Patriots Fan Response

RxJock1120 · May 7, 2015

I know we all have a substantial vested interest in this team and we need to come up with a fan response to this ridiculous witchhunt. While I am not 100% sure of what the best response would be, my initial suggestion would be for anyone planning to watch the first game of the season at home, to avoid doing so. I would greatly encourage everyone to still attend the game, but to boycott the airing of the game. If we can get a substantial decline in ratings, this would send a message the NFL could not ignore...because fans and rating are what clearly drive the decision making process. I am definitely open to further suggestions, however I unconditionally believe that there needs to be a public display of fan frustration. Thoughts?

ctpatsfan1 · May 7, 2015

RxJock1120 said:
I know we all have a substantial vested interest in this team and we need to come up with a fan response to this ridiculous witchhunt. While I am not 100% sure of what the best response would be, my initial suggestion would be for anyone planning to watch the first game of the season at home, to avoid doing so. I would greatly encourage everyone to still attend the game, but to boycott the airing of the game. If we can get a substantial decline in ratings, this would send a message the NFL could not ignore...because fans and rating are what clearly drive the decision making process. I am definitely open to further suggestions, however I unconditionally believe that there needs to be a public display of fan frustration. Thoughts?

I disagree. Let's set the facts straight:

1. The Patriots balls whether by nature or intent were all below (on both test gauges utilized) the legal limit per the rules. The Colts balls tested were within the legal limit by at least one of the gauges utilized. End of story. Everything else is extraneous and irrelevant.

The rules are the rules, they broke them, someone needs to be punished. In this case it looks as if it will be Brady and the two locker room flunkies. Is the federal case the haters are making it out to be, not even close but it is what it is.

Pats need to be sure the balls stay at the 12.5 psi or higher level throughout the game so they need to start at a higher level to begin with. They also need to setup a process of chain of custody to be sure there is no foul play and it needs to be documented.

Call it a learning experience, call it BS because I am certain there are other teams doing it in the league, whatever the Pats, like camera location-gate, got caught and now must pay the piper. I'll say it again, it is what it is. Circle the wagons, its the league verse the Pats, I for one can't wait to see how this all plays out this year, here's hoping for another 2007 but with a 19-0 outcome.

SeanBruschi54 · May 7, 2015

ctpatsfan1 said:
I disagree. Let's set the facts straight:

1. The Patriots balls whether by nature or intent were all below (on both test gauges utilized) the legal limit per the rules. The Colts balls tested were within the legal limit by at least one of the gauges utilized. End of story. Everything else is extraneous and irrelevant.

The rules are the rules, they broke them, someone needs to be punished. In this case it looks as if it will be Brady and the two locker room flunkies. Is the federal case the haters are making it out to be, not even close but it is what it is.

Pats need to be sure the balls stay at the 12.5 psi or higher level throughout the game so they need to start at a higher level to begin with. They also need to setup a process of chain of custody to be sure there is no foul play and it needs to be documented.

Call it a learning experience, call it BS because I am certain there are other teams doing it in the league, whatever the Pats, like camera location-gate, got caught and now must pay the piper. I'll say it again, it is what it is. Circle the wagons, its the league verse the Pats, I for one can't wait to see how this all plays out this year, here's hoping for another 2007 but with a 19-0 outcome.

Beautifully stated.

Patriots/Brady not wining no matter what they pull or say. Get used to it fellow Pats Fans we're going to be called Cheaters by people for a very long time even if guys like Edelman, Hightower, Mayo, Mccourty etc work their asses off its not going to matter in the eyes of the public.

patsfan13 · May 7, 2015

Wrong it is not BS the company that did the so called test had NO BASELINE to work off of other than the MEMORY of Old Walt Anderson.

The company hired has a history of being hired guns for people like the Tobacco & Auto manf in lawsuits. They never talked to scientist who had done the calculations and experiments at places like MIT and Carnage Mellon. They also can't account for the fact that PSI is lost when the balls are measured and the temp difference when the Pats balls were measured first while the Colts balls had more time to warm up.

