* The Curse of Tavon Wilson, Part 3 ~ The Revenge!!! *

AzPatsFan · May 5, 2015

patsfaninpa said:
My redraft.

1. Love the Malcom Brown pick. DT and CB were my top 2 priorities.

2. Hated it. Give me Tevin Coleman. Didn't like the corners here.

3. Love the trade back.

3. S. Nelson - CB instead of G. Grissom

4. T. Flowers - DE - Always need pass rushers fine.

4. T. Jackson - G - Need a g. I might have went for J. Douglas. Have to trust Scar here.

4. S. Mason - G - Boogity, boogity, boogity!

5. Kenny Bell - WR - Don't trade back. And, don't take a GD long-snapper.

6. M. Wells - OLB - Seems like a good pick. Don't know a lot about him.

6. A. Chickillo - DE - Basically, another pass-rusher instead of Grissom

7. Didn't trade back from 5

7. D. Roberts - CB - Again. Seems like a really good pick.

Basically , I'm taking Coleman/Nelson/Bell instead of Richards/Grissom/Derby/Navy guy. I didn't see a big need for a TE or SS.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda. BB seemed to be reaching for unexpected gifts from 5 onward.

1. RBs are still a dime a dozen in vet FAs.
2. Grissom is a pass rusher who can play the run, so I disagree. Most pass rushers are never evaluated on that aspect, and are hopeless incompetents defending the run and worse don't want to try.
3. Why a 5th CB/ over another pass rusher? The cupboard was bare by Malcom Brown's selection.
4. There simply is no room at the WR Inn, to spend 3 seasons grooming one. Let the present crop hatch at least.

Comme si, Comme sa.

Off The Grid · May 5, 2015

patsfaninpa said:
My redraft.

1. Love the Malcom Brown pick. DT and CB were my top 2 priorities.

2. Hated it. Give me Tevin Coleman. Didn't like the corners here.

3. Love the trade back.

3. S. Nelson - CB instead of G. Grissom

4. T. Flowers - DE - Always need pass rushers fine.

4. T. Jackson - G - Need a g. I might have went for J. Douglas. Have to trust Scar here.

4. S. Mason - G - Boogity, boogity, boogity!

5. Kenny Bell - WR - Don't trade back. And, don't take a GD long-snapper.

6. M. Wells - OLB - Seems like a good pick. Don't know a lot about him.

6. A. Chickillo - DE - Basically, another pass-rusher instead of Grissom

7. Didn't trade back from 5

7. D. Roberts - CB - Again. Seems like a really good pick.

Basically , I'm taking Coleman/Nelson/Bell instead of Richards/Grissom/Derby/Navy guy. I didn't see a big need for a TE or SS.

I hope you'll submit that in the BackDraft Thread, Brother Penn. You'd be the 1st Entry, this Year.

Off The Grid · May 5, 2015

AzPatsFan said:
I'll sign up as a Tavon Wlson defender. He had more snaps and tackles, as a ST maven than Salter did last year, and more than anyone else. How many other picks are still on the roster of a two time Super Bowl participant over the years of his career?

He might never be the the starter BB hoped to get, but he isn't a big bust, by a long shot either. Continuing and harping on him is like complaining about the horses running free, long after the the barn door was left open.

Chuckling every once in a while about Wilson as I do is hardly the same as harping or complaining, Troll.

It amuses me that you're citing Special Team Snaps in Defense of a 2nd Rounder.

BradyBranch39 · May 7, 2015

Richard Sherman was a late-round pick out of Stanford. Maybe BB saw Richards as a good late-round DB out of Stanford and didn't want to risk it.

FredFromDartmouth · May 8, 2015

I would feel a lot better about Richards if BB did not have such a bad track record in the second and third rounds. He has had some outstanding picks in round 2 and 3 but more bust.

State · May 9, 2015

Richards was taken too high is the consensus. He has the brains and intangibles, but I question his lack of size and athleticism. But I'll defer to Belichick on this one.

Don't get me started, Grif. Tavon Wilson was a WTF pick then...and remains so to this day. I watched a lot of Illinois games back then. It was like watching the Bad News Bears. All that NFL talent on a team that was remarkably poorly coached.

The red flag that no one can dispute is the lack of productivity of Wilson as a three-year starting collegiate: two or three measly INTs. We pass on Casey Hayward, a far better playmaker who had 15 during his time with for the lowly Vandy Commodores. The Packers got him.

