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Hypothetically if Tom and Bill both left that would indicate something seriously wrong happened in relation to the Pats ownership. Then yes I would absolutely root for Tom Brady and Bill Belichick against the Patriots.

I must be bored tonight to be entertaining these thoughts...

By "left," that could just mean retire. But, if BB left and stayed in coaching--yes, something would be very wrong (unless he retired and came back). It wouldn't necessarily be the case with Brady--when Montana left with the 49ers, I don't remember it necessarily being a huge controversy. It would have to be something like him trying to hold on a little too long and having too big of a salary, but I wouldn't automatically assume something was wrong with the organization. But I'm fairly confident he will retire with them.
 
PBPF,

Have you written any analysis of the scientific part of the report? I'd love to see your take on it.

in another thread, but....


points:


1) The scientists hired to study the issue properly calculated the expected pressure drop that occurred due to temperature, assuming an inflation temperature and a halftime temperature. There result was that footballs will lose 1.13 psi in pressure due to the temperature drop.

2) The officials measured the drop in pressure of the Patriots footballs. Using one gauge they measured a drop of 1.39 psi. Using another gauge they measured 1.01 psi. Average: 1.20 psi.

3) We have no way of knowing which of the two gauges, used interchangeably, was used in the pregame analysis where they were set to 12.5 psi by the gauge. Based upon the fact that one gauge always reads 0.4 psi below the other one, and that we don't know which one (if either) was accurate, then the Patriots footballs, pregame, may TRULY have been set at anywhere in the range of 12.1-12.9 psi.

4) The officials measured the drop in pressure four of the Colts footballs. Using one gauge they measured a drop of 0.37 psi. Using another gauge they measured 0.56 psi.

5) The drop in pressure of the Colts footballs is thus inconsistent with the valid scientific prediction that footballs will lose, 1.13 psi in pressure, just due to the temperature drop.

6) For some reason, the fact that the Colts footballs apparently did not obey the laws of physics has not, to this point, concerned anyone. It should. But it is easy to explain! The officials didn't even have time to test all of the Colts footballs because the 13-minute halftime was ending. The Colts footballs had been in the heated room for at least 10 minutes before they were ever tested. They warmed up, maybe halfway to room temperature, which would explain a measurement of about half of the drop that was expected: 1.13/2 = 0.52 psi.

7) The Colts partly warmed-up footballs were used, inappropriately, as the "control" for the earlier-analyzed Patriots footballs. A huge degree of importance was placed into the fact that the difference in the drop in pressure of the Colts footballs vs. the drop in pressure of the Patriots footballs was statistically significant. The key difference in the order in which the two groups of footballs were analyzed, as the latter group had plenty of time to warm up toward room temperature as the larger group was measured in duplicate. This ordering of events could fully account for this statistical significance.

8) The most puzzling evidence is the relatively higher variability of the Patriots footballs. That looks suspicious. But possible explanations, such as that perhaps some Patriots footballs were used in a heavy downpour and some were not used at all, were never considered. They did not consider the "wet football factor" at all, for that matter.

9) Pressure gauges used by the refs varied in accuracy by about 0.4 psi. The Patriots footballs dropped in pressure in the range of 1.01-1.39 psi. This range encompasses the expected number, based only on temperature, of a 1.13 psi drop. The accuracy of the gauge is +0.4, so saying that 1.13 psi is truly different than 1.20 psi (or even 1.39 psi) is shaky at best.

I do not see scientific grounds for saying that the Patriots footballs were, on average, outside of expected norms, just based upon the data provided.

The scientific basis for such a serious accusation falls short of anywhere near the level of certainty that one would reasonably demand in order to issue a serious punishment, or any punishment at all, frankly.
 
I did say if Brady was suspended for one or two games. I don't think they'd win 11 or 12 the first year with Garoppolo (though they did win 11 with Cassel), but they might not win 11 or 12 even if Brady plays every game next year. The division is getting tougher (not that it could get much weaker). Favre wasn't hated as much because he didn't win as much, though his retirement-non retirement routine was starting to wear on people. Montana---well, that's a tougher one. But I think if they were playing today, he might have been as hated (though the fact Brady has a model wife adds to the hate too--plus to tuck rule, which is stupid to hold against him). I grew up hating the Cowboys largely because they were perennially good. But the question still remains--do you think the haters are going to hate brady less if he isn't suspended?

Once again, if the only way to prevent him from being seen as a "system QB" is for them to lose after he is gone, well, I'm not going to hope for them to lose. I continue to think the people who are that stupid will hate him no matter what, and just chalk them up to being ignoramuses. I still insist that anyone who would actually believe that doesn't know football very well--systems don't explain one making game winning drive after game winning drive, or clutch throw after clutch throw. One still has to execute.

