Appeal

Ok, I admit I'm pretty stupid in this area, LOL, Can someone explain to me how this process works? And does he go back in front of Troy Vincent or Roger Goddell for appeal?
And how long does the appeal process usually take before we have a official decision?

I made the mistake of turning on the today show this morning, after Bob Costas told them they didn't need to do it to win Matt Lauer says let me put this image on the screen....a picture of the back of brady in uniform with a asterisk next to his number. He said it was going around the internet, but of course they chose a negative one instead of also showing ones in support of Brady. I hope when Brady plays against the Colts on their stupid network, I hope the Pats drop 60 on them.
I don't know why it shocks me but it still does that all these networks just put negative stuff out there and leave out the ones of support. Guess i need to go back to watching any type of news network for the next month at least. LOL

Brady has three days to appeal. Upon request, the appeal will be made by the National Football
League Players Association. Roger Goodell can hear the appeal himself or can appoint a neutral
arbitrator. The decision normally comes down in a few days.
This year, don't expect an early resolution. There is extreme bitterness between owner, Bob Kraft,
and NFL commissioner, Roger Goodell, over the severity of the punishment. The punishment
was based on the Wells Report which skewed the data to try and prove guilt. Kraft may have to
go to Federal Court and force Goodell to appoint a neutral arbitrator acceptable to both parties
in the dispute.

Thank you

Jimke said:

Brady has three days to appeal. Upon request, the appeal will be made by the National Football
League Players Association. Roger Goodell can hear the appeal himself or can appoint a neutral
arbitrator. The decision normally comes down in a few days.
This year, don't expect an early resolution. There is extreme bitterness between owner, Bob Kraft,
and NFL commissioner, Roger Goodell, over the severity of the punishment. The punishment was based on the Wells Report which skewed the data to try and prove guilt. Kraft may have to go to Federal Court and force Goodell to appoint a neutral arbitrator acceptable to both parties in the dispute.

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What was that again?!?

"We do not believe that the evidence establishes that any other Patriots personnel participated in or had knowledge of the violation of the Playing Rules or the deliberate effort to circumvent the rules described in this Report. In particular, we do not believe there was any wrongdoing or knowledge of wrongdoing by Patriots ownership, Patriots Head Coach Bill Belichick or any other Patriots coach in the matters investigated."

Jimke said:

Brady has three days to appeal. Upon request, the appeal will be made by the National Football
League Players Association. Roger Goodell can hear the appeal himself or can appoint a neutral
arbitrator. The decision normally comes down in a few days.
This year, don't expect an early resolution. There is extreme bitterness between owner, Bob Kraft,
and NFL commissioner, Roger Goodell, over the severity of the punishment. The punishment
was based on the Wells Report which skewed the data to try and prove guilt. Kraft may have to
go to Federal Court and force Goodell to appoint a neutral arbitrator acceptable to both parties
in the dispute.

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I don't think Kraft is the one to go to court for a neutral arbitrator. I think that has to be the NFLPA. Kraft could go rogue, like Al Davis did and take on the entire league because he disagrees with the million dollars and draft choices. Brady goes through the NFLPA and after the appeal he alone can take on the league about himself at his personal expense.

I don't think either Kraft or Brady go to court. I think try the appeal will lower the Brady's 4 to 2 and Brady announces he is taking the 2 for the betterment of the team and league but says he is not guilty.

From
http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2...-suspension/UuZpT07iBcoyg9gofQwY1O/story.html

Basically:

Under NFL rules, Brady is allowed to participate in the team’s offseason program, training camp, and preseason games. But once the regular season starts, Brady will not be able to play or be at the Patriots’ Gillette Stadium facility until Oct. 12, the Monday after the team’s fourth game.

Under Article 46 of the 2011 Collective Bargaining Agreement, Brady has three business days to officially file his appeal, and the appeal hearing is supposed to begin within 10 days of the league’s receipt of his appeal.

Brady’s appeal will be heard by either commissioner Roger Goodell or an officer of Goodell’s choosing. Representatives of the NFL as well as the NFL Players’ Association have the right to attend all hearings, and Brady can also have his own counsel present.

The appeal can take place either at NFL offices in New York City or via telephone or video conference.

Once Goodell or his hand-picked officer decides on the appeal, the ruling is final.


BUT the appeal process does not really end there, Brady's team can still appeal all the way to a federal court which is more impartial.

Jimke said:

Brady has three days to appeal. Upon request, the appeal will be made by the National Football
League Players Association. Roger Goodell can hear the appeal himself or can appoint a neutral
arbitrator. The decision normally comes down in a few days.
This year, don't expect an early resolution. There is extreme bitterness between owner, Bob Kraft,
and NFL commissioner, Roger Goodell, over the severity of the punishment. The punishment
was based on the Wells Report which skewed the data to try and prove guilt. Kraft may have to
go to Federal Court and force Goodell to appoint a neutral arbitrator acceptable to both parties
in the dispute.

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BRADY'S APPEAL

This is Brady's appeal process. I suspect that the result will end up being a 2 game suspension. There is lots of history of suspensions being reduced, but not overturned.

