List of discrepancies in or with the wells report.

Tony2046 said:

(5) What evidence is there of Tom Brady requested footballs be deflated after it was illegal to do so, and was the request to deflate it below required level?

No. He never asks them to deflate the footballs.
Starting on page 74 of the report you can see detailed list of text messages. Actually some of the messages suggest that Tom asked for the footballs to be prepare properly prior to the game. And that he was angry that during a jets game the footballs were really tight. That portion of the discussion infers that they do not tamper with the footballs during halftime. Page 77 a text message states that they had checked the game balls the day after the game and found them to be inflated to almost 16 psi and they say "the refs F****D us. Obviously they did not tamper with the footballs during that game..


(4) What evidence is there of Patriot equipment personnel deflating footballs after it was illegal to do so?

No messages state that either deflated the footballs during the game. One message refers to McNally as the deflator but he also talks about ball preparation prior to the game.

I can see the interpretation that it is possible that they did tamper with during half time as possible but I can also see that if it was done it was to bring the balls to 12.5 range simply because of what happened during the Jets game. But that is still a guess or an assumption and it does not mean Tom knew they had done so. Tom's whole thing is that he wanted the footballs at 12.5 - 13.0 .

(3) What, if any, PSI discrepancy can be expected due to atmospheric conditions?

In the Attachment at the end of the report it breaks down the effects of temperature and weather. But they conveniently spread various data throughout the attachment.

Page 39 of the attachment -Ideal Gas Law predicts a 1.13 - 1.37 psi drop when going from locker room to field. 71 - 48 deg F

Page 63 of the excerpt states that an additional ..3 psi loss can be due to footballs being wet.

Page 20 of the attachment explains that the two gauges used were not calibrated. One gauge measure .3 to .4 above a known pressure and the other gauge read .07 below the same known pressure.

Add those up and you have a possible 1.9 -2.14 psi loss.

(2) What were the football PSI measurements at the next official measurement?

Page 3 of the attachment has all the measurements etc..

(1) What were the football PSI measurements at the official pregame measurement?

Page 52 of the main report -
"NFL game officials are not required to, and do not as a matter of standard
practice, record in writing the pressure measurements taken during their pre-game inspections of
game balls. We credit Anderson‟s recollection of the pre-game measurements taken on the day
of the AFC Championship Game based on both the level of confidence Anderson expressed in
his recollection and the consistency of his recollection with information provided by each of the
Patriots and Colts regarding their target inflation levels."

So all pressures were based on Walt Anderson's recollection of Pats 12.5 and Colts 13.0
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Thanks Tony, well done. As I suspected, it is very flimsy evidence. A top law firm (there has got to me many of them chomping at the bit for this) will be able to dissect the report and release it's own response that will make Wells look like Barney Fife.
All I can say is everyone relax. Can't say if Tom Brady will ever be sparkly clean again but Tom Brady ain't missing one game. An arbitrator is going to laugh at punishment dolled out based on the report.

Ross12 said:

Thanks bud, I'll send what I've got over when I'm not at work (which will probably be like tomorrow afternoon). Hard to do much more than post on here from my iPhone lol.

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What about Bill Simmons? I know some of his columns aren't the greatest, but he's a Pats fan so unlike 99% of the media he'd actually be interested in all the discrepancies in the report. He's got a national platform, and he just left/is leaving ESPN so if he's going somewhere else or starting a new site (I haven't followed it all that closely) what better way to make a splash then with an expose of all the lies/discrepancies in this report. Plus he's already called Goodell a liar in the past

with all the cameras in and around gillette stadium and they have no video evidence of the referees gauging the balls and the pats deflating them ?? i don't buy any of this. that liar goodell even had a tape of ray ray clocking his wife and kicking her ...IN AN ELEVATOR !! but no video evidence of gauging and deflating. i do not trust goodell or that league office anymore than i trusted another new yorker david stern and his league office with their referees with tim donaghey and his band of league fixers. the nfl is becoming worse than wrestling. it's becoming the nba.

