Dear Robert Kraft

juny · May 8, 2015

Unfortunately there will need to be more a lot more reaction from the fans than us on the message board. Also will need a concerted effort of getting hundreds/thousands of season ticket holders to make their displeasure known to Kraft.
I too am disappointed from the lack of public support from Kraft.

Brewskies · May 8, 2015

AndyJohnson said:
No, he already responded to the leagues move by telling them he will accept any penalty they give.
That is not a strategy, that is cowardice.

I am sorry Andy, Kraft had to say something so he said this is BS but I will accept whatever the league says for punishment. He must say he will accept he has no choice and no appeal. He said it was BS. The now strategy is to wait and see what the league does. Why try to second guess and waist time speculating . So CHILL and wait for the second shoe to fall. Always keep two choices in front of you rather than one.

SteveKiner · May 8, 2015

Kraft should go Al Davis on the league. Al was out there at the end, but before that he was pretty sharp and no one screwed with the Raiders. He was the type of owner that everyone wanted to play for because he had your back. The least little thing that didn't look right to Al and he would haul the NFL in to court and Al always won. Always. No way would he have taken the "Filming from the wrong location"-gate punishment sitting down and there is no way he would take this sh!t sitting down. Kraft should have stood up during "Filming from the wrong location"-gate. Instead he tried to be a good soldier and look what that got him. His brand, NE Patriots, is dragged through the mud and is now used as a punchline for jokes, Cheatriots, Belicheat, etc.
Now, the Patriots are subjected to this farce. It is about time Kraft stood up and said "ENOUGH". Anything less than a scorched earth, Von Clausewitz type response and we are fools for supporting this man and his "product".

Brewskies · May 8, 2015

AndyJohnson said:
No, he already responded to the leagues move by telling them he will accept any penalty they give.
That is not a strategy, that is cowardice.

In the art of negotiation always remember to keep the strategy to allow for two choices not a dead end of one choice. If I could draw a TREE strategy I could show you but I don't know how to do this on the INTERNET within a forum., sorry.

Ring 6 · May 8, 2015

Brewskies said:
I am sorry Andy, Kraft had to say something so he said this is BS but I will accept whatever the league says for punishment. He must say he will accept he has no choice and no appeal. He said it was BS. The now strategy is to wait and see what the league does. Why try to second guess and waist time speculating . So CHILL and wait for the second shoe to fall. Always keep two choices in front of you rather than one.

Totally disagree. Not being able to contest the penalty and announcing we will accept whatever you want to give us are not the same thing,
Please direct me to his comments defending Tom Brady and his outrage for Wells calling Brady, and Krafts other employees liar, without anyone giving any other evidence.
Suck up to Bob if you want, but he blew this one, and it is clearly proof that he chose Goodell over Brady. I understand why, I just disagree.
And while you are thinking their is some genius strategy behind the scenes think back to Spygate and how he bent over for that one too.

IllegalContact · May 8, 2015

AndyJohnson said:
Lets not forget he threw his other meal ticket under the bus in 2007.

which is why he's still here.....LOL

Ring 6 · May 8, 2015

Brewskies said:
In the art of negotiation always remember to keep the strategy to allow for two choices not a dead end of one choice. If I could draw a TREE strategy I could show you but I don't know how to do this on the INTERNET within a forum., sorry.

Its not a negotiation, its a total capitulation.
What part of announcing publicly you will accept whatever they give you and will not question it is a negotiation that is anything but a dead end.
You must misunderstand what Kraft said.

Summary: Go ahead stick it in deep Roger, I'll like it, and Tom, FU youre on your own, I won't question the peopple calling you a lying cheating scum without proof. Sorry, I'm an owner, you are a player and I protect the league, sorry you are on the other side.

Ring 6 · May 8, 2015

IllegalContact said:
which is why he's still here.....LOL

Are you implying he didn't? Are you implying Kraft handled Spygate well?

RxJock1120 · May 8, 2015

Dear Mr. Kraft,

We have watched you take over this team and saw it's rise from the basement to the penthouse. We have watched the value of the franchise grow exponentially. We have seen a young man take over a team with 0 Super Bowl victories, and bring that team to the doorsteps of immortality...and the real fans of this team were there for the 5-11 years and are still there today.
But Mr. Kraft if you continue to string a living legend out to dry, if you continue to ignore the overwhelming calls from the fans to fight for the integrity of this team, if you continue to allow baseless allegations to persist...I whole heartedly promise you Mr. Kraft, the real fans will not forget to return the favor.

IllegalContact · May 8, 2015

LOL......providing Brady doesn't even feel the need to defend himself, I'm not sure why Kraft would be pounding the table with his shoe

this is how the pats do things....they say as little as possible

this notions that Kraft can make a difference for Brady is a joke.....he can't and it's better to say as little as possible

Kraft was speaking for himself........BB is a big boy, he can speak for himself......Brady is also a big boy and can speak for himself

YOUGOTMOSSED · May 8, 2015

Kraft really screwed us all over by speaking up for Goodell when he was proven to be a liar during the Rice scandal. My guess would be that he was trying to get into the commissioner's good graces so we wouldn't ever be the subject of contrived scandals. If so, he really blew it with that move. By vouching for this scumbag, the perception became he and Goodell are in cahoots and Goodell must have let the Pats off easy in cameragate (probably destroyed all sorts of evidence showing their other evils acts).

I really could not imagine how Kraft could have screwed up worse with that move.

Not look where we're at! Goodell, a proven liar, and his shyster NY attorney are being credited over Brady, who has no known history of dishonesty and always can across as a decent humble kid (at least to me).