If there is even a chance that Brady's more full cooperation would have helped, he will be punished. For example, did Brady tell the commission what was on the texts? Did he provide a transcript of those emails? Did he tell the commission what was discussed in the 5 conversation with McNally in the days after the investigation started, compared to no calls for 6 months? There may be more questions that were or were not answered. To an outsider, it might seem that Brady could have cooperated more, even without giving them his phone.

In the end, as almost everyone has said, this has little to do with the pressure of footballs. The league was investigating. They chose the patriots to dump on; that fact is for Kraft to appeal/contest or not. Brady is being punished for not fully cooperating. The league had only circumstantial evidence. Their position seems to be that Brady could have helped them a more in finding out the truth of the matter, as Belichick did. Brady chose not to provide texts of emails that might have helped, or not. Perhaps there were more questions that Brady didn't answer fully. Perhaps, Brady will release the information to a federal court appointed arbitrator. If he does, the question will be why he waited.

In any case, the question is whether Brady fully cooperated. That is language of the CBA. For the public, the question is why Brady didn't provide the help if he had nothing to hide, after both Kraft and Belichick promised full cooperation.

KRAFT'S APPEAL
Kraft can also go to an arbitrator in the same way as Brady. IMHO, this is much less likely to succeed.

Kraft would have to prove that nothing irregular happened by any patriot employee. With regard to severity, this is more than Spygate, a 4th rounder plus $500K more. If anyone on the team is guilty of anything, I can't see an arbitrator saying that the punishment is too severe (Kraft's position). The question for the arbitrator is whether they have enough to overturn the finding. This is always a high bar.

One way to avoid the whole appeal process. On May 18-20 at the next owner's meeting, Bob Kraft can try to get 24 other owners to vote on his side and replace Goodell and his minions. This may be a pipe dream, given how most other owners feel about the Patriots vs how they feel about their wallets. But I'm sure the NFLPA would be dancing in the streets.

An appeal is just part of the process.

What this really needs is a $100million dollar lawsuit by Brady

Brewskies said:

I don't think Kraft is the one to go to court for a neutral arbitrator. I think that has to be the NFLPA. Kraft could go rogue, like Al Davis did and take on the entire league because he disagrees with the million dollars and draft choices. Brady goes through the NFLPA and after the appeal he alone can take on the league about himself at his personal expense.

I don't think either Kraft or Brady go to court. I think try the appeal will lower the Brady's 4 to 2 and Brady announces he is taking the 2 for the betterment of the team and league but says he is not guilty.

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Why in the world would Brady accept that? I say all or nothing I don't see the benefit in fighting just to get 2 games back. His image takes the same hit either way and all he gets is 2 games back Doesn't seem like something I'ld agree too. If you want to prove your innocent you can't agree to that. Either you should of caved in January or you fight to the ends of earth.

signbabybrady said:

Why in the world would Brady accept that? I say all or nothing I don't see the benefit in fighting just to get 2 games back. His image takes the same hit either way and all he gets is 2 games back Doesn't seem like something I'ld agree too. If you want to prove your innocent you can't agree to that. Either you should of caved in January or you fight to the ends of earth.

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It's not going to work that way. Do you want him to retire on principal?

This can be merged with the thread that I started a couple of days ago--or you can simply merge mine inside of this one since it seems to have been buried. Thanks.

Brewskies said:

It's not going to work that way. Do you want him to retire on principal?

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I think he would retire before giving in to RG.

I don't know much about such things. But it does occur to me that if Brady was to appeal, then he would have to testify perhaps more elaborately then thus far, and possibly turn over E-mail and phone records.
Even if he is truly innocent, an appeal could just make things worse..

I thought that Brady would just let this go and try to put it behind him. But now he has lawyered up, so maybe I am wrong?

If the appeal is still on going at the start of the season, can Brady still play or does he have to wait? Thanks

I suspect Kraft is going to wait before further action to see if Goodell appoints a neutral arbitrator. If he doesn't I think the gloves will come off for Kraft. I think the inaction from Kraft right now is well understood by Goodell in the appeal process, and now Kraft's malcontent statement seems more calculated and deliberate to me.

If Kraft takes the gloves off now Goodell will have nothing left to fear and will handle Brady's appeal himself. It seems like a chess match.

Brewskies said:

It's not going to work that way. Do you want him to retire on principal?

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That's not what I meant by all.

"All" would be every appeal options are heard and somehow everything is upheld. So be it if that somehow happens and he passed on chance to cut in half.

I'ld rather he goes through every option than pull a Kramer and jump at the first deal offered.

Vindication is what we're after not reduced sentence. And at this point screw public perception its about a judge ruling in favor of TB not what the mob thinks.

Didn't this type of thing happen with Vilma taking it to a higher court?

signbabybrady said:

That's not what I meant by all.

"All" would be every appeal options are heard and somehow everything is upheld. So be it if that somehow happens and he passed on chance to cut in half.

I'ld rather he goes through every option than pull a Kramer and jump at the first deal offered.

Vindication is what we're after not reduced sentence. And at this point screw public perception its about a judge ruling in favor of TB not what the mob thinks.

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He takes any suspension and he might as well say I am guilty