Armando Salguero: Ted Wells is not an investigator, he is a prosecutor

Salguero just said on 98.5 that from his experience from the Jonathan Martin experience in Miami that Ted Wells is a "hired gun" and when Goodell hires him, Wells is going to find something to convict the subject of the investigation. He approaches his investigations like a prosecutor and not an investigator. He basically said that Wells' job wasn't to find the truth, but find guilt.

How can you have an independent investigator when they approach the investigation with an agenda? It also goes against Goodell's spin that he was approaching this investigation with an open mind and not assuming guilt. Wells was hired to find the Pats' guilty not to find the truth.

Wells was given a directive: Find evidence that proves that the Pats deflated footballs.

The report found nothing of the sort. That cannot be disputed in any way, shape or form.

“I want to express my appreciation to Ted Wells and his colleagues for performing a thorough and independent investigation, the findings and conclusions of which are set forth in today’s comprehensive report,” Roger Goodell said in a statement on Wednesday

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What a bunch of BS

See to me this is where Kraft should have stepped in months ago, and denied Wells and asked for another attorney. This is where Kraft deserves blame.

Wells is in bed with the league RK should have known this.

robertweathers said:

Wells was given a directive: Find evidence that proves that the Pats deflated footballs.

The report found nothing of the sort. That cannot be disputed in any way, shape or form.

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Unless they found video of someone with a needle in the football, that burden of proof could not be met. Does that mean you just ignore the text messages of someone admitting to being the deflator?

If Ted Wells presented this case in front of a judge, the defense would not have to present a case. The judge would throw the case out as soon as the prosecution rested for failure to make a case at all and then chastise them for wasting the courts time.

TheSparks1 said:

Unless they found video of someone with a needle in the football, that burden of proof could not be met. Does that mean you just ignore the text messages of someone admitting to being the deflator?

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Right. If there was video evidence that McNally went into the locker room and took the balls that were logged at 12.5 psi and while sitting on the can pulled out a needle and dropped them to 11.00 than that would be hard evidence.

The problem is nothing of the sort exists. Might as well be on Mythbusters.

Patriots, Kraft/Brady/Belichick need to pay for an independent review of the Wells Report in my opinion.

Danger Zone said:

Patriots, Kraft/Brady/Belichick need to pay for an independent review of the Wells Report in my opinion.

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Why would they do that when Brady can just take the league to court after punishment gets passed down? Any judge is going to toss that report right out.

Danger Zone said:

Patriots, Kraft/Brady/Belichick need to pay for an independent review of the Wells Report in my opinion.

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Why?

TheSparks1 said:

Unless they found video of someone with a needle in the football, that burden of proof could not be met. Does that mean you just ignore the text messages of someone admitting to being the deflator?

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Or it was a text message of a guy who referred to himself as "The Deflator" once in a series of joking texts with another guy, and in the context of getting chewed out due to balls being way over inflated in a game. Same thing!

KontradictioN said:

Why would they do that when Brady can just take the league to court after punishment gets passed down? Any judge is going to toss that report right out.

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I hear that and understand it.

However, I feel that is separate from getting the message out to the rest of the NFL and the world that Wells was never an independent, impartial fact-finding investigator.

Well's role was NOT as an ombudsman as Goodell is trying to pretend it was, Well's job all along was to find the Patriots guilty of deflating footballs.

The conclusions he came to in his report clearly demonstrate this bias.

robertweathers said:

The problem is nothing of the sort exists. Might as well be on Mythbusters.

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Holy **** dude, how dare you sully the name of the mythbusters. the mythbusters have a thing called credibility. They don't do something and say its correct because someone pays them to say its correct, they do something to find the truth, and tell us whatever science PROVES to be correct. Hell, If wells had gone to the mythbusters and said "fellas here are 11 nfl footballs, you've heard of deflategate right? The patriots have asked for a trial by science. Do your thing." I'd take what the mythbusters say is as close to fact as possible.

robertweathers said:

Right. If there was video evidence that McNally went into the locker room and took the balls that were logged at 12.5 psi and while sitting on the can pulled out a needle and dropped them to 11.00 than that would be hard evidence.

The problem is nothing of the sort exists. Might as well be on Mythbusters.

