A few unmentioned Wells report tidbits

upstater1 · May 12, 2015

So I read the report last night, and I'll add three more things that I haven't seen mentioned.

1. The first two times that mention was made of the measurements taken on the intercepted ball, the Wells people buried the true measurements on it. The first mention was of a ball boy who took the measurement and found that it was at 11. The next time it was mentioned, the NFL measured it three times and found that it was under 12 PSI (no numbers given). Buried way way toward the end of the report, the numbers were finally given. 11.75, 11.45, 11.4 . Why was this info buried? Well, if the ball that kicked it all off was not out of range, then why did they persist? And, why are there three different numbers if the measurements are being taken with one gauge? The Wells people went out of their way to statistically measure anomalies between balls, and here we have one gauge, with one ball, and three different readings.

No wonder Wells tried to bury this info.

2. The NFL got bad numbers on the first night. Report of balls in the 10s were unfounded. Mistranscribed, the report says? Apparently, the Patriots received a letter from the NFL claiming the balls were much lower than the readings in the report. An error the report says. Oh, really?

3. If you connect the dots, you know the Baltimore Ravens figure into this. They were interviewed for the process. And, who is it that started a rumor that the Patriots deflated balls? Harbaugh did. But he said they did it to kicking balls. He was unaware that the refs handled those. This is why the Colts couldn't find or cite any hint or evidence or rumors that the Patriots were deflating balls. The info came from Harbaugh that week. The Colts also claimed the Patriots deflated balls at Indy. The spectral projection of Jim McNally did it. Apparently.

The Gr8est · May 12, 2015

upstater1 said:
So I read the report last night, and I'll add three more things that I haven't seen mentioned.

1. The first two times that mention was made of the measurements taken on the intercepted ball, the Wells people buried the true measurements on it. The first mention was of a ball boy who took the measurement and found that it was at 11. The next time it was mentioned, the NFL measured it three times and found that it was under 12 PSI (no numbers given). Buried way way toward the end of the report, the numbers were finally given. 11.75, 11.45, 11.4 . Why was this info buried? Well, if the ball that kicked it all off was not out of range, then why did they persist? And, why are there three different numbers if the measurements are being taken with one gauge? The Wells people went out of their way to statistically measure anomalies between balls, and here we have one gauge, with one ball, and three different readings.

No wonder Wells tried to bury this info.

2. The NFL got bad numbers on the first night. Report of balls in the 10s were unfounded. Mistranscribed, the report says? Apparently, the Patriots received a letter from the NFL claiming the balls were much lower than the readings in the report. An error the report says. Oh, really?

3. If you connect the dots, you know the Baltimore Ravens figure into this. They were interviewed for the process. And, who is it that started a rumor that the Patriots deflated balls? Harbaugh did. But he said they did it to kicking balls. He was unaware that the refs handled those. This is why the Colts couldn't find or cite any hint or evidence or rumors that the Patriots were deflating balls. The info came from Harbaugh that week. The Colts also claimed the Patriots deflated balls at Indy. The spectral projection of Jim McNally did it. Apparently.

Maybe another discrepancy, does the report say who measured the intercepted ball? Only referees are allowed to.

Haley · May 12, 2015

What people keep forgetting is that each time you measure the PSI of a ball, you lower its PSI as a direct result of sticking a needle into the ball. I'm sure Wells knew this and therefore, re-measured the balls until he got the readings he wanted.

upstater1 · May 12, 2015

The Gr8est said:
Maybe another discrepancy, does the report say who measured the intercepted ball? Only referees are allowed to.

The Colts, then the NFL. Refs were doing the game. Colts ball boy did the first one, and laughably he got an 11. Then the NFL did it and got the three readings.

upstater1 · May 12, 2015

Haley said:
What people keep forgetting is that each time you measure the PSI of a ball, you lower its PSI as a direct result of sticking a needle into the ball. I'm sure Wells knew this and therefore, re-measured the balls until he got the readings he wanted.

The Exponent outfit did experiments with the gauges and they found that almost no air escapes when you check a ball's PSI. Something like .001 escapes when using these gauges. It's the gauges themselves that are giving wildly different readings.

The Gr8est · May 12, 2015

upstater1 said:
The Colts, then the NFL. Refs were doing the game. Colts ball boy did the first one, and laughably he got an 11. Then the NFL did it and got the three readings.

I'm guessing NFL=Kensil, another person with no authority to measure the ball, all he had was an agenda.

Haley · May 12, 2015

upstater1 said:
The Exponent outfit did experiments with the gauges and they found that almost no air escapes when you check a ball's PSI. Something like .001 escapes when using these gauges. It's the gauges themselves that are giving wildly different readings.