This was a railroad job and the fans should respond to defend Brady, since our feckless owner is bending Brady over for Goodell.

RxJock1120 · May 7, 2015

ctpatsfan1 said:
I disagree. Let's set the facts straight:

1. The Patriots balls whether by nature or intent were all below (on both test gauges utilized) the legal limit per the rules. The Colts balls tested were within the legal limit by at least one of the gauges utilized. End of story. Everything else is extraneous and irrelevant.

The rules are the rules, they broke them, someone needs to be punished. In this case it looks as if it will be Brady and the two locker room flunkies. Is the federal case the haters are making it out to be, not even close but it is what it is.

Pats need to be sure the balls stay at the 12.5 psi or higher level throughout the game so they need to start at a higher level to begin with. They also need to setup a process of chain of custody to be sure there is no foul play and it needs to be documented.

Call it a learning experience, call it BS because I am certain there are other teams doing it in the league, whatever the Pats, like camera location-gate, got caught and now must pay the piper. I'll say it again, it is what it is. Circle the wagons, its the league verse the Pats, I for one can't wait to see how this all plays out this year, here's hoping for another 2007 but with a 19-0 outcome.

Footballs have to be inflated to 12.5 psi BEFORE the game, for the referees to inspect...nothing in the report suggests this wasn't done...so there are no rules broken there.

Their is, no rule that states the football must be maintained between 12.5 and 13.5 psi during game play...so there are no rules broken there.

At half time, the footballs were measured, most found to be underinflated, and we're subsequently reinflated...so no rules were broken there.

There is no evidence or admission by anyone involved that there was tampering with the footballs...So remind me again what rules were broken??

hornetfb85 · May 7, 2015

My Response:

Couldn't care less if Brady somewhat knew, probably knew, more than likely knew, could have known or was caught with the needle himself....We are the Champ's....All I care about. But that's just my opinion of course.

patsfan13 · May 7, 2015

Now as to the response. The Patriots will be opening the game at Foxboro. The game will be in prime time with the entire nation watching. There will be concerts and festivities at the stadium pre game, they will be broadcast as part of the show. Fans are used as cast extras and props for the Goodell show.

We fans should boycott opening night' let NBC broadcast their pregame show with no one present in the parting lot to be cast members for their show. Let the game be played in an empty stadium.

Give the collective finger of the Patriot fanbase to the NFL and the country, if Brady is suspended.

Brady is the GOAT QB and the second best team sport player I have seen in any sport (Bill Russell is still my #1)> He is being dragged through the mud to protect Goodell and Kensil, we who have enjoyed the excellence he has brought to this franchise should support him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ctpatsfan1 · May 7, 2015

RxJock1120 said:
Footballs have to be inflated to 12.5 psi BEFORE the game, for the referees to inspect...nothing in the report suggests this wasn't done...so there are no rules broken there.

Their is, no rule that states the football must be maintained between 12.5 and 13.5 psi during game play...so there are no rules broken there.

At half time, the footballs were measured, most found to be underinflated, and we're subsequently reinflated...so no rules were broken there.

There is no evidence or admission by anyone involved that there was tampering with the footballs...So remind me again what rules were broken??

Letter of the law versus spirit of the law. Had the Pats footballs changed by relatively the same amount as the Colts footballs over the game as measured at half I would say fine you have a case. They changed by twice as much. Someone did something to those footballs, to suggest otherwise is to deny logic. All you are doing is creating reasonable doubt.......to bad this isn't a court of law its the NFL, a corporation, and reasonable doubt doesn't play in that venue, politics does and int his case the clique in the NFL's corporate office that hates the Patriots, Kraft and Belichick won this battle.

patsfan13 · May 7, 2015

ctpatsfan1 said:
Letter of the law versus spirit of the law. Had the Pats footballs changed by relatively the same amount as the Colts footballs over the game as measured at half I would say fine you have a case. They changed by twice as much. Someone did something to those footballs, to suggest otherwise is to deny logic. All you are doing is creating reasonable doubt.......to bad this isn't a court of law its the NFL, a corporation, and reasonable doubt doesn't play in that venue, politics does and int his case the clique in the NFL's corporate office that hates the Patriots, Kraft and Belichick won this battle.

