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I've been seeing more "there's two sides to this" than I remember during cameragate. Even at the outset they at least were going after the weasely language, although -- as was clearly the plan -- media outlets focused on the convenient and copy-able tweets.

It's not surprising that one of those tweets shows up in this "wait a minute" story (the one that more than anything I have been saying establishes a contrary narrative): A tweet saying that the target was 13 PSI, and the refs, ah say the refs, inflated a ball to 16.

The fact that they actually found the "Oh he must have remembered the wrong gauge" language is encouraging

This week's fodder? If so, we'll have to wait a while longer on "The Decision." More probably than not, anyway.

Stealing this from someone's comment:

On Page 20 of Exponent info, says Logo gauge generally measures .3-.4 higher than the master gauge they set up for testing (which was supposed to be the most accurate measurement). So in reality, if Anderson used the Logo gauge and set the balls to 12.5, the balls were actually 12.1-12.2 PSI when they hit the field. If Exponent had used the assumption that Anderson used the Logo gauge as he thought he had (and they extolled the virtues of his memory earlier in the report), Anderson would also be guilty of sending illegal footballs onto the field. So, of course, they had to assume he used the Non Logo.

Ian said:

The weird thing is, off the air, he's genuine and sincere and a good guy and would do anything for you. It's bizarre, but "it is what it is".

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I have no doubt that's the case. It only strengthens the thought that his current persona is contrived and phony.

I always respected Bedard, even when I thought his football analysis was wrong. That respect is now declining after hearing his views on this farce.

SVN said:

Scott FujitaVerified account‏@sfujita55
@Nawlins48 The way I read the texts, Brady likes his balls to be a certain way. That is all. Everything else is conjecture at this point.

James P. ‏@Premo74 2h2 hours ago
@sfujita55 Do all players stick up for one another cause they all cheat?

Scott FujitaVerified account‏@sfujita55
@Premo74 I stick up for reason & due process, both of which seem to be lacking so far. If something changes, I'll be first to acknowledge it

Scott Fujita @sfujita55 · 2h2 hours ago
@CGirl143 @Dbright21 @iExquisiteHD_ @JasonLaCanfora And for the record, I wouldn't turn over my phone either.

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ViperGTS said:

Ian,

Why do they have Borges and Bedard on ST convicting Brady again. Wanting them to admit guilt. How is this legitimate? Do the producers let them or is free reign?

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Because the argument they're trying to make - which is valid but I don't think fits the definition of wrongdoing - is that Brady was pestering these guys about making sure the psi was at the lower threshold, which means he obviously knew what they were doing. However, I don't think, and most sensible people seem to agree, that Brady ever wanted them to break the rules and under-inflate them below the league's requirement. But the fact that during Brady's interview in the report he claimed to not even know these guys, which was clearly not true, is the thing most people keep coming back to as what they believe is going to be the issue.

Ian said:

Because the argument they're trying to make - which is valid but I don't think fits the definition of wrongdoing - is that Brady was pestering these guys about making sure the psi was at the lower threshold, which means he obviously knew what they were doing. However, I don't think, and most sensible people seem to agree, that Brady ever wanted them to break the rules and under-inflate them below the league's requirement. But the fact that during Brady's interview in the report he claimed to not even know these guys, which was clearly not true, is the thing most people keep coming back to as what they believe is going to be the issue.

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They could make the argument that Brady was (unwittingly) creating an atmosphere that forced the action (although the act is unproven too). However creating that atmosphere, if he even did, is a long way from being "generally aware" of actions that were taken outside of the rules.

As for not knowing them, wasn't that actually Brady saying he didn't know McNally's name? Bruschi said he's known as "Bird" to the players so as implausible as not knowing his name sounds, I guess it's possible if he's Bird to them.

Deus Irae said:

That's why I've wanted him gone since just about day one. Spygate said it all. This is a guy who's been slapped down by arbitrators, by the courts and by his own predecessor, even after he was given the power to rule over these issues with a lower standard (preponderance). He's a Jacobin, a militant communist, a cross burner, or whatever phrase you prefer to use, and I've been saying this without regard to which team he happened to be dealing with at the time.

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You're correct DI. While I don't know if Goodell at his core is a bad person, the execution of his occupational position does not suggest promise. Yet, IMHO, he is only half the problem. The other half of the problem is the extreme enabling by large swaths of the media. At some point aren't those who enable him also guilty of bad form?
The media was thrown, in baseball terms, a fat pitch on the Wells' report. The thing reeks of a hatchet job, of suspect processes and conclusions. The media was provided a golden opportunity to keep in check a Goliath who is otherwise meting out warped justice from an insulated ivory tower.
Until this kind of 'keeping in check' becomes part of the landscape, the problem is bigger than Goodell. He could be fired tomorrow and, IMHO, they'll just be another version of him take his place.

Has anyone found a timeline regarding the Patriots general ball preparation in the report? I may have missed it, but I don't recall seeing one.

this whole thing is a joke.

im sick of it.