Most of the material that you were dealing with had no connexion with anything in the real world, not even the kind of connexion that is contained in a direct lie.
Statistics were just as much a fantasy in their original version as in their rectified version. A great deal of the time you were expected to make them up out of your head. For example, the Ministry of Plenty’s forecast had estimated the output of boots for the quarter at 145 million pairs. The actual output was given as sixty-two millions. Winston, however, in rewriting the forecast, marked the figure down to fifty-seven millions, so as to allow for the usual claim that the quota had been overfulfilled. In any case, sixty-two millions was no nearer the truth than fifty-seven millions, or than 145 millions. Very likely no boots had been produced at all. Likelier still, nobody knew how many had been produced, much less cared.

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Ted Wells inspiration for the ball measurements.^^

Dr Pain said:

Here is my email to MythBusters.

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It would also be wise to ask them if it is plausible that the Colts footballs lost only 0.3-0.5 psi under those same conditions.

It is the Colts footballs that seem to not follow the ideal gas law. For a good reason: they warmed up for 10 minutes during halftime in a heated room, before being checked.

I have a couple questions if anyone has a answer please do. I just read the whole stupid report..
On #4 it states officials have said of all their times at Gillette this is the FIRST time McNally has removed the balls without approval or being accompanied by official, so why is it being widely reported this has been done for years at home games?
On #5 it states McNally went in the bathroom and LOCKED the door...how do they know he locked the door, nothing states someone tried to go in and door was locked etc, sounds like a added word to make look guilty.
On first set of Texts that references 11 or 11.5? The response was "nah hasn't even mentioned it, figured you since he gives you nothing you should get something" what exactly does that mean? Sounds like to me he's asking if brady wants them that low and the guy says not he hasn't said that and also sounds like at that point brady hadn't given any "gifts".
Also thing that bothers me the most is how it's being widely reported the difference in how much air the pats balls lost compared to how much the Colts lost and there's a chart out for measurements at halftime but where's the chart for measurements before the game? With no true measurements before the game how can their be a accurate read on what they lost?
Also the big deal on him not knowing McNallys name bruschi explained that perfectly. And him not turning over his phone doesn't bother me at all, I wouldn't want all my personal info out there, plus they had these 2 guys phones if brady had texted them they could get bradys responses off of there.
Lastly while some of the other posts do sound a little sketchy like going to ESPN etc to me the thing as a whole does not prove that brady asked to be deflated to below legal limits. Hell 16 psi was mentioned so maybe he did ask for deflation from that and say he wanted them at low end. I don't know if he's 100% innocent or not I just don't think there's enough to say guilty and give long suspension (but I'm sure will still happen just so goddell can prove he's not favoring the hated patriots) I quit watching anything on TV regarding this after I noticed all of these networks were ONLY showing the bits and pieces that made brady look guilty especially when choosing which portion of texts to plaster on their screen. Sorry just frustrated and venting.

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:

It would also be wise to ask them if it is plausible that the Colts footballs lost only 0.3-0.5 psi under those same conditions.

It is the Colts footballs that seem to not follow the ideal gas law. For a good reason: they warmed up for 10 minutes during halftime in a heated room, before being checked.

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And we know nothing of the temp they were inflated at etc... Any potential positive for the Patriots was ignored while anything which looked potentially negative even if taken out of context was magnified.

ANGR89 said:

I have a couple questions if anyone has a answer please do. I just read the whole stupid report..
On #4 it states officials have said of all their times at Gillette this is the FIRST time McNally has removed the balls without approval or being accompanied by official, so why is it being widely reported this has been done for years at home games?
On #5 it states McNally went in the bathroom and LOCKED the door...how do they know he locked the door, nothing states someone tried to go in and door was locked etc, sounds like a added word to make look guilty.
On first set of Texts that references 11 or 11.5? The response was "nah hasn't even mentioned it, figured you since he gives you nothing you should get something" what exactly does that mean? Sounds like to me he's asking if brady wants them that low and the guy says not he hasn't said that and also sounds like at that point brady hadn't given any "gifts".
Also thing that bothers me the most is how it's being widely reported the difference in how much air the pats balls lost compared to how much the Colts lost and there's a chart out for measurements at halftime but where's the chart for measurements before the game? With no true measurements before the game how can their be a accurate read on what they lost?
Also the big deal on him not knowing McNallys name bruschi explained that perfectly. And him not turning over his phone doesn't bother me at all, I wouldn't want all my personal info out there, plus they had these 2 guys phones if brady had texted them they could get bradys responses off of there.
Lastly while some of the other posts do sound a little sketchy like going to ESPN etc to me the thing as a whole does not prove that brady asked to be deflated to below legal limits. Hell 16 psi was mentioned so maybe he did ask for deflation from that and say he wanted them at low end. I don't know if he's 100% innocent or not I just don't think there's enough to say guilty and give long suspension (but I'm sure will still happen just so goddell can prove he's not favoring the hated patriots) I quit watching anything on TV regarding this after I noticed all of these networks were ONLY showing the bits and pieces that made brady look guilty especially when choosing which portion of texts to plaster on their screen. Sorry just frustrated and venting.