No written base line for the differences between the ball used by the Colts (who KNEW the balls would be measured later) and the Pats balls, therefor no on can say whether there were differences in the deflation of the PAts balls and the balls used by the Colts.

Try turning a paper in physics class when you cannot provide written baselines to support the observed results. I guarantee you will get an F for the paper.

juny · May 7, 2015

ctpatsfan1 said:
Letter of the law versus spirit of the law. Had the Pats footballs changed by relatively the same amount as the Colts footballs over the game as measured at half I would say fine you have a case. They changed by twice as much. Someone did something to those footballs, to suggest otherwise is to deny logic. All you are doing is creating reasonable doubt.......to bad this isn't a court of law its the NFL, a corporation, and reasonable doubt doesn't play in that venue, politics does and int his case the clique in the NFL's corporate office that hates the Patriots, Kraft and Belichick won this battle.

The Colts footballs were measured after the Patriots. (In fact, the refs ran out of time to measure all of the COlts footballs). The extra time to warm up in room temperature could explain why the drop in pressure was less than the Pats.
The Wells report even stated that 11.32-11.52 is the expected value for pressure given the tempearture change from indoors to game time temps. According to one gauge used by the two refs, 8/11 were in that spec, and the others only tenths of a psi off.

patsfan13 · May 7, 2015

BTW the entire Patriot team should go Marshawn Lynch on Media outlet/members who have smeared TFB, to support their teammate.

RxJock1120 · May 7, 2015

ctpatsfan1 said:
Had the Pats footballs changed by relatively the same amount as the Colts footballs over the game as measured at half I would say fine you have a case. They changed by twice as much.

1. No the Patriots footballs did not "change by twice as much", you made that up.
2. The footballs "changed by twice as much" from what starting point??? From an arbitrary inflation point the report assumed!!! No recording were actually done about what the inflation of the footballs started at.
3. Only 4 of the Colts football were assessed, for no real reason...ohh that's right they didn't "have time" to check all the Colts fotballs...keeping in mind they had time for 2 independent measurements of all the Patriots football!!! And then again, there is nothing to compare the footballs pressure drop to.

So what exactly is it that we should accept???

Amazon4 · May 7, 2015

I'm sick of the Pats hate, but it's not going to go away in my life time, even if the Pats are in the basement for the next 30 years.

I've read the report. The way I sum it up is, they believed everything out of Walt's mouth, and nothing from Brady. Brady wouldn't turn over his cell phone (they sounded pretty butt hurt about this). I don't blame him - "show me a court order.... I'm Tom F'ing Brady"

It appears an NFL employee is beyond reproach (stolen game balls, cough) vs. a Patriots employee.

How they can have a PSI rule, and enforce it, without logging measurements and other such controls is beyond me. It makes the league look like idiots. A real defense attorney would have this thrown out in a second.

I planned on going to opening night (my bro has season tix). I really wanted to see the 4th banner raised. Wondering now if I'll take a pass. I'm so angry at the NFL. If they suspend Brady, every fan there should turn their backs - literally. Or just not show up - which I think is much less likely.

I understand that being present in the media is "good" the for the NFL - but doing this to Brady is ridiculous.

I'll be at Salem State tonight. Should be "interesting".

patsbrasilpatriotas · May 7, 2015

ctpatsfan1 said:
I disagree. Let's set the facts straight:

1. The Patriots balls whether by nature or intent were all below (on both test gauges utilized) the legal limit per the rules. The Colts balls tested were within the legal limit by at least one of the gauges utilized. End of story. Everything else is extraneous and irrelevant.