I am convinced that the Pats can win 11 games without Brady, because I do believe Garrapolo is pretty good. My issue is how haters will continue to discredit Brady's success, when Garrapolo becomes successful. The haters are gonna hate regardless if Tom gets suspended or not. He shouldn't be suspended because he didn't do anything wrong, except complain about a football, signed autographs and checked on the equipment staff after deflategate blew up. So to watch Brunell, in January, crying on ESPN because Brady says he's innocent and other hasbeens blowing up over Brady's innocence is insane. If this were any other Patriot (outside of Belichick) this story would've died when it started.

I don't want the pats to lose. I'm just convinced that the reason the Pats are under attack is because Brady is their QB and people seem to truly hate him. I do not believe the Pats will be as hated once Brady is gone, but the media will continue discredit Brady's success and continue to state that his SBs are tainted and he will go down as the biggest cheater in the game and that pisses me off more than any suspension that he does or does not get.
 
Well, if this were totally true, would you pull for them against the Patriots if they (Heaven forbid) ended up on a different team than the pats? I would root for them against everybody but the pats, but not against the pats (unless perhaps they really got burned by the ownership or something). I admit it will never feel the same after they are gone, but I rooted for them before they were there and I'd root for them after, especially if Kraft was the owner.

If a Belichick/Brady team went against the Pats, I'm honestly not sure who I would pull for. Probably Belichick/Brady. Would be tough, and I can't be totally sure unless it happens.
 
I just hope to god he isn't even suspended one game.... I had planned on going to the opening night game to see Brady and the Pats play for the first time and now Brady might not be playing! Might have to unbook those days off......

"A rope, a tree, hang the head of the league!" If I manage tickets to the game I will be doing my best to start this chant.
 
I am convinced that the Pats can win 11 games without Brady, because I do believe Garrapolo is pretty good. My issue is how haters will continue to discredit Brady's success, when Garrapolo becomes successful. The haters are gonna hate regardless if Tom gets suspended or not. He shouldn't be suspended because he didn't do anything wrong, except complain about a football, signed autographs and checked on the equipment staff after deflategate blew up. So to watch Brunell, in January, crying on ESPN because Brady says he's innocent and other hasbeens blowing up over Brady's innocence is insane. If this were any other Patriot (outside of Belichick) this story would've died when it started.

I don't want the pats to lose. I'm just convinced that the reason the Pats are under attack is because Brady is their QB and people seem to truly hate him. I do not believe the Pats will be as hated once Brady is gone, but the media will continue discredit Brady's success and continue to state that his SBs are tainted and he will go down as the biggest cheater in the game and that pisses me off more than any suspension that he does or does not get.

I think you are on to something about people generally hating Brady more than anything, BUT I do think much of the reason they hate him is because he is the star face of a winning team. Having the model wife kind of added to it. They do complain of him being a whiner and all that, but once again, they wouldn't care or notice if he wasn't on a winning team. BUT a lot of people don't like BB either. I think he has just as many haters as Brady does.

The hatred for Brady is very selective--the guy continually restructures his contract, the lesser players say he is willing to give them extra help to help them be successful, he has sought very little commercial money and insisted that his line be featured with him on many commercials he did do, etc. etc. If he was their QB, they would love him.
 
Hypothetically if Tom and Bill both left that would indicate something seriously wrong happened in relation to the Pats ownership. Then yes I would absolutely root for Tom Brady and Bill Belichick against the Patriots.

If I were Tom, and did not get a strong public backing from Kraft, then I would demand to be released from my contract. Tom has been a 'loyal soldier' -- and he's taken pay discounts & contract restructurings to their benefit -- so if he's not getting ownership support, then what's the point of doing them favors
 
If he is suspended even one game, we riot.
 
in another thread, but....


points:


1) The scientists hired to study the issue properly calculated the expected pressure drop that occurred due to temperature, assuming an inflation temperature and a halftime temperature. There result was that footballs will lose 1.13 psi in pressure due to the temperature drop.

2) The officials measured the drop in pressure of the Patriots footballs. Using one gauge they measured a drop of 1.39 psi. Using another gauge they measured 1.01 psi. Average: 1.20 psi.

3) We have no way of knowing which of the two gauges, used interchangeably, was used in the pregame analysis where they were set to 12.5 psi by the gauge. Based upon the fact that one gauge always reads 0.4 psi below the other one, and that we don't know which one (if either) was accurate, then the Patriots footballs, pregame, may TRULY have been set at anywhere in the range of 12.1-12.9 psi.