Ian said:

Because the argument they're trying to make - which is valid but I don't think fits the definition of wrongdoing - is that Brady was pestering these guys about making sure the psi was at the lower threshold, which means he obviously knew what they were doing. However, I don't think, and most sensible people seem to agree, that Brady ever wanted them to break the rules and under-inflate them below the league's requirement. But the fact that during Brady's interview in the report he claimed to not even know these guys, which was clearly not true, is the thing most people keep coming back to as what they believe is going to be the issue.

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Was it not that he did know of the person McNally by name? Brady deals with Jastemski and did not deny this or that he knew him. Jastremski deals with Brady and Brady knows McNally by his nickname Bird. They asked about McNally who Brady doesn't know by name. As far as giving Uggs and signing shirts as proof of a deep relationship, my guess is there are probably hundreds of people Brady has done nice things for that he does not know their names. I once lead a group of hundreds of people, I said hi to everyone and was very nice, ran great parties (I had other people set up) but if you put me on the spot I knew a third of the names at any one time and really dealt with and knew 12 or so. Everyone knows Brady, Brady is generaly nice to everyone. These are not the same thing.

Deus Irae said:

Has anyone found a timeline regarding the Patriots general ball preparation in the report? I may have missed it, but I don't recall seeing one.

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More important is the Colts balls pregame. Patriots game balls fit in with ideal gas law. Colts are the anomaly which must have an explanation such as being they are the visiting team, their balls were brought in cold. Any thorough investigation would have looked ta that if they were going to try and use these Colts balls to refute the Ideal Gas Law affects on the Patriots balls. Basically saying you are lying and did not get sunburn today because someone else at the same park for part of the day did not without taking into account sunblock, long sleeve, hats and that you are fair skin and they tan.

Dr Pain said:

More important is the Colts balls pregame. Patriots game balls fit in with ideal gas law. Colts are the anomaly which must have an explanation such as being they are the visiting team, their balls were brought in cold. Any thorough investigation would have looked ta that if they were going to try and use these Colts balls to refute the Ideal Gas Law affects on the Patriots balls. Basically saying you are lying and did not get sunburn today because someone else at the same park for part of the day did not without taking into account sunblock, long sleeve, hats and that you are fair skin and they tan.

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I'm looking at it for a different reason. I'm looking at it from the McNally "stress" angle.

Dr Pain said:

I agree. He is just so dishonest that even Rob0729's avatar just makes my skin crawl. Felger's negative ratings must be through the roof. He got very lucky with the Big show on WEEI being ahead of him in total stupidity and crashing and burning but his days are numbered. He does not seem to get he is Ron Borgas V2 when he could have actually been someone of integrity. Just compare him with Micheal Reiss and Michael Holley who are people I may not always agree with but I always respect. I think the carnival barker is a good analogy. When Felger foams at the mouth he thinks the scraps he gets thrown from the table of the national media are admiration when they are just peanuts thrown to a dancing monkey.

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That's funny Dr P. I always wanted to say something to Rob about his avatar, but I didn't feel it was my place to be critical.

We should be using Brady as our avatar anyway.

The worst part about Felger is the amount of his garbage that gets repeated here. I never listen to a moment of him but I still have to hear about him every time I come here.

Whoa there! That was a clear violation by the Vikings. We should push to have their multiple NFCN 4th place finishes revoked.

1960Pats said:

Whoa there! That was a clear violation by the Vikings. We should push to have their multiple NFCN 4th place finishes revoked.

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Everyone there who were or should have been generally aware should be suspended for the season, all 65,000 of them.

Oh, one more thing.

If Framegate continues to go on and Brady needs representation, does his agent act as his lawyer?

ViperGTS said:

Meh, couple days ago he was crucifying them. Bedard is saying the gauge testing questions are BS. It's garbage and means nothing. God these fools should be grabbed and then thrown into a basement until this is over.

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Bedard has been a disappointment on this but guessing that is the stance he has to take because who his boss is.

Ian said:

Because the argument they're trying to make - which is valid but I don't think fits the definition of wrongdoing - is that Brady was pestering these guys about making sure the psi was at the lower threshold, which means he obviously knew what they were doing. However, I don't think, and most sensible people seem to agree, that Brady ever wanted them to break the rules and under-inflate them below the league's requirement. But the fact that during Brady's interview in the report he claimed to not even know these guys, which was clearly not true, is the thing most people keep coming back to as what they believe is going to be the issue.

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Brady said he considered JJ a friend but couldn't recall MCnallys name I believe. Wasn't aware he said he didn't know them.

Ian said:

However, I don't think, and most sensible people seem to agree, that Brady ever wanted them to break the rules and under-inflate them below the league's requirement

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One of Jastremski's text was him saying how Brady told him to bring the rule of 12.5-13.5 to the refs, right?

Hard to imagine Brady would have directed them to deflate it under regulation if he is having guys bring the PSI level rule to the refs.