Compare the productivity of the two for yourself:
http://www.nfl.com/player/caseyhayward/2532861/profile
http://www.nfl.com/player/tavonwilson/2534830/profile

This ain't Monday morning quarterbacking. This is going straight on their productivity in college. Past is prologue.

I swear Belichick was trying to make a joke and thought, parenthetically, that Wilson's NFL athleticism could be harnessed in ways that it wasn't with the Fighting Illni. Problem is: Wilson has hips of concrete. His straight-line speed was clocked at 4.52 and with good size, he'd have made a good sixth-rounder.

This pick still infuriates me. Richards is fine by me.

FredFromDartmouth · May 9, 2015

State said:
Richards was taken too high is the consensus. He has the brains and intangibles, but I question his lack of size and athleticism. But I'll defer to Belichick on this one.

Don't get me started, Grif. Tavon Wilson was a WTF pick then...and remains so to this day. I watched a lot of Illinois games back then. It was like watching the Bad News Bears. All that NFL talent on a team that was remarkably poorly coached.

The red flag that no one can dispute is the lack of productivity of Wilson as a three-year starting collegiate: two or three measly INTs. We pass on Casey Hayward, a far better playmaker who had 15 during his time with for the lowly Vandy Commodores. The Packers got him.

Compare the productivity of the two for yourself:
http://www.nfl.com/player/caseyhayward/2532861/profile
http://www.nfl.com/player/tavonwilson/2534830/profile

This ain't Monday morning quarterbacking. This is going straight on their productivity in college. Past is prologue.

I swear Belichick was trying to make a joke and thought, parenthetically, that Wilson's NFL athleticism could be harnessed in ways that it wasn't with the Fighting Illni. Problem is: Wilson has hips of concrete. His straight-line speed was clocked at 4.52 and with good size, he'd have made a good sixth-rounder.

This pick still infuriates me. Richards is fine by me.

Yah the Tavon Wilson still defies explanation. Casey Howard was something like defensive rookie of the year, Wilson, less so.

The explanation for Richards is simple; he was a super, ulta, uber Boy Scout in college...but so was Ras I Dowling. I expect that they will have a similar impact on the Patriots.

I get nervous when I see the owner in the draft room, but there he was when Richards was picked. Maybe the super-uber-Boy Scout thing is something that Kraft is now emphasizing, but it will be hard to explain when Richards is relegated to third string next season.

FredFromDartmouth · May 9, 2015

The value of Richards will ultimately come down to how well he does compared to players taken right after him; i.e. players that the Patriots could have taken instead of the super-boy-scout such as:

Indianapolis Colts D'Joun Smith CB
Jacksonville Jaguars A. J. Cann G South Carolina
Seattle Seahawks Tyler Lockett WR Kansas State
Houston Texans Jaelen Strong WR Arizona State
New Orleans Saints P. J. Williams CB Florida State
Detroit Lions Alex Carter CB Stanford

The Richards pick seems like a concession to the owner...

State · May 10, 2015

FredFromDartmouth said:
Yah the Tavon Wilson still defies explanation. Casey Howard was something like defensive rookie of the year, Wilson, less so.

The explanation for Richards is simple; he was a super, ulta, uber Boy Scout in college...but so was Ras I Dowling. I expect that they will have a similar impact on the Patriots.

I get nervous when I see the owner in the draft room, but there he was when Richards was picked. Maybe the super-uber-Boy Scout thing is something that Kraft is now emphasizing, but it will be hard to explain when Richards is relegated to third string next season.

We could have two second-rounders playing mainly special teams. Meanwhile, the Jets get a deep threat in Ohio State's Devin Smith who could immediately Torrey Smith us. Why is this? It's almost as if after the first round, the decisions in the draft should be turned over to a GM Lite, someone like the new guy the Jets have in Mike Maccagnan, who had a remarkable draft in its patience, poise, and astuteness.

I'm going to give Belichick a pass on Jordan Richards, but a wary eye one. I don't remember Richards doing much in the Rose Bowl game two years ago. Five unremarkable tackles. No impact whatsoever other than that.

patsfaninpa · May 10, 2015

State said:
We could have two second-rounders playing mainly special teams. Meanwhile, the Jets get a deep threat in Ohio State's Devin Smith who could immediately Torrey Smith us. Why is this?