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If reference to the 11 or 11.5 they are referring to shoe sizes. They actually mention in those texts that the Jets footballs were at 16 psi and that the refs had screwed them. Then they say the footballs were supposed to be at 13.

Bobs My Uncle said:

I have read this numerous times now. Without having to re-read that stinking report again, is it for certain that no clear evidence of the pre-game PSI of the balls exists?

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Everything in the report refers to Anderson's recollection of the PSI measurements during his pre-game inspection. The report also says "NFL game officials are not required to, and do not as a matter of standard practice, record in writing the pressure measurements taken during their pre-game inspections of game balls."

I realize some starting point has to be established, but going by an undocumented memory isn't the most reliable basis to use. All of these officials have careers outside of football and I doubt that explanation would be accepted if their businesses were faced with some sort of investigation.

It doesn't have to be as dramatic as documenting that a hospital patient received their medication, but when you have your home furnace cleaned, the technicians write the date down on a label on the furnace. There's a tag on fire extinguishers to note the last time someone tested them. Even port-a-potties have a label inside them for someone to write the date they were cleaned. If an employee performed their normal job responsibilities (tested the fire extinguisher, cleaned the furnace, administered medication, etc) but did not write it down, it would be viewed as if it didn't happen. If there was an inspection or an issue arose in one of these situations, saying "I'm sure I did it. I remember doing it." isn't going to stand up to any scrutiny.

The fact that the NFL never had this standard for the pre-game inspection combined with the stories we've heard of officials just doing a "squeeze test" and the texts about the officials inflating balls to 16 PSI shows, to me, that this was never a high priority over the 95 years the league has been in existence.

Here's a quote from Exponent's report.
"the Patriots halftime measurements will only fall within this small window if they were taken immediately after the footballs arrived in the Officials Locker Room at halftime"... "we understand that testing is likely to have begun no sooner than 2 minutes after the balls were brought into the locker room".

This states the Pats footballs would fall into the expected range if tested immediately, but do not if it took two minutes to begin as the refs stated. What Exponent leaves out is that the balls were zipped up in a duffle bag which does have some insulation. After two minutes, the air in that bag is not going to be the same as the air outside of the bag. How does Exponent not even consider this while trying to be so exact that a mere two minutes is the difference between cheating or not? Agenda?

And seriously, two minutes? There are so many variables, assumptions, and unreliable data that you can not be so darn precise. Declaring a team cheaters because the refs could have estimated their timing incorrectly by two minutes? Outrageous!

The Fraudulent Parts of the Wells Report:

#1. The Text Messages

Excerpt from the Report:
For example, on October 17, 2014, following a Thursday night game between the Patriots and the New York Jets during which Tom Brady complained angrily about the inflation level of the game balls, McNally and Jastremski exchanged the following text messages:

McNally: Tom sucks...im going make that next ball a ****in balloon
Jastremski: Talked to him last night. He actually brought you up and said you must have a lot of stress trying to get them done...
Jastremski: I told him it was. He was right though...
Jastremski: I checked some of the balls this morn... The refs ****ed us...a few of then were at almost 16
Jastremski: They didnt recheck then after they put air in them
McNally: **** tom ...16 is nothing...wait till next sunday
Jastremski: Omg! Spaz

On October 21, 2014, McNally and Jastremski exchanged the following text messages:

McNally: Make sure you blow up the ball to look like a rugby ball so tom can get used to it before sunday
Jastremski: Omg

On October 23, 2014, three days before a Sunday game against the Chicago Bears, Jastremski and McNally exchanged the following messages:

Jastremski: Can‟t wait to give you your needle this week
McNally: **** tom....make sure the pump is attached to the needle.....****in watermelons coming
Jastremski: So angry
McNally: The only thing deflating sun..is his passing rating
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Sounds like Jastremski is teasing McNally about the prior conversation, the smiley face is a huge indicator. McNally is still mad about Brady's behavior the Jets game, so he's talking major ish right now. The balls were obviously too big so Jastremski is telling a deflate joke (with the needle comment) and McNally's not having it.
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Excerpt:
The next day, October 24, 2014, Jastremski and McNally exchanged the following messages:

Jastremski: I have a big needle for u this week
McNally: Better be surrounded by cash and newkicks....or its a rugby sunday
McNally: **** tom
Jastremski: Maybe u will have some nice size 11s in ur locker
McNally: Tom must really be working your balls hard this week
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Again, Jastremski starts the text again, teasing McNally about deflating balls, with the needle comment. McNally seems lighten up, because now they are going back in forth in a joking manner.
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On October 25, 2014, McNally and Jastremski exchanged the following messages:

Jastremski: Size 11?
Jastremski: 2 or 3X?
McNally: Tom must really be on you
McNally: 11 0r 11 half......2x unless its tight fitting
Jastremski: Nah. Hasn‟t even mentioned it, figured u should get something since he gives u nothing
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Jastremski thought about McNally's jab or joke and figures he should do something for McNally for all the hard-work he's done. 15 years(?) on the job and Tom hasn't given him any free stuff yet. This seems to be explained in Jastremski's last message, which in translation says... "Tom hasn't even thought about you, but since you brought it up, I figured he needs to give you something."

This proves that Brady was not giving McNally autographed items in exchange for deflating balls in the past. It also doesn't prove that McNally even received anything at this point, only that Jastremski was trying to arrange something.
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Excerpt:
On January 7, 2015, eleven days before the AFC Championship Game, McNally and Jastremski discussed how McNally would have a “big autograph day” and receive items autographed by Brady the following weekend, before the playoff game against the Baltimore Ravens. McNally and Jastremski exchanged the
following text messages:

McNally: Remember to put a couple sweet pig skins ready for tom to sign
Jastremski: U got it kid...big autograph day for you
McNally: Nice throw some kicks in and make it real special
Jastremski: It ur lucky. 11?
McNally: 11 or 11 and half kid

On January 10, 2015, immediately prior to the game between the Patriots and the Ravens, in the Patriots equipment room with both Brady and Jastremski present, McNally received two footballs autographed by Brady and also had Brady autograph a game-worn Patriots jersey that McNally previously had obtained.
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The report fails to mention, who else may have been present to receive similar gifts and if there were any other players present and giving autographs to the equipment staff.
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In addition to the messages described above, before the start of the 2014-15 season, McNally referred to himself as “the deflator” and stated that he was “not going to espn……..yet.” On May 9, 2014, McNally and Jastremski exchanged the following text messages:
McNally: You working
Jastremski: Yup
McNally: Nice dude....jimmy needs some kicks....lets make a deal.....come on help the deflator
McNally: Chill buddy im just ****in with you ....im not going to espn........yet

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These texts were exchanged before the season started, yet Wells types them up after the other text messages that were sent prior to the AFC Championship game. This was done intentionally, so that the reader remembers the texts in the order Wells recorded them, he also repeats the text in this same exact order throughout the report, to remind the reader. Keep in mind, he starts these texts after the other texts, where Jastremski/McNally is talking about receiving gifts and "kicks." The typical reader, would scroll pass the message presented above the following text, or simply not consider the dates-- so it would seem like the following text and then McNally also mentions the "kicks" in this set of texts, but they were exchanged in May not January.

When McNally refers to himself as "the deflator," is he talking about footballs or could he be talking about deflating Jastremski's mood, by asking him for stolen equipment? If he is talking about footballs, could he be the deflator because he deflates the footballs during the preparation process. Here is a little something, something I found in the NYtimes about how Manning's equipment staff handles his balls:

“I’ll know as soon as I pick up a ball whether it could be a ball that Eli might like some day or whether it’s a ball he’ll never like,” Ed Skiba said.

Maybe they deflated the balls below the legal limit and hoped it would pass ref inspection (similar to Rodgers) and maybe the refs allowed them. Maybe the refs are covering their own ***es and suddenly developed top-notch memory to recall the exact PSI of 11 balls in a game. Once Brady picks out his balls they are perfect to him, he wants no-one touching them--similar to Eli. So why have someone deflating them in 100 seconds and expect it to be perfect?

