously doubt more than a handful of the people shooting their mouths off even read the Wells report. People will take the Wells report, and the rebuttal, in accordance with whatever bias they had going into this (and sadly, I include Goodell in that crowd).

JMC00 said:

Oh f*ck off Breer

@AlbertBreer
Patriots cite having run "far more offensive plays" than the Colts in the first half .... New England ran 41 plays, Indy ran 30.


TOP of possesion was

17:40 Pats to 12:20 Colts

5 minutes and 20 seconds it pretty significant you idiot

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As is 37% more plays

patman12 said:

In the hopes of turning the tide against Roger and lead to his ouster?

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I am done hoping for that, and hoping to change the haters' minds. There is no hope of doing that. I just want them to prove the NFL WRONG.

robertweathers said:

...which is why this response is perfect.

His convictions and true beliefs are what continue to cloud his ability to rationalize, reason, execute on basic common sense and see the big picture. Let him get emotional. It certainly won't bring him a greater sense of clarity and better judgement. It'll bring an enhanced version of his true self with faults that glow brighter for everyone to see.

Plus hes screwing with the Patriots brand and that it bad for business. The NFL is labeling his franchise as cheaters and new (and current) markets don't like cheaters.

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No offense, but you two don't get it. The ideal ending would have been Goodell reversing everything on appeal, not having to wait months and hope for a court victory. Yes, such an occurrence was incredibly unlikely, but it's now a 0% chance.

YOUGOTMOSSED said:

You're giving the public waaaaaaay too much credit. I seriously doubt more than a handful of the people shooting their mouths off even read the Wells report. People with take the Wells report and the rebuttal in accordance with whatever bias they had going into this (and sadly, I include Goodell in that crowd).

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I would never give the public credit. I think a large number of Americans are too lazy, stupid, or willfully ignorant to look past the text. Just that if it was intended for the public I don't see the success in it.

JMC00 said:

Oh f*ck off Breer

@AlbertBreer
Patriots cite having run "far more offensive plays" than the Colts in the first half .... New England ran 41 plays, Indy ran 30.


TOP of possesion was

17:40 Pats to 12:20 Colts

5 minutes and 20 seconds it pretty significant you idiot

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The wet balls vs dry balls argument has more cred than time in play. Rebuttal states Pats balls exposed, Colts balls in plastic bag. Laws of thermodynamics in action

Kdo5 said:

I know but if it won't sway the stupid public, this might as well have been saved for the appeals.

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Nothing will sway them. Its time to give up on that and be our own team.

I am guessing that Yee, Kessler, whatever other (rather expensive and excellent) attorney involved gave their blessing to the Patriots to do this. Unless Kraft isnt listening to them.

Yes, by the book, it looks odd to show your hand before you even enter suit much less get to deliberation but there must be some strategy at play.

What I like about all this is the trashing of the "evidence" in the wells report and only grazing on the sting operation. They just stated the obvious flaws in the report.

They are holding face cards still for the eventual law suits, where they will dig into the NFL slime that is the front office and the agenda that was clearly bias against the patriots

patman12 said:

In the hopes of turning the tide against Roger and lead to his ouster?

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Step 1:

Clear self, or at least show serious issues at all levels of investigation

Step 2:

Show problems in front offices


Hopeful result: action by owners to fix front offices

Bruins29 said:

I am not sure if it help our hurt granted I would think that this side of the case has pretty good attorneys advising them. I know many here are glad its out.

I was more focusing on the deflator comment and it context. Yeah, its lame but unfortunately for all the lemmings out there, its reasonable.

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Did you read it?
It tears apart the entire fabric of the Wells report and indicates numerous examples of their one-sided, guilty until proven innocent approach.

sphen22 said:

What I like about all this is the trashing of the "evidence" in the wells report and only grazing on the sting operation. They just stated the obvious flaws in the report.

They are holding face cards still for the eventual law suits, where they will dig into the NFL slime that is the front office and the agenda that was clearly bias against the patriots

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Probably. I think the Blandino lies and the Mort report are far more damaging to the league than what some independent idiot thinks happened.

Long read. Agreed, the report does not clearly establish a rule was broken. Asking for text messages was just a witch hunt. If you take any professional sport organization's text message and went through them with a fine tooth comb you'd find a story like this each and every time.

Bruins29 said:

Yes, by the book, it looks odd to show your hand before you even enter suit much less get to deliberation but there must be some strategy at play.

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In all likelihood, given the response on the science, believable evidence to support the "Deflator" and "ESPN" tweets would already be on hand or easily available. If they've got that, this is already all over but the shouting, in terms of Brady. If they don't have that, someone already needs to be fired.

Here is a big one from Mark Daniels:

Patriots emailed Wells that Colts ball boys "had been seen by Jacksonville personnel with ball needles hidden under their long sleeves."

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I am only 2/3 of the way through it but its convincing to me. Look, I know the deflator thing is lame but not NEARLY as lame as using that one text as the basis of this entire punishment (which face it, it is). This is a long, detailed rebuttal. Reading it is giving me a headache. I HIGHLY DOUBT even 5% of the public or drooling media idiot will do anything more than look to twitter for the prejudged cliff's notes.

God, society is so stupid. When did it start getting this bad? MTV?

Mark Daniels @MarkDanielsPJ

Patriots emailed Wells that Colts ball boys "had been seen by Jacksonville personnel with ball needles hidden under their long sleeves."

SVN said:

Does sound goofy but as @Deus Irae points out , if you connect the dots with the november 30 text it makes sense..
""Give somebody that jacket" makes no sense in a PSI scheme. It makes sense if a guy is dropping weight"

I hope the pats report mentions this context.

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it's in there, quoted page from Wells report with the line.

Nice how the Nobel louriate scientific rebuttal claiming Exponent's finding is incorrect has been ignored. Also, no letter from the Princeton scientist noted in Wells report, and no copies of Exponent's many drafts are supplied.

The science will exonerate, the communications and behavior will sink goodell and Wells in court. The supplied letters including falsehoods about measured psi is another black eye the media is ignoring, as well as the true measurements being supplied to the Pats, under agreement they are not to disclose them (while falsehoods continue to float about in the media).

I would love to see kraft rip the media in the coming days if all they get out of this is "deflator is cause he's losing weight! Lol, cheatriots!"

A perfect example of bias is the part about McNally and possession of the balls pregame.
Wells said that McNally took the balls without permission or knowledge of anyone and left the refs room.
In reality, McNally, with permission, took them to the sitting room, then when someone said 'Lets go' carried the balls past half of the NFL staff (including the guy told to watch for deflation) out to the field.

Wells framed it as a suspicious, stealth, ninja like deception, while the facts are it was done in the wide open, and only because the start of the game was delayed and the room was croweded.

The Wells report is a perfect example of what happens when you have a trial but defenders are not allowed to defend. Prosecutors will do whatever it takes to win unless you find a prosecutor who is a good human being (good luck with that).