4) The officials measured the drop in pressure four of the Colts footballs. Using one gauge they measured a drop of 0.37 psi. Using another gauge they measured 0.56 psi.

5) The drop in pressure of the Colts footballs is thus inconsistent with the valid scientific prediction that footballs will lose, 1.13 psi in pressure, just due to the temperature drop.

6) For some reason, the fact that the Colts footballs apparently did not obey the laws of physics has not, to this point, concerned anyone. It should. But it is easy to explain! The officials didn't even have time to test all of the Colts footballs because the 13-minute halftime was ending. The Colts footballs had been in the heated room for at least 10 minutes before they were ever tested. They warmed up, maybe halfway to room temperature, which would explain a measurement of about half of the drop that was expected: 1.13/2 = 0.52 psi.

7) The Colts partly warmed-up footballs were used, inappropriately, as the "control" for the earlier-analyzed Patriots footballs. A huge degree of importance was placed into the fact that the difference in the drop in pressure of the Colts footballs vs. the drop in pressure of the Patriots footballs was statistically significant. The key difference in the order in which the two groups of footballs were analyzed, as the latter group had plenty of time to warm up toward room temperature as the larger group was measured in duplicate. This ordering of events could fully account for this statistical significance.

8) The most puzzling evidence is the relatively higher variability of the Patriots footballs. That looks suspicious. But possible explanations, such as that perhaps some Patriots footballs were used in a heavy downpour and some were not used at all, were never considered. They did not consider the "wet football factor" at all, for that matter.

9) Pressure gauges used by the refs varied in accuracy by about 0.4 psi. The Patriots footballs dropped in pressure in the range of 1.01-1.39 psi. This range encompasses the expected number, based only on temperature, of a 1.13 psi drop. The accuracy of the gauge is +0.4, so saying that 1.13 psi is truly different than 1.20 psi (or even 1.39 psi) is shaky at best.

I do not see scientific grounds for saying that the Patriots footballs were, on average, outside of expected norms, just based upon the data provided.

The scientific basis for such a serious accusation falls short of anywhere near the level of certainty that one would reasonably demand in order to issue a serious punishment, or any punishment at all, frankly.
Absolutely correct, there are so many variable to consider that the difference is statistically inconsequential. Unfortunately, like the rest of the world Wells has discarded any and all evidence that cleared Tom and put a lot of stock in the text messages.
 
"A rope, a tree, hang the head of the league!" If I manage tickets to the game I will be doing my best to start this chant.

I agree. The proper punishment to be handed out for Deflategate is to fire Roger Goodell
 
February showed the league that the only way to stop the Pats from being the lead SB contender is to remove TFB from the lineup causing losses such that the one seed is not achievable. Credit ex-Jet Goodell for facing up to this and having the courage of his convictions and taking the needed actions to prevent another Patriots Lombardi which will drive fans of the other 31 teams to abandoning the league in despair.
 
1) The scientists hired to study the issue properly calculated the expected pressure drop that occurred due to temperature, assuming an inflation temperature and a halftime temperature. There result was that footballs will lose 1.13 psi in pressure due to the temperature drop.

2) The officials measured the drop in pressure of the Patriots footballs. Using one gauge they measured a drop of 1.39 psi. Using another gauge they measured 1.01 psi. Average: 1.20 psi.

3) We have no way of knowing which of the two gauges, used interchangeably, was used in the pregame analysis where they were set to 12.5 psi by the gauge. Based upon the fact that one gauge always reads 0.4 psi below the other one, and that we don't know which one (if either) was accurate, then the Patriots footballs, pregame, may TRULY have been set at anywhere in the range of 12.1-12.9 psi.

4) The officials measured the drop in pressure four of the Colts footballs. Using one gauge they measured a drop of 0.37 psi. Using another gauge they measured 0.56 psi.

5) The drop in pressure of the Colts footballs is thus inconsistent with the valid scientific prediction that footballs will lose, 1.13 psi in pressure, just due to the temperature drop.

6) For some reason, the fact that the Colts footballs apparently did not obey the laws of physics has not, to this point, concerned anyone. It should. But it is easy to explain! The officials didn't even have time to test all of the Colts footballs because the 13-minute halftime was ending. The Colts footballs had been in the heated room for at least 10 minutes before they were ever tested. They warmed up, maybe halfway to room temperature, which would explain a measurement of about half of the drop that was expected: 1.13/2 = 0.52 psi.