IllegalContact · May 8, 2015

AndyJohnson said:
Are you implying he didn't? Are you implying Kraft handled Spygate well?

what was he supposed to say? just like now, what the **** is he supposed to say?

you think it matters.....they obviously do not.....I know I don't ever need anyone speaking on my behalf.......maybe you're different

Brewskies · May 8, 2015

AndyJohnson said:
Its not a negotiation, its a total capitulation.
What part of announcing publicly you will accept whatever they give you and will not question it is a negotiation that is anything but a dead end.
You must misunderstand what Kraft said.

Summary: Go ahead stick it in deep Roger, I'll like it, and Tom, FU youre on your own, I won't question the peopple calling you a lying cheating scum without proof. Sorry, I'm an owner, you are a player and I protect the league, sorry you are on the other side.

AndyJohnson said:
Its not a negotiation, its a total capitulation.
What part of announcing publicly you will accept whatever they give you and will not question it is a negotiation that is anything but a dead end.
You must misunderstand what Kraft said.

Summary: Go ahead stick it in deep Roger, I'll like it, and Tom, FU youre on your own, I won't question the people calling you a lying cheating scum without proof. Sorry, I'm an owner, you are a player and I protect the league, sorry you are on the other side.

Sorry Andy, when Kraft said we will accept whatever the league says he was saying it is over. That was a dumb strategy but as an billion dollar owner, not so , but he can't appeal, he should have protected his team and players for another strategy but he didn't so it's a one choice strategy. Kraft sticking it to Roger is now out of the question from a Kraft position, it's over. Brady is another option and staying quiet until the punishment come down is smart.

IllegalContact · May 8, 2015

there's no tact here with so many of you......you think people are supposed to blast away the moment they don't like something......that's not how things work

to many of you, all there is is deflategate.........I can guarantee you there's a hell of alot more to it

brady doesn't need to be defended...........bb doesn't need to be defended.......

Ring 6 · May 8, 2015

IllegalContact said:
what is he supposed to say? just like now, what the **** is he supposed to say?

you think it matters.....they obviously do not.....I know I don't ever need anyone speaking on my behalf.......maybe you're different

Kraft needs to speak out in support of Brady.
If you were accused of something you didn't do in your work place and your boss was able to support you, you would care that he didn't.

You don't seem to realize this is not going real well for Brady. The guy who is supposed to be on his side is MIA. If he said nothing it would be better than saying go ahead and ramp up that penalty, I'm willing to accept whatever you want to give me without a peep.

At the least he should be publicly stating that Brady is not culpable and any penalty at all would be abusive.

Ring 6 · May 8, 2015

Brewskies said:
Sorry Andy, when Kraft said we will accept whatever the league says he was saying it is over. That was a dumb strategy but as an billion dollar owner, not so , but he can't appeal, he should have protected his team and players for another strategy but he didn't so it's a one choice strategy. Kraft sticking it to Roger is now out of the question from a Kraft position, it's over. Brady is another option and staying quiet until the punishment come down is smart.

I'm not cirticizing Brady, I'm criticizing Kraft./

Ring 6 · May 8, 2015

IllegalContact said:
there's no tact here with so many of you......you think people are supposed to blast away the moment they don't like something......that's not how things work

to many of you, all there is is deflategate.........I can guarantee you there's a hell of alot more to it

brady doesn't need to be defended...........bb doesn't need to be defended.......

You have this so wrong.
Kraft simply needed to not bend over, and to make supportive comments. He does not have to defend Brady, he has to voice his opinion, support and belief in Brady. He has not done that.

Otherwise the tough guy stuff is entertaining.
I'm done debating this with you, I find your opinion to be polar opposite of mine, so nothing is served by going back and forth.

IllegalContact · May 8, 2015

AndyJohnson said:
You have this so wrong.
Kraft simply needed to not bend over, and to make supportive comments. He does not have to defend Brady, he has to voice his opinion, support and belief in Brady. He has not done that.

Otherwise the tough guy stuff is entertaining.
I'm done debating this with you, I find your opinion to be polar opposite of mine, so nothing is served by going back and forth.

no....you have it wrong.....it's not about what you think should happen......it is very likely they know better and are on the same page.

rainmaker · May 8, 2015

Remember when the Pats ran onto the field as a TEAM in 2001 Super Bowl...Kraft should learn from those players.

BigEZPatsFan76 · May 8, 2015

SteveKiner said:
Kraft should go Al Davis on the league. Al was out there at the end, but before that he was pretty sharp and no one screwed with the Raiders. He was the type of owner that everyone wanted to play for because he had your back. The least little thing that didn't look right to Al and he would haul the NFL in to court and Al always won. Always. No way would he have taken the "Filming from the wrong location"-gate punishment sitting down and there is no way he would take this sh!t sitting down. Kraft should have stood up during "Filming from the wrong location"-gate. Instead he tried to be a good soldier and look what that got him. His brand, NE Patriots, is dragged through the mud and is now used as a punchline for jokes, Cheatriots, Belicheat, etc.
Now, the Patriots are subjected to this farce. It is about time Kraft stood up and said "ENOUGH". Anything less than a scorched earth, Von Clausewitz type response and we are fools for supporting this man and his "product".

Could not have said it better, my sentiments exactly. We may have had our issues with Al Davis and the Raiders, but I can tell you, Al would NEVER in a millions year but up with this sort of crap happening to his franchise, especially under a weasel like Goddell. He smacked Pete Rozelle around like a rag doll when he didn't like something. What do you think Old Al would do to this weasel (Goddell)? He would have a field day. Unless there is some "grand scheme" that RK is planning in the background that we don't know about, it looks to me like another cave in, and this time TB the fall guy (to save the "shield"). F the fing shield, stand by your organization, Mr. Kraft, and the main player that brought this organization from the out house to the penthouse. Or, maybe it is time for him to go full time chasing bimbos 1/3 his age.

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