More from PFT " (Holy crap, I think I’m beginning to agree with Don Yee.) "

upstater1 said:

I have to say, I don't have a lot of faith that this bias is really going to be contested by Yee. He's not going to attack the conclusions of the data, nor the inherent bias here.

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Yee's doing the job he's supposed to. The NFLPA and/or Brady will have other attorneys who will deal with the nuts and bolts stuff. Goodell is likely going to look like a fool, once again, if he relies on this report for his ruling.

upstater1 said:

I have to say, I don't have a lot of faith that this bias is really going to be contested by Yee. He's not going to attack the conclusions of the data, nor the inherent bias here.

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Huh? He already said in his statement that essentially, every time Wells et al. could have made an inference that helps the Patriots, they chose not to.

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

Okay, let's all acknowledge that Florio is not anti-Patriots, which I have argued for years.

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I've never thought that he's anti-Patriots he's just a tabloid sports guy and nothing pumps up the page hits like saying the Patriots. But I've given up trying to argue against the shared persecution complex here.

Deus Irae said:

As I've said from the beginning, this report could be shredded by a first year lawyer. The problem is that this is being handled in a court of Goodell, and not a court of law.

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For now.......

I don't care if Florio is pro or anti-patriots or if he's only after clicks. What I care about is the truth getting out and we finally have some major sites dishing out the truth.

I emailed Mr. Florio this tidbit earlier today, about Mr. Well's scientists going against the ref's best recollection, to make their numbers look better!

I also explained to him the issue of how the Colts footballs dropped far less in pressure than the ideal gas law demands, that this was also easily explained since they had been in the heated room at halftime for 10 minutes or more and had warmed up, and that this factor alone explains the statistical difference between the sets of footballs.

Hopefully there will be more posts from Mr. Florio today detailing these facts, which detract from the popular story line.

It really is NOT rocket science. The general public CAN understand it, if you explain it clearly in plain English.

upstater1 said:

I have to say, I don't have a lot of faith that this bias is really going to be contested by Yee. He's not going to attack the conclusions of the data, nor the inherent bias here.

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He already has.

Ian said:

This article lost me at "And Tom Brady should be presumed guilty at best and suspended indefinitely until he gives up his text messages and emails at worst for his failure to cooperate with the investigation."

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Even so, earlier parts of the article were useful.

The inflation data, on the whole, does not implicate the Patriots in the LEAST.

two issues remain: how to interpret the text messages, and how seriously to take Brady's decision not to give up his phone.

The first has issues in just how to interpret texts obviously intended to be humorous. The second, Brady keeping his phone, is perfectly understandable, even considering how Wells used personal texts having nothing to do with ball inflation in his report (discussing a wedding, discussing a gifted football, as examples.

Sharing your phone means that anything can and likely will be leaked, relevant or not. No way you do that, absent a subpeona.

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:

The inflation data, on the whole, does not implicate the Patriots in the LEAST.

two issues remain: how to interpret the text messages, and how seriously to take Brady's decision not to give up his phone.

The first has issues in just how to interpret texts obviously intended to be humorous. The second, Brady keeping his phone, is perfectly understandable, even considering how Wells used personal texts having nothing to do with ball inflation in his report (discussing a wedding, discussing a gifted football, as examples.

Sharing your phone means that anything can and likely will be leaked, relevant or not. No way you do that, absent a subpeona.

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The context to the text messages is all in the report, Wells just chooses not to believe it. I would like to see him justify how he can interpret those text messages differently to the consistent testimony of multiple people. When you look at the timeline and context of all of the text messages they can all be justified in a logical and plausible way.

I think the Brady not handing over his phone will be a fight the NFLPA is going to take up and it will likely be dependent on how the CBA is written. Don Yee briefly touched on one of the reasons Brady didn't hand over his phone is because he is a union guy and that could open a can of worms. Given the amount of leaks throughout the entire process I think he would have a pretty good case for not handing over his phone.

Jim Colclough fan said:

Predictable...........there will be more and more writers that will finally read the report and see what everyone here has been yelling at the top of their lungs.

To date....they have all been reading the NY headlines and proclaiming guilt. The tide will turn and this week the report will get ripped apart

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Promise?

I would bet that Florio would go berserk if anyone suggested he hand over his phone so that some player's lawyer could scroll through to see who a source for a story might be. This whole idea that people are just supposed to hand over their personal records to anyone who asks for them is outrageous. Anyone who thinks this is a sign of guilt on somebody's part is worse than the people who ask to see them. In this case the sole issue is whether the Patriots tampered with the balls in a single game, the AFCCG. Goodell blew it, Wells blew it and this other stuff is just a distraction.

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:

I emailed Mr. Florio this tidbit earlier today, about Mr. Well's scientists going against the ref's best recollection, to make their numbers look better!