2nd question is: What was Jastremski's response to McNally's "deflator" text? Why was it omitted from the report? Was Jastremski stealing equipment for McNally? McNally didn't seemed to be talking about Uggs or Brady for that matter. Did Jastremski send a text that would've offered a little more context to the messages? McNally told him to "chill," so what did Jastremski say? Why would he be deflating balls for Brady or expecting gifts in May?

These are things I'm trying to consider. I'm going to reread this garbage and analyze some more stupidity that comes out of it.

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:

It would also be wise to ask them if it is plausible that the Colts footballs lost only 0.3-0.5 psi under those same conditions.

It is the Colts footballs that seem to not follow the ideal gas law. For a good reason: they warmed up for 10 minutes during halftime in a heated room, before being checked.

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And of course we don't know where they were initially inflated, stored and the function of how they were first inspected or even if they were initially inspected using the same gauge. lastly lets all remember that the ball intercepted and measured by the Colts fell within what was expected based on Headsmart's experiment.

I haven't really read this thread, and this is from Florio (so it might already be here), but:

Referee Walt Anderson didn’t clearly recall which gauge he used to set the pressure in the Patriots balls at 12.5 PSI before the game. Page 52 of the Wells report reveals that it was Anderson’s “best recollection” that he used before the game the gauge with the logo and the longer, crooked needle. In other words, Anderson recalls using the gauge before the game that, based on the halftime measurements, leads to a finding of no tampering.

So how did Ted Wells get around the “best recollection” of Walt Anderson? Wells persuaded Anderson to admit that it’s “certainly possible” he used the other gauge. And the company hired to provide technical support for the Wells report concluded based on a convoluted explanation appearing at pages 116-17 of the report that it is “more probable than not” that Anderson used the other gauge.

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...best-recollection-on-a-key-piece-of-evidence/

Not sure if this is the right thread for it, but this occurred to me yesterday:

We know that the Colts preference is to have the footballs inflated to 13 PSI. Based on the halftime readings of the 4 Colts footballs, all of them had lost pressure, with 3 (according to one official) below the 12.5 minimum. From everything I have heard/read, the officials did not re-inflate any of the Colts footballs.

So, if under-inflated footballs are such a significant advantage, why did the Colts offense put up 0 points in the second half? My numbers may be a little off, but Luck was 6-15 with 2 INTs in the second half with balls that should have been easier to grip.

LivinLovin&Breathin_Brady said:

The Fraudulent Parts of the Wells Report:

#1. The Text Messages

Excerpt from the Report:
For example, on October 17, 2014, following a Thursday night game between the Patriots and the New York Jets during which Tom Brady complained angrily about the inflation level of the game balls, McNally and Jastremski exchanged the following text messages:

McNally: Tom sucks...im going make that next ball a ****in balloon
Jastremski: Talked to him last night. He actually brought you up and said you must have a lot of stress trying to get them done...
Jastremski: I told him it was. He was right though...
Jastremski: I checked some of the balls this morn... The refs ****ed us...a few of then were at almost 16
Jastremski: They didnt recheck then after they put air in them
McNally: **** tom ...16 is nothing...wait till next sunday
Jastremski: Omg! Spaz

On October 21, 2014, McNally and Jastremski exchanged the following text messages:

McNally: Make sure you blow up the ball to look like a rugby ball so tom can get used to it before sunday
Jastremski: Omg

On October 23, 2014, three days before a Sunday game against the Chicago Bears, Jastremski and McNally exchanged the following messages:



Jastremski: Can‟t wait to give you your needle this week
McNally: **** tom....make sure the pump is attached to the needle.....****in watermelons coming
Jastremski: So angry
McNally: The only thing deflating sun..is his passing rating
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Sounds like Jastremski is teasing McNally about the prior conversation, the smiley face is a huge indicator. McNally is still mad about Brady's behavior the Jets game, so he's talking major ish right now. The balls were obviously too big so Jastremski is telling a deflate joke (with the needle comment) and McNally's not having it.
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Excerpt:
The next day, October 24, 2014, Jastremski and McNally exchanged the following messages:

Jastremski: I have a big needle for u this week
McNally: Better be surrounded by cash and newkicks....or its a rugby sunday
McNally: **** tom
Jastremski: Maybe u will have some nice size 11s in ur locker
McNally: Tom must really be working your balls hard this week
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Again, Jastremski starts the text again, teasing McNally about deflating balls, with the needle comment. McNally seems lighten up, because now they are going back in forth in a joking manner.
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Excerpt:
On October 25, 2014, McNally and Jastremski exchanged the following messages:

Jastremski: Size 11?
Jastremski: 2 or 3X?
McNally: Tom must really be on you
McNally: 11 0r 11 half......2x unless its tight fitting
Jastremski: Nah. Hasn‟t even mentioned it, figured u should get something since he gives u nothing
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Jastremski thought about McNally's jab or joke and figures he should do something for McNally for all the hard-work he's done. 15 years(?) on the job and Tom hasn't given him any free stuff yet. This seems to be explained in Jastremski's last message, which in translation says... "Tom hasn't even thought about you, but since you brought it up, I figured he needs to give you something."

This proves that Brady was not giving McNally autographed items in exchange for deflating balls in the past. It also doesn't prove that McNally even received anything at this point, only that Jastremski was trying to arrange something.
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Excerpt:
On January 7, 2015, eleven days before the AFC Championship Game, McNally and Jastremski discussed how McNally would have a “big autograph day” and receive items autographed by Brady the following weekend, before the playoff game against the Baltimore Ravens. McNally and Jastremski exchanged the
following text messages:

McNally: Remember to put a couple sweet pig skins ready for tom to sign
Jastremski: U got it kid...big autograph day for you
McNally: Nice throw some kicks in and make it real special
Jastremski: It ur lucky. 11?
McNally: 11 or 11 and half kid

On January 10, 2015, immediately prior to the game between the Patriots and the Ravens, in the Patriots equipment room with both Brady and Jastremski present, McNally received two footballs autographed by Brady and also had Brady autograph a game-worn Patriots jersey that McNally previously had obtained.
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The report fails to mention, who else may have been present to receive similar gifts and if there were any other players present and giving autographs to the equipment staff.
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In addition to the messages described above, before the start of the 2014-15 season, McNally referred to himself as “the deflator” and stated that he was “not going to espn……..yet.” On May 9, 2014, McNally and Jastremski exchanged the following text messages:
McNally: You working
Jastremski: Yup
McNally: Nice dude....jimmy needs some kicks....lets make a deal.....come on help the deflator
McNally: Chill buddy im just ****in with you ....im not going to espn........yet

==========================================================================

These texts were exchanged before the season started, yet Wells types them up after the other text messages that were sent prior to the AFC Championship game. This was done intentionally, so that the reader remembers the texts in the order Wells recorded them, he also repeats the text in this same exact order throughout the report, to remind the reader. Keep in mind, he starts these texts after the other texts, where Jastremski/McNally is talking about receiving gifts and "kicks." The typical reader, would scroll pass the message presented above the following text, or simply not consider the dates-- so it would seem like the following text and then McNally also mentions the "kicks" in this set of texts, but they were exchanged in May not January.

When McNally refers to himself as "the deflator," is he talking about footballs or could he be talking about deflating Jastremski's mood, by asking him for stolen equipment? If he is talking about footballs, could he be the deflator because he deflates the footballs during the preparation process. Here is a little something, something I found in the NYtimes about how Manning's equipment staff handles his balls:

“I’ll know as soon as I pick up a ball whether it could be a ball that Eli might like some day or whether it’s a ball he’ll never like,” Ed Skiba said.

Maybe they deflated the balls below the legal limit and hoped it would pass ref inspection (similar to Rodgers) and maybe the refs allowed them. Maybe the refs are covering their own ***es and suddenly developed top-notch memory to recall the exact PSI of 11 balls in a game. Once Brady picks out his balls they are perfect to him, he wants no-one touching them--similar to Eli. So why have someone deflating them in 100 seconds and expect it to be perfect?

2nd question is: What was Jastremski's response to McNally's "deflator" text? Why was it omitted from the report? Was Jastremski stealing equipment for McNally? McNally didn't seemed to be talking about Uggs or Brady for that matter. Did Jastremski send a text that would've offered a little more context to the messages? McNally told him to "chill," so what did Jastremski say? Why would he be deflating balls for Brady or expecting gifts in May?