It really irritates me when I hear guys throw waste of a 2nd rounder out there. You compare the 64th pick to the 37th pick. You're better than that. In a weak draft, our slot is basically a 3rd round pick. I haven't seen any Richards tape at all. I'm going to wait and see how he does before saying he's not any good. Draft Night I posted that I'd have taken Coleman. That doesn't make me right. Just my opinion. A players career isn't graded on draft night.

AzPatsFan · Jul 17, 2015

captain stone said:
What an absolute piece of rancid garbage drafting by Bill, AGAIN.

I am so feckin pissed-off I am doing everything in my power not to completely explode in anger
in front of my family.

FECK YOU BILL. YOU ARE SO DAMN LUCKY TO HAVE HAD BRADY COVER UP YOUR MANY,
MANY DRAFT FECK-UPS.

Analysis proves that Belichick is one of the best drafters in the League. Sure his gambles sometimes fail, but there was no Safety drafted after Wilson who has done squat. Meanwhile Tavon has become a fine ST player. If he was drafted in the 4-7, he would be a heralded success.

Last time I looked he has made the World Champions for the 4th season,so he is hardly a bust, despite your grousing while your recomendation alternatives are all busted out of the League.

State · Jul 24, 2015

Tavon Wilson has problems covering the pass, not swiveling his hips fast enough. He was badly burned for the Seahawks' winning TD Oct 2012 in Seattle. I think he was exposed that game. He has been used more sparingly, more as a nickel hybrid safety/LB. He fell down the depth chart with a clunk, making his living as a STer.

Such a big weakness seemingly warrants not taking him as high as he was.

There's also an identified weakness in Jordan Richards's game, too, which is mentioned here: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1851154/jordan-richards

For a demonstration of Richards being easily beaten to the corner, go here: http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...t-jordan-richards.1119501/page-8#post-4260113

Not covering a speedy runner who takes the outside corner? With a run-supporting safety taken in the second round? Good grief! That's like a baseball hitter who is great for the big leagues, except for those darn change-ups.

I'm sure there's a way to scheme for Richards's inability to cover the edge one-on-one. Does anyone know what is it? With how thorough the Patriots are with the draft, I'm confident that they're aware of this defect. But maybe they fell in love with the Stanford safety's intelligence and character and passion for the game. The speed in the NFL, though, may make him sometimes look as if he's running in sand.

FredFromDartmouth · Aug 21, 2015

State said:
Tavon Wilson has problems covering the pass, not swiveling his hips fast enough. He was badly burned for the Seahawks' winning TD Oct 2012 in Seattle. I think he was exposed that game. He has been used more sparingly, more as a nickel hybrid safety/LB. He fell down the depth chart with a clunk, making his living as a STer.

Such a big weakness seemingly warrants not taking him as high as he was.

There's also an identified weakness in Jordan Richards's game, too, which is mentioned here: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1851154/jordan-richards

For a demonstration of Richards being easily beaten to the corner, go here: http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...t-jordan-richards.1119501/page-8#post-4260113

Not covering a speedy runner who takes the outside corner? With a run-supporting safety taken in the second round? Good grief! That's like a baseball hitter who is great for the big leagues, except for those darn change-ups.

I'm sure there's a way to scheme for Richards's inability to cover the edge one-on-one. Does anyone know what is it? With how thorough the Patriots are with the draft, I'm confident that they're aware of this defect. But maybe they fell in love with the Stanford safety's intelligence and character and passion for the game. The speed in the NFL, though, may make him sometimes look as if he's running in sand.

Good grief; he shows legs of cement on that play. Did he stumble a bit or mis-read the play or is he really that slow? I can see drafting a safety who may have some coverage weakness, but how can you draft a safety who has no range on running plays. And how do you draft him in the second round?

I trust that the Patriots looked at all the film and this one play was an aberration...otherwise this is a colossal screwup.

manxman2601 · Aug 21, 2015

Are we judging a prospect based on one play now? FWIW, his own defender fell over right in front of Richards which slowed him down. His angle wasn't great however.

Here's a more balanced view of Richards' play from his first pre-season game by Rich Hill, with video. He is what he is, an intelligent safety with some athletic limitations who is better suited to the SS role than a single high FS.

http://www.patspulpit.com/2015/8/17...t=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

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