7) The Colts partly warmed-up footballs were used, inappropriately, as the "control" for the earlier-analyzed Patriots footballs. A huge degree of importance was placed into the fact that the difference in the drop in pressure of the Colts footballs vs. the drop in pressure of the Patriots footballs was statistically significant. The key difference in the order in which the two groups of footballs were analyzed, as the latter group had plenty of time to warm up toward room temperature as the larger group was measured in duplicate. This ordering of events could fully account for this statistical significance.

8) The most puzzling evidence is the relatively higher variability of the Patriots footballs. That looks suspicious. But possible explanations, such as that perhaps some Patriots footballs were used in a heavy downpour and some were not used at all, were never considered. They did not consider the "wet football factor" at all, for that matter.

9) Pressure gauges used by the refs varied in accuracy by about 0.4 psi. The Patriots footballs dropped in pressure in the range of 1.01-1.39 psi. This range encompasses the expected number, based only on temperature, of a 1.13 psi drop. The accuracy of the gauge is +0.4, so saying that 1.13 psi is truly different than 1.20 psi (or even 1.39 psi) is shaky at best.

I do not see scientific grounds for saying that the Patriots footballs were, on average, outside of expected norms, just based upon the data provided.

The scientific basis for such a serious accusation falls short of anywhere near the level of certainty that one would reasonably demand in order to issue a serious punishment, or any punishment at all, frankly.

Great science post as always.
Haven't read the Wells report but if they did not include a chart or some other means of showing the Error Bars range, detail the initial settings (and location i.e. ambient temp) of each team's balls, and discuss the fact that at halftime the time @ temperature of the Colts balls vs the Pats balls was different or unknown then their analysis is a hit piece, not science. The only scientific conclusion is that the Pats footballs were within the range of expectation from natural events.
 
I don't believe any suspension would be for more than a game or two and I don't believe any suspension would be upheld, however if it were I would support Brady 100% in retiring from football on the spot. It would be the ultimate FU to the league, the media, and the Kraft's, who clearly don't appreciate everything he has done for this franchise. Telling them all to take their sh.tty league and shove it up their collective asses is exactly what is called for, and rather than Brady losing out the league would lose its best player, the media would lose a ratings magnet, and the Kraft's the best player they will ever have.

I'm disgusted the Kraft's have made no effort to rebuke the league for their rigged investigation and report and have made no effort to support Brady. I have called their media relations department to express my disgust to them and at this point the only other thing I can do is to never but any NFL merchandize ever again, and that's never going to change.
 
If he is suspended even one game, we riot.

fans should boycott the first game then. this is a witch hunt.
if only epsn had the same interest in more serious matters like domestic violence, or dui's.

instead they pay all attention into a little air coming out of a football. " investigations, circumstantial evidence....you'd think brady was aaron hernandez.
 
I don't believe any suspension would be for more than a game or two and I don't believe any suspension would be upheld, however if it were I would support Brady 100% in retiring from football on the spot. It would be the ultimate FU to the league, the media, and the Kraft's, who clearly don't appreciate everything he has done for this franchise. Telling them all to take their sh.tty league and shove it up their collective asses is exactly what is called for, and rather than Brady losing out the league would lose its best player, the media would lose a ratings magnet, and the Kraft's the best player they will ever have.

I'm disgusted the Kraft's have made no effort to rebuke the league for their rigged investigation and report and have made no effort to support Brady. I have called their media relations department to express my disgust to them and at this point the only other thing I can do is to never but any NFL merchandize ever again, and that's never going to change.
I remember when I was younger my dad would always call Kraft "greedy" and a "weasel". This began during and shortly after Parcells. I never quite understood why he felt so strongly until more recent years.
 
BS.

IF TB is suspended ... ALL 53 players come out on the field with only one guy out front (captain*) for the coin toss. BB tells the head ref, you let him take the toss and play or the other 52 stay on the sidelines too.

They can either make them forfeit the game and write off every single advertising $ or take their suspension back up their azzes.

Actually recognizing the suspension just empowers the insanity, try ignoring go-to-hell instead.

*TB for the slow on the uptake.
No.. you just press on... the league would be forced to force Kraft to sell the team, and BB would be kicked out of the league.. and it is not fair to the rest of the team that wants to play... I know people are emotional but let's have common sense..
 
If Brady is suspended the pats should just take a knee on every down in the first game. Totally ruin that opening game for the league in protest
That is absurd.... If a stunt like that was ever pulled BB would be banned for life with no HOF.and the team would probably lose two years of draft picks... the franchise would be torn down and completely disgraced... and what about the rest of the team that wants to play football??? F THEM???? don't they have a say... the mania surrounding this is unprecedented..

And what about the people who travel to the game and plop down a bunch of hundreds to fly over, get tickets, and want to see a game???

Do you really think this is a. plausible action?? Really??
 
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