Why is nobody using common sense

Here is what the thread supposed to read before my 2yr old hit my phone;

Maybe I am off base here, but for the life of me I cannot understand the following two common sense points;

1) you cannot use the colts balls as a control group unless you know;
A. The balls reached equilibrium temp before measurement at the beginning of game as did the pats.
B. The balls were measured at the same time as the pats were at half time (what likely happened are the balls warmed up closer to room temp near the end of half)

2. What I still don't understand why nobody brings up the fact the ideal gas law accounts for most of the deflation of the pats ball. Are they stating the ball attendant removed ~.3 psi of air only for a couple of balls? This makes zero sense to me.

These two points adds major holes in my mind.

Dougkdp said:

Maybe I am off base here, but for the life of me I cannot understand the following two common sense points; (

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I'm having a hard time, too.

Dougkdp said:

Maybe I am off base here, but for the life of me I cannot understand the following two common sense points; (

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Let me help:
First is a semicolon
Second is the opening half of a set of parentheses

Your welcome.

Common sense and rational behavior is based on personal and professional accountability. If u do not hold yourself to a standard of speech and/or behavior that is acceptable and those within your professional group do not hold u accountable, u start saying n doing anything u please. Case in point: Ron Borges, Shannon Sharpe etc etc

Dougkdp said:

Maybe I am off base here, but for the life of me I cannot understand the following two common sense points; (

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its like a dozen of eggs......to bad.

The last point seems to be ~ and I haven't the time to find it.

Common sense has been kinda faded out over the years. At a recent commanders call our commander talked about going back to using common sense. Wonder how that came to be voted out in the first place...

AFC - Championship game, the NFL thinks via tip from the Colts that there could be a issue with the Ball PSI.

Why didn't they recheck the Ball's on the sidelines just prior to kickoff?

The answer is.... The NFL was more concerned with catching the Patriots than playing the first half of the AFC Championship game with footballs with the proper psi.

If this was court I think they would get torn apart on the details. But this is one perspective, and hardly anybody is going to look at the underlying evidence.

Experts said they did it, the TV said so.

Froob said:

Common sense has been kinda faded out over the years. At a recent commanders call our commander talked about going back to using common sense. Wonder how that came to be voted out in the first place...

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political correctness thats how.

Hernandez would be a free man today if Wells was the prosecutor.

Patriot Missile said:

Hernandez would be a free man today if Wells was the prosecutor.

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It's more probable than not that Aaron Hernandez would be the Chief of Police if Ted Wells was the prosecutor in his case.

Dougkdp said:

Here is what the thread supposed to read before my 2yr old hit my phone;

Maybe I am off base here, but for the life of me I cannot understand the following two common sense points;

1) you cannot use the colts balls as a control group unless you know;
A. The balls reached equilibrium temp before measurement at the beginning of game as did the pats.
B. The balls were measured at the same time as the pats were at half time (what likely happened are the balls warmed up closer to room temp near the end of half)

2. What I still don't understand why nobody brings up the fact the ideal gas law accounts for most of the deflation of the pats ball. Are they stating the ball attendant removed ~.3 psi of air only for a couple of balls? This makes zero sense to me.

These two points adds major holes in my mind.

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I would like to add that the manner/differences in how each team breaks the balls in could also be a factor that nobody is paying any attention to. In essence, teams put these balls through all kinds of abuse (some more so than others) in breaking them in. I'd like to see some science on if the differences in how these balls get broken in could also affect their ability to maintain psi, especially when exposed to temperature and weather conditions.

Finally and sadly, I've learned that the concept of common sense is a myth. It turns out that good sense isn't common at all. Mediocrity dominates the intellectual spectrum.

I think much can be explained through jealousy and rational ignorance. They don't like Brady, he's rich and stomps their team. They aren't going to read a 240 page report because they don't care, not their ox getting gored. Experts said he's guilty, who would spend the time to run the numbers?

Nobody knows or cares that the evidence is weak to non-existent. Nobody knows or cares that we are talking .3 psi in a few balls with generous assumptions.

People have better stuff to do than look into it.

PYPER said:

I would like to add that the manner/differences in how each team breaks the balls in could also be a factor that nobody is paying any attention to. In essence, teams put these balls through all kinds of abuse (some more so than others) in breaking them in. I'd like to see some science on if the differences in how these balls get broken in could also affect their ability to maintain psi, especially when exposed to temperature and weather conditions.

Finally and sadly, I've learned that the concept of common sense is a myth. It turns out that good sense isn't common at all. Mediocrity dominates the intellectual spectrum.

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Belichick spoke about the procedure the Patriots use for breaking balls in, and talked in detail about the effects on the PSI of the balls. I know there was some lip service in the appendix given to the effects on air pressure due to rubbing but it was never taken into account when coming up with the datasets. The ONLY conclusion I can draw, given some of the language in the report and the company used as science experts, is that they found what they wanted to find.

And I'm with the OP on point two as well, I've been beating that drum since the report came out. Even if we take their numbers at face value we're talking about .1-.3 psi of variance from the expected values (excluding any rubbing process, excluding the Colts balls being measured after the Pats balls...excluding a LOT of factors that could play into the variance)...we're literally talking about the psi that a ball loses when you simply gauge test it, that's not 'deflating' the damn balls. Did McNally (and by extension Brady) really risk a huge scandal over .1-.3 psi? It's so ****ing preposterous!

But yeah, let's examine context-devoid text messages from a year ago, that's more relevant!

We do not even know what the starting PSI before the game was before the game started. They are going based on the memory of Walt Anderson who couldn't remember if he signed all the K Balls. How do really know how much any of the balls dropped when we don't know the pre game PSI for any of the balls.

I love how Wells took everything Anderson and every NFL employee said as unimpeachable yet virtually everything that might have exonerated Brady and the Patriots were doubted in the Wells report.

why the lack of common sense?

by fans: jealousy, envy
by media: they are attention whores

The NFL, like a young girls heart, wants what it wants! They wanted a Framejob, they got a FRAMEGATE. Now if only someone would inflate the balls on the Patriots front office to point out all the flaws in the report instead of shrugging and saying Oh, well, just slide it in quick and get it over with.

Patriot Missile said:

Hernandez would be a free man today if Wells was the prosecutor.

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And he would have also managed to throw the blame on Odin Lloyd somehow..

hambone1818 said:

Belichick spoke about the procedure the Patriots use for breaking balls in, and talked in detail about the effects on the PSI of the balls. I know there was some lip service in the appendix given to the effects on air pressure due to rubbing but it was never taken into account when coming up with the datasets. The ONLY conclusion I can draw, given some of the language in the report and the company used as science experts, is that they found what they wanted to find.

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I'm not going to defend Exponent's overall stuff, but they did address that and it wasn't lip service. They said that the NE rubbing procedure added 0.7 PSI to the ball, but that it dissipated within 15-20 minutes. They said that from when NE rubbed the balls to when the officials measured them at "check-in" was well over 20 minutes and therefore the effect would be irrelevant because it would be gone by the time the balls were measured.