I also explained to him the issue of how the Colts footballs dropped far less in pressure than the ideal gas law demands, that this was also easily explained since they had been in the heated room at halftime for 10 minutes or more and had warmed up, and that this factor alone explains the statistical difference between the sets of footballs.

Hopefully there will be more posts from Mr. Florio today detailing these facts, which detract from the popular story line.

It really is NOT rocket science. The general public CAN understand it, if you explain it clearly in plain English.

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I believe exponent took in account the extra time the colts balls were in
the room, overall they did a good job. The key to beating the wrap is questioning the original readings. I don't believe for a second the colts and patriots gauge set to 12.5/13 matches the ref. Highly doubtful all 3 gauges are in sync, and the idiots never checked.

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:

The inflation data, on the whole, does not implicate the Patriots in the LEAST.

two issues remain: how to interpret the text messages, and how seriously to take Brady's decision not to give up his phone.

The first has issues in just how to interpret texts obviously intended to be humorous. The second, Brady keeping his phone, is perfectly understandable, even considering how Wells used personal texts having nothing to do with ball inflation in his report (discussing a wedding, discussing a gifted football, as examples.

Sharing your phone means that anything can and likely will be leaked, relevant or not. No way you do that, absent a subpeona.

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People make the terrible assumptions:
(A) I did nothing wrong, I should just talk and hand over whatever the police/investigators/prosecutors want.
Wrong, Police, investigators, prosecutors largely do not operate under 'I just want to be fair'. They operate under 'I have a job to do that is often measured by how many arrests/beliefs of guolt/convictions I get'.

(B) This is an authority, I have to cooperate and/or speak.
Wrong, You may be obligated to provide identification and other possible licensing/forms. At that point the next and only words should be "am I free to go?". If the matter is pursued further by these authorities, find legal representation and speak only when advised to by legal representation.

I don't care what the public thinks of your lack of words/documents, never deviate from those rules. And unless Brady signed league papers that legally obligates him to hand over his personal communications, Brady or anyone else is a god damned fool to do so. The legal system is littered with people who felt "they did nothing wrong" or "fully cooperated in good faith", and were put in jeopardy for doing so. Just is what it is...

Wilfork#75 said:

The context to the text messages is all in the report, Wells just chooses not to believe it. I would like to see him justify how he can interpret those text messages differently to the consistent testimony of multiple people. When you look at the timeline and context of all of the text messages they can all be justified in a logical and plausible way.

I think the Brady not handing over his phone will be a fight the NFLPA is going to take up and it will likely be dependent on how the CBA is written. Don Yee briefly touched on one of the reasons Brady didn't hand over his phone is because he is a union guy and that could open a can of worms. Given the amount of leaks throughout the entire process I think he would have a pretty good case for not handing over his phone.

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Yee says he has transcripts from Brady's interview. I hope they make them public because I think you're right and the conversation went something like
Q. will you give us access to your text messages?
A. We can't without a subpoena due to potentially sensitive NFLPA information.
Q. We'll let you control them
A. But we still need a subpoena
In the end this gets interpreted as Brady being uncooperative.

In other word, Well's report is a joke.

libra957 said:

In other word, Well's report is a joke.

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Yes. Wells does flip flops in order to claim evidence is good, and he repeats his mistake from the Miami investigation by ignoring the importance of context. In a court of law, those decisions would likely be fatal to his case. In the court of Goodell, though, only time will tell. History is on the side of it being enough, because Goodell is both a true believer and a crusader, and that's a terrible combination for a man in his position.

Deus Irae said:

Yee's doing the job he's supposed to. The NFLPA and/or Brady will have other attorneys who will deal with the nuts and bolts stuff. Goodell is likely going to look like a fool, once again, if he relies on this report for his ruling.

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I'm amazed that Wells put out a report that a 3rd grader could shred to pieces. This is a big time lawyer who is clearly putting his relationship with the NFL above his own reputation and I never believed he would take that risk or issue a report as unbelievably sorry as this. If the NFL uses it to discipline Brady there is no way it will be upheld.

Ivan said:

I'm amazed that Wells put out a report that a 3rd grader could shred to pieces. This is a big time lawyer who is clearly putting his relationship with the NFL above his own reputation and I never believed he would take that risk or issue a report as unbelievably sorry as this. If the NFL uses it to discipline Brady there is no way it well be upheld.

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When you are offered big $$$$, you usually don't care about reputation.

libra957 said:

In other word, Well's report is a joke.

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Also, realize how Wells used Anderson's testimony:

Anderson's memory is irrelevant when it comes to the "K" ball
Anderson's memory is faulty when it comes to the choice of gages
Anderson's memory is excellent when it comes to remembering the PSI of the Patriots footballs