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The problem with this narrative is the PSI's at halftime fit right in where the Carnegie Mellon Headsmart Lab guys scientific simulation said they would fall. Pesky real science.

chasa said:

Holy **** dude, how dare you sully the name of the mythbusters. the mythbusters have a thing called credibility. They don't do something and say its correct because someone pays them to say its correct, they do something to find the truth, and tell us whatever science PROVES to be correct. Hell, If wells had gone to the mythbusters and said "fellas here are 11 nfl footballs, you've heard of deflategate right? The patriots have asked for a trial by science. Do your thing." I'd take what the mythbusters say is as close to fact as possible.

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Ah! It came out wrong. I meant that the whole PSI thing should have been done on Mythbusters as it would have been on the level, unbiased and completely transparent.

Rob0729 said:

Salguero just said on 98.5 that from his experience from the Jonathan Martin experience in Miami that Ted Wells is a "hired gun" and when Goodell hires him, Wells is going to find something to convict the subject of the investigation. He approaches his investigations like a prosecutor and not an investigator. He basically said that Wells' job wasn't to find the truth, but find guilt.

How can you have an independent investigator when they approach the investigation with an agenda? It also goes against Goodell's spin that he was approaching this investigation with an open mind and not assuming guilt. Wells was hired to find the Pats' guilty not to find the truth.

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Rob, all the rules of business, economics and common sense also apply in the legal industry. If a client is willing to pay several million dollars for an analysis, that analysis is not going to be unfavorable to the client, especially when there is the promise of future business of the same lucrative kind. The analysis is going to present all facts in the light most favorable to the client, which in this case means pinning the blame of a broken league protocol on a couple of bumbling team employees and insinuating that A player was the mastermind. Dont pay so much attention to meaningless labels like "independent" or "investigation." If the Patriots were absolved, the league office would look like a bunch of clowns incapable of putting uniform footballs out on the field. Just follow the money and understand who the client is. In this case--Goodell and the league office, not the Patriots or even the 32 teams collectively. Your naievete on this point continues to surprise.

Dr Pain said:

The problem with this narrative is the PSI's at halftime fit right in where the Carnegie Mellon Headsmart Lab guys scientific simulation said they would fall. Pesky real science.

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Agree 100%. Another logging of the PSI would have been documented after McNally deflated the balls, then another measurement at outside temp.

Now that is hard evidence....which doesn't exist.

letekro said:

Rob, all the rules of business, economics and common sense also apply in the legal industry. If a client is willing to pay several million dollars for an analysis, that analysis is not going to be unfavorable to the client, especially when there is the promise of future business of the same lucrative kind. The analysis is going to present all facts in the light most favorable to the client, which in this case means pinning the blame of a broken league protocol on a couple of bumbling team employees and insinuating that A player was the mastermind. Dont pay so much attention to meaningless labels like "independent" or "investigation." If the Patriots were absolved, the league office would look like a bunch of clowns incapable of putting uniform footballs out on the field. Just follow the money and understand who the client is. In this case--Goodell and the league office, not the Patriots or even the 32 teams collectively. Your naievete on this point continues to surprise.

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I understand this and that is why everyone laughed at the Meuller report on the Ray Rice investigation when it said the League did nothing wrong other than the things they were already caught doing. But of course now, everyone is taking the report as 100% objective and truthful because it is the Patriots.

Danger Zone said:

Patriots, Kraft/Brady/Belichick need to pay for an independent review of the Wells Report in my opinion.

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Isn't Harvard and MIT in Boston? This report is a joke and not only ignores science but offend all those who devoted their time studying it. They should look for a big name in one of those institutions that also happens to be a Pats fan (or not) and just bash this report publicly.

Rob0729 said:

I understand this and that is why everyone laughed at the Meuller report on the Ray Rice investigation when it said the League did nothing wrong other than the things they were already caught doing. But of course now, everyone is taking the report as 100% objective and truthful because it is the Patriots.

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People will always believe what fits their narrative. Even if the report came out and said NE did nothing wrong and there's nothing to see, the narrative from others, basically fans, would have been that Goodell loves Kraft and he's covering for him. I can't wait to see what Brady does after the NFL hands out discipline.

TheSparks1 said:

Unless they found video of someone with a needle in the football, that burden of proof could not be met. Does that mean you just ignore the text messages of someone admitting to being the deflator?

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Deflating a football isn't illegal in the NFL.

Inflating one isn't illegal either.

Tampering with footballs on the field is.

Furthermore, the balls in the AFCCG were right where the PSI should have been according to the Wells report. In other words, they weren't tampered with. They were at expected PSI.