Yeah, I certainly believe them. I'm sure those experiments weren't biased at all. (do I really need a /s here?)

Bobsyouruncle · May 12, 2015

All the evidence is in the unseen. The proof is in the calls they didn't hear, texts they didn't get, and 90 seconds of video they didn't see. In NFL logic the case would be even stronger with measurements not taken. Which is why they buried them in footnotes.

Dougkdp · May 12, 2015

I had brought this up previously and continue to harp on the fact we have 4 gauges (possibly 5) involved. No way the pats and colts gauge used to set the initial pressure matches the refs at 12.5/13.0. The investigation never compared the colts and pats gauge readings to the refs. Without this, every analysis is irrelevant. I don't believe the initial pressures were as advertised, can easily be debunked. Hopefully Don Yee realizes this, but based on his statement I have questions.

Marko · May 12, 2015

The joke of the whole matter is the balls show fairly conclusively that they weren't tampered with! The investigation is basing everything of off texts, like going after someone for murder even though the victim is still alive and never been touched, merely because the accused calls himself killer in a text.

Armchair Quarterback · May 12, 2015

upstater1 said:
The Colts, then the NFL. Refs were doing the game. Colts ball boy did the first one, and laughably he got an 11. Then the NFL did it and got the three readings.

Which to me should be grounds to throw this whole thing out. The colts easily could have manipulated it, especially considering there was clearly a setup happening. Who's to say they didn't let the air out. Can't wait for Brady's team to shred this bogus report

upstater1 · May 12, 2015

Armchair Quarterback said:
Which to me should be grounds to throw this whole thing out. The colts easily could have manipulated it, especially considering there was clearly a setup happening. Who's to say they didn't let the air out. Can't wait for Brady's team to shred this bogus report

They didn't include the intercepted ball in the analysis. I was just pointing out that one gauge can come up with wildly different readings on one ball.

Marko · May 12, 2015

So even the Colts ball boy was measuring Patriots footballs psi, this is the kind of crap the NFL let's other teams do regarding the Patriots.

ctpatsfan77 · May 12, 2015

upstater1 said:
The Exponent outfit did experiments with the gauges and they found that almost no air escapes when you check a ball's PSI. Something like .001 escapes when using these gauges. It's the gauges themselves that are giving wildly different readings.

Exponent also found that secondhand smoke doesn't cause cancer.

Ring 6 · May 12, 2015

Marko said:
So even the Colts ball boy was measuring Patriots footballs psi, this is the kind of crap the NFL let's other teams do regarding the Patriots.

Why would he be allowed to have a gauge on the sidelines?
Since gauging lets air out, that finding should be irrelevant also.

Armchair Quarterback · May 12, 2015

upstater1 said:
They didn't include the intercepted ball in the analysis. I was just pointing out that one gauge can come up with wildly different readings on one ball.

I was talking more that the ball in question that set everything off, could have easily been manipulated by the colts who first measured it.

Ring 6 · May 12, 2015

This is a curious piece from the report:

At various points in the investigation, counsel for the Patriots questioned the integrity and objectivity of game officials, various NFL executives and certain NFL Security representatives present at the AFC Championship Game or otherwise involved in the investigative process. We found no evidence to substantiate the questions raised by counsel. Specifically, we identified no evidence of any bias or unfairness. We believe that the NFL staff and game officials who participated in the testing of the footballs and the subsequent investigative process acted fairly, properly and responsibly.

Armchair Quarterback · May 12, 2015

ctpatsfan77 said:
Exponent also found that secondhand smoke doesn't cause cancer.

Apparently, neither does asbestos, according to them.

Ring 6 · May 12, 2015

And another.
Apparently the Patriots balls defied physics in the second half, so that data was ignored.

Although these measurements were recorded in conditions similar to those present during halftime, information concerning the timing of these measurements, the pressure levels at which these eight footballs started the second half and the identity of the four Colts footballs tested after the game (specifically, whether they were the same footballs that had been tested at halftime) is significantly less certain than the information about similar issues concerning the pre-game or halftime periods. As a result, our experts concluded that that the post-game measurements did not provide a scientifically reasonable basis on which to conduct a comparative analysis similar to that performed using the pre-game and halftime measurements.

Haley · May 12, 2015

AndyJohnson said:
Why would he be allowed to have a gauge on the sidelines?
Since gauging lets air out, that finding should be irrelevant also.

More than that, teams found openly gauging during a game in progress should be found cheating. It is a direct violation of the rules as well as altering ball psi.

I mean how was this ignored when you had a clear admission of guilt for the very crime you were already investigating!!!

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