These are things I'm trying to consider. I'm going to reread this garbage and analyze some more stupidity that comes out of it.

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You're right. I never noticed those timelines or dates. Excellent, excellent points.

Anybody see if Headsmart Labs had any comment on Exponent's report?

Koma said:

Not sure if this is the right thread for it, but this occurred to me yesterday:

We know that the Colts preference is to have the footballs inflated to 13 PSI. Based on the halftime readings of the 4 Colts footballs, all of them had lost pressure, with 3 (according to one official) below the 12.5 minimum. From everything I have heard/read, the officials did not re-inflate any of the Colts footballs.

So, if under-inflated footballs are such a significant advantage, why did the Colts offense put up 0 points in the second half? My numbers may be a little off, but Luck was 6-15 with 2 INTs in the second half with balls that should have been easier to grip.

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Sometimes, if you suck like Luck, the "competitive advantage" is no advantage at all. Even implanting super magnets in his balls wouldn't have helped the ball find its WRs with metal implanted in their gloves.

LivinLovin&Breathin_Brady said:

The Fraudulent Parts of the Wells Report:

#1. The Text Messages

Excerpt from the Report:
For example, on October 17, 2014, following a Thursday night game between the Patriots and the New York Jets during which Tom Brady complained angrily about the inflation level of the game balls, McNally and Jastremski exchanged the following text messages:

McNally: Tom sucks...im going make that next ball a ****in balloon
Jastremski: Talked to him last night. He actually brought you up and said you must have a lot of stress trying to get them done...
Jastremski: I told him it was. He was right though...
Jastremski: I checked some of the balls this morn... The refs ****ed us...a few of then were at almost 16
Jastremski: They didnt recheck then after they put air in them
McNally: **** tom ...16 is nothing...wait till next sunday
Jastremski: Omg! Spaz

On October 21, 2014, McNally and Jastremski exchanged the following text messages:

McNally: Make sure you blow up the ball to look like a rugby ball so tom can get used to it before sunday
Jastremski: Omg

On October 23, 2014, three days before a Sunday game against the Chicago Bears, Jastremski and McNally exchanged the following messages:

Jastremski: Can‟t wait to give you your needle this week
McNally: **** tom....make sure the pump is attached to the needle.....****in watermelons coming
Jastremski: So angry
McNally: The only thing deflating sun..is his passing rating
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Sounds like Jastremski is teasing McNally about the prior conversation, the smiley face is a huge indicator. McNally is still mad about Brady's behavior the Jets game, so he's talking major ish right now. The balls were obviously too big so Jastremski is telling a deflate joke (with the needle comment) and McNally's not having it.
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The next day, October 24, 2014, Jastremski and McNally exchanged the following messages:

Jastremski: I have a big needle for u this week
McNally: Better be surrounded by cash and newkicks....or its a rugby sunday
McNally: **** tom
Jastremski: Maybe u will have some nice size 11s in ur locker
McNally: Tom must really be working your balls hard this week
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Again, Jastremski starts the text again, teasing McNally about deflating balls, with the needle comment. McNally seems lighten up, because now they are going back in forth in a joking manner.
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On October 25, 2014, McNally and Jastremski exchanged the following messages:

Jastremski: Size 11?
Jastremski: 2 or 3X?
McNally: Tom must really be on you
McNally: 11 0r 11 half......2x unless its tight fitting
Jastremski: Nah. Hasn‟t even mentioned it, figured u should get something since he gives u nothing
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Jastremski thought about McNally's jab or joke and figures he should do something for McNally for all the hard-work he's done. 15 years(?) on the job and Tom hasn't given him any free stuff yet. This seems to be explained in Jastremski's last message, which in translation says... "Tom hasn't even thought about you, but since you brought it up, I figured he needs to give you something."

