The actual, irrefutable evidence in Deflategate

BobDigital · May 13, 2015

Here in my mind are the key pieces of evidence.

#1 McNally saying he would go to ESPN... Maybe.. This strikes me as he knew something illegal was going on and was teasing them about it. Not solid evidence but suspicious.

#2 Brady lying. Brady lied multiple times. It could just be he was nervous but that is suspicious.

Those are the only things that really raised my eyebrows.

Ross12 · May 13, 2015

BobDigital said:
Here in my mind are the key pieces of evidence.

#1 McNally saying he would go to ESPN... Maybe.. This strikes me as he knew something illegal was going on and was teasing them about it. Not solid evidence but suspicious.

#2 Brady lying. Brady lied multiple times. It could just be he was nervous but that is suspicious.

Those are the only things that really raised my eyebrows.

But really, what did Brady lie about? Any claims of him lying are easily refutable. People say he lied about not knowing McNally, but you can't show me any evidence he did know McNally. IMO the messages show a chain of command of Brady->Jastremski->McNally. In my line of work, I don't talk to my own supervisor very often, and I'm certain my supervisor's supervisor barely knows I exist.

PugBrady · May 13, 2015

On the topic of someone not reading reports, Troy Vincent has a history of that. Wonder if Troy Vincent actually read the report? Based on the "precedent" of the Mueller report, it may be more probable than not that Troy Vincent never read the Wells full report either.

The NFL was accused of dragging its feet in its investigation and discipline of Rice when the world saw him violently punching his girlfriend. The harshest criticism came from an independent report from former FBI Director Robert Mueller revealing that the NFL’s own investigator did little more than read newspaper accounts of the Rice affair. Asked about Mueller’s report, Vincent says he did not read it.

Asked why he didn’t read the report, Vincent replies, “The crime had already been committed…We acknowledge we made a mistake. We didn’t apply the proper discipline.” Pressed by Keteyian that it was more than inadequately disciplining Rice that the report exposed, but the league’s incompetence, Vincent says, “We failed. From that exercise, and that horrific situation, we got better. Our processes are better. We have now experts who—true experts and investigators working alongside our staff…We can’t go back in time.”

http://newpittsburghcourieronline.c...-says-hes-never-seen-a-worse-year-for-league/

QuantumMechanic · May 13, 2015

AndyJohnson said:
Do you know that?
Who gauges the balls before giving them to the refs?

FWIW the Report states that McNally's gameday duties do not include changing the pressures of footballs. I imagine the NFL has an actual job description for Officials' Lockerroom Attendant.

BobDigital · May 13, 2015

Ross12 said:
But really, what did Brady lie about? Any claims of him lying are easily refutable. People say he lied about not knowing McNally, but you can't show me any evidence he did know McNally. IMO the messages show a chain of command of Brady->Jastremski->McNally. In my line of work, I don't talk to my own supervisor very often, and I'm certain my supervisor's supervisor barely knows I exist.

I would need to read the report but I do think he knew who McNally was. In his press conference he claimed ignorance of league PSI rules when he knew them. Some of what he said particularly at his initial press conference looking back can be shown to be false/incomplete/noncommital.

Like I said this is not proof and could just be nerves but it is suspicious. Would I have found "more probable than not"? Nope. But it does raise eyebrows.

QuantumMechanic · May 13, 2015

BobDigital said:
Here in my mind are the key pieces of evidence.

#1 McNally saying he would go to ESPN... Maybe.. This strikes me as he knew something illegal was going on and was teasing them about it. Not solid evidence but suspicious.

#2 Brady lying. Brady lied multiple times. It could just be he was nervous but that is suspicious.

Those are the only things that really raised my eyebrows.

The other thing that raises my eyebrows is the one where McNally (paraphrased) says "If I don't get my swag, Brady's passer rating is the only thing that will be deflating Sunday".

Even if (as I suspect) he's joking about doing something different than his usual routine if he doesn't get swag, that text still, in its most natural reading, implies that normally he deflates other things (since he's joking he won't be deflating them if he doesn't get his swag).

Froob · May 13, 2015

Marko said:
Yes, there are a number of texts that refute any wrongdoing but Wells and the universe choose to only accept the incriminating ones. JJ texts balls were at 16 the next day. JJ texts balls should have been at 13. JJ texts Brady said bring the rule book to show refs the range. To me this points to incompetence on the refs parts of even malicious intent.

Any idea what page those are on?

DaBruinz · May 13, 2015

BobDigital said:
I would need to read the report but I do think he knew who McNally was. In his press conference he claimed ignorance of league PSI rules when he knew them. Some of what he said particularly at his initial press conference looking back can be shown to be false.

Like I said this is not proof and could just be nerves but it is suspicious. Would I have found "more probable than not"? Nope. But it does raise eyebrows.

As Bruschi pointed out, Bruschi didn't know who McNally was until he saw a picture and said "Oh, BIRD". So, the idea that Brady lied about that doesn't hold up.

Could you provide a link to said press conference??