This proves that Brady was not giving McNally autographed items in exchange for deflating balls in the past. It also doesn't prove that McNally even received anything at this point, only that Jastremski was trying to arrange something.
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On January 7, 2015, eleven days before the AFC Championship Game, McNally and Jastremski discussed how McNally would have a “big autograph day” and receive items autographed by Brady the following weekend, before the playoff game against the Baltimore Ravens. McNally and Jastremski exchanged the
following text messages:

McNally: Remember to put a couple sweet pig skins ready for tom to sign
Jastremski: U got it kid...big autograph day for you
McNally: Nice throw some kicks in and make it real special
Jastremski: It ur lucky. 11?
McNally: 11 or 11 and half kid

On January 10, 2015, immediately prior to the game between the Patriots and the Ravens, in the Patriots equipment room with both Brady and Jastremski present, McNally received two footballs autographed by Brady and also had Brady autograph a game-worn Patriots jersey that McNally previously had obtained.
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The report fails to mention, who else may have been present to receive similar gifts and if there were any other players present and giving autographs to the equipment staff.
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In addition to the messages described above, before the start of the 2014-15 season, McNally referred to himself as “the deflator” and stated that he was “not going to espn……..yet.” On May 9, 2014, McNally and Jastremski exchanged the following text messages:
McNally: You working
Jastremski: Yup
McNally: Nice dude....jimmy needs some kicks....lets make a deal.....come on help the deflator
McNally: Chill buddy im just ****in with you ....im not going to espn........yet

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These texts were exchanged before the season started, yet Wells types them up after the other text messages that were sent prior to the AFC Championship game. This was done intentionally, so that the reader remembers the texts in the order Wells recorded them, he also repeats the text in this same exact order throughout the report, to remind the reader. Keep in mind, he starts these texts after the other texts, where Jastremski/McNally is talking about receiving gifts and "kicks." The typical reader, would scroll pass the message presented above the following text, or simply not consider the dates-- so it would seem like the following text and then McNally also mentions the "kicks" in this set of texts, but they were exchanged in May not January.

When McNally refers to himself as "the deflator," is he talking about footballs or could he be talking about deflating Jastremski's mood, by asking him for stolen equipment? If he is talking about footballs, could he be the deflator because he deflates the footballs during the preparation process. Here is a little something, something I found in the NYtimes about how Manning's equipment staff handles his balls:

“I’ll know as soon as I pick up a ball whether it could be a ball that Eli might like some day or whether it’s a ball he’ll never like,” Ed Skiba said.

Maybe they deflated the balls below the legal limit and hoped it would pass ref inspection (similar to Rodgers) and maybe the refs allowed them. Maybe the refs are covering their own ***es and suddenly developed top-notch memory to recall the exact PSI of 11 balls in a game. Once Brady picks out his balls they are perfect to him, he wants no-one touching them--similar to Eli. So why have someone deflating them in 100 seconds and expect it to be perfect?

2nd question is: What was Jastremski's response to McNally's "deflator" text? Why was it omitted from the report? Was Jastremski stealing equipment for McNally? McNally didn't seemed to be talking about Uggs or Brady for that matter. Did Jastremski send a text that would've offered a little more context to the messages? McNally told him to "chill," so what did Jastremski say? Why would he be deflating balls for Brady or expecting gifts in May?

These are things I'm trying to consider. I'm going to reread this garbage and analyze some more stupidity that comes out of it.

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Thanks for the detailed information.
"Deflator" and virtually all of these texts mean nothing. Just a bunch of yapping without context from two knuckleheads who handle equipment/footballs (which would include prepping them for the way the QB wants them).
For me the text that raises an eyebrow is the "going to ESPN". This means he feels he has some sort of secret or scandal to reveal. If I interpret that correctly, what secret? It is this one that I would like to hear an explanation for from either or both of these two guys.

Danger Zone said:

Thats all it should have come down to right there.

The Patriot footballs were .3 psi below where Wells expects their footballs to be after taking into account the psi lost from cold temperature.

But is a .3 psi variance enough to infer human intervention?

Are we really are going to conclude that McNally went into that bathroom and deflated 11 footballs by .3 psi? Really?

Really?


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In fact, isn't .3 just about the psi a football loses when it is tested ?

Did Wells even look into the possibility that the Patriot footballs were simply tested one time more than the Colts?

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Great questions. Also if McNally was indeed videotaped going into the bathroom, couldn't you simply zoom in on the bag's zipper (assuming the bag had a zipper) before he went into that bathroom, and then after he came out ? If the zipper was in the same location after he came out, then this would infer he never opened that bag. The Question would be which zipper did he open -- The bag's zipper or his ?

I'm surprised you guys aren't talking more about the florio article. That was pretty damn serious