Ross12 · May 13, 2015

BobDigital said:
I would need to read the report but I do think he knew who McNally was. In his press conference he claimed ignorance of league PSI rules when he knew them. Some of what he said particularly at his initial press conference looking back can be shown to be false.

Like I said this is not proof and could just be nerves but it is suspicious. Would I have found "more probable than not"? Nope. But it does raise eyebrows.

I suppose that's true, but it appears to be more inconsistencies on minutiae and not a big bold-faced "lie", you know? Compare it to Dean Blandino saying he knew nothing about the allegations until the game happened, yet the report specifically states he was instructing refs about the allegations days before the game had been played. THAT'S a lie in my book...

Froob · May 13, 2015

BobDigital said:
Here in my mind are the key pieces of evidence.

#1 McNally saying he would go to ESPN... Maybe.. This strikes me as he knew something illegal was going on and was teasing them about it. Not solid evidence but suspicious.

#2 Brady lying. Brady lied multiple times. It could just be he was nervous but that is suspicious.

Those are the only things that really raised my eyebrows.

What did Brady lie about?

Ring 6 · May 13, 2015

BobDigital said:
I would need to read the report but I do think he knew who McNally was. In his press conference he claimed ignorance of league PSI rules when he knew them. Some of what he said particularly at his initial press conference looking back can be shown to be false.

Like I said this is not proof and could just be nerves but it is suspicious. Would I have found "more probable than not"? Nope. But it does raise eyebrows.

Can you show the Brady comment that he didn't know the psi rules?

Brady didn't say he doesn't know who McNally is, he said he didn't recognize him by name, as did Tedy Bruschi.

BobDigital · May 13, 2015

This goes on for 30 minutes and a lot of "I don't know" is thrown around in is. Like I said it does not really prove anything... just would have been better if he was 100% honest.

Also the "I don't believe so" looks bad but I think that is just his personality more than anything.

upstater1 · May 13, 2015

BobDigital said:
This goes on for 30 minutes and a lot of "I don't know" is thrown around in is. Like I said it does not really prove anything... just would have been better if he was 100% honest.

Also the "I don't believe so" looks bad but I think that is just his personality more than anything.

How wasn't he honest?

BobDigital · May 13, 2015

AndyJohnson said:
Can you show the Brady comment that he didn't know the psi rules?

Brady didn't say he doesn't know who McNally is, he said he didn't recognize him by name, as did Tedy Bruschi.

Sure give me a sec.. I need to find it in the video.

Ring 6 · May 13, 2015

QuantumMechanic said:
FWIW the Report states that McNally's gameday duties do not include changing the pressures of footballs. I imagine the NFL has an actual job description for Officials' Lockerroom Attendant.

Actually it says this:

McNally explained that he obtains the air pump and pressure gauge from the equipment room after Jastremski has finished inflating and adjusting the pressure in the Patriots game balls.

So its not a large stretch to say that he and Jastremski adjust the pressure together.
From the texts, it would seem a very logical assumption actually.

Ring 6 · May 13, 2015

BobDigital said:
This goes on for 30 minutes and a lot of "I don't know" is thrown around in is. Like I said it does not really prove anything... just would have been better if he was 100% honest.

Also the "I don't believe so" looks bad but I think that is just his personality more than anything.

Is there a transcript? Don't have audio on this computer.
Is there a specific point where he says he doesn't know anything about psi rules, as you claimed?

letekro · May 13, 2015

The report can be torn to shreds and the suspension will almost certainly be reduced if not overturned, but the failure to allow Wells to interview McNally with the texts or Brady with Brady's texts led to the severe team punishments, which bother me more than Brady's suspension. If the Patriots had nothing to hide, it was a boneheaded move. Personally, I think the Patriots had something to hide--the only question is whether that something was that they hand the balls to the officials under 12.5 (minor, minor violation, if a violation at all) or whether they deflate the balls after the officials have approved them (also a minor violation, but one that has more of a "cheating" vibe).

BobDigital · May 13, 2015

BobDigital said:
Sure give me a sec.. I need to find it in the video.

Mmmm can't find it in that video.. Maybe he said it somewhere else or many I misremembered it. Either way never mind on that particular point about the not knowing PSI.

Ring 6 · May 13, 2015

letekro said:
The report can be torn to shreds and the suspension will almost certainly be reduced if not overturned, but the failure to allow Wells to interview McNally with the texts or Brady with Brady's texts led to the severe team punishments, which bother me more than Brady's suspension. If the Patriots had nothing to hide, it was a boneheaded move. Personally, I think the Patriots had something to hide--the only question is whether that something was that they hand the balls to the officials under 12.5 (minor, minor violation, if a violation at all) or whether they deflate the balls after the officials have approved them (also a minor violation, but one that has more of a "cheating" vibe).

The science says the balls were not deflated.

Palm Beach Pats Fan · May 13, 2015

Gee... measuring the pressure of a bunch of footballs is a stupid way of determining the pressure of a bunch of footballs.

Looking through the text messages that some suddenly dead-serious jokesters wrote months ago is so much more important.

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