The rules are the rules, they broke them, someone needs to be punished. In this case it looks as if it will be Brady and the two locker room flunkies. Is the federal case the haters are making it out to be, not even close but it is what it is.

Pats need to be sure the balls stay at the 12.5 psi or higher level throughout the game so they need to start at a higher level to begin with. They also need to setup a process of chain of custody to be sure there is no foul play and it needs to be documented.

Call it a learning experience, call it BS because I am certain there are other teams doing it in the league, whatever the Pats, like camera location-gate, got caught and now must pay the piper. I'll say it again, it is what it is. Circle the wagons, its the league verse the Pats, I for one can't wait to see how this all plays out this year, here's hoping for another 2007 but with a 19-0 outcome.

Dude at least know the allegedly facts. Look ate Colts number 4...

patsbrasilpatriotas · May 7, 2015

ctpatsfan1 said:
I disagree. Let's set the facts straight:

1. The Patriots balls whether by nature or intent were all below (on both test gauges utilized) the legal limit per the rules. The Colts balls tested were within the legal limit by at least one of the gauges utilized. End of story. Everything else is extraneous and irrelevant.

The rules are the rules, they broke them, someone needs to be punished. In this case it looks as if it will be Brady and the two locker room flunkies. Is the federal case the haters are making it out to be, not even close but it is what it is.

Pats need to be sure the balls stay at the 12.5 psi or higher level throughout the game so they need to start at a higher level to begin with. They also need to setup a process of chain of custody to be sure there is no foul play and it needs to be documented.

Call it a learning experience, call it BS because I am certain there are other teams doing it in the league, whatever the Pats, like camera location-gate, got caught and now must pay the piper. I'll say it again, it is what it is. Circle the wagons, its the league verse the Pats, I for one can't wait to see how this all plays out this year, here's hoping for another 2007 but with a 19-0 outcome.

Show me in the rulebook the article, paragraph or anything that has written that the ball has to stay all game between 12.5 and 13.5 .

They will measure the ball 's air pressure every down ? And if during a play it deflate, what Blount does, he will stop running ? BS....

Patstopia · May 7, 2015

I agree that the Pats will have to face the music, but Brady doesn't! He can sue the league and make a big issue out of it. The Pats can and should speak out about it. Fck the league and the responsibility they have to other teams. They are not protecting other teams, they are lubing up the Pats and getting ready to bend them over with a doctored up pile of BS to cover the sting they ran.

It was a direct attack on the Patriots. Bob Kraft needs to borrow a pair of balls and use them to address the league. There needs to be so much noise about the report and it's omissions and misinterpretations. Do not fall on you sword again Bob Kraft! Stand up and go down swinging.

Fighting cant make things any worse than they are, but it sure can make things better!

The Gr8est · May 7, 2015

ctpatsfan1 said:
I disagree. Let's set the facts straight:

1. The Patriots balls whether by nature or intent were all below (on both test gauges utilized) the legal limit per the rules. The Colts balls tested were within the legal limit by at least one of the gauges utilized. End of story. Everything else is extraneous and irrelevant.

The rules are the rules, they broke them, someone needs to be punished. In this case it looks as if it will be Brady and the two locker room flunkies. Is the federal case the haters are making it out to be, not even close but it is what it is.

Pats need to be sure the balls stay at the 12.5 psi or higher level throughout the game so they need to start at a higher level to begin with. They also need to setup a process of chain of custody to be sure there is no foul play and it needs to be documented.

Call it a learning experience, call it BS because I am certain there are other teams doing it in the league, whatever the Pats, like camera location-gate, got caught and now must pay the piper. I'll say it again, it is what it is. Circle the wagons, its the league verse the Pats, I for one can't wait to see how this all plays out this year, here's hoping for another 2007 but with a 19-0 outcome.

The Pats don't need to ensure the balls stay in the legal limit. It is the referees responsibility to ensure the balls are within the legal range to start the game, there is no requirement that the balls stay in that range.

That may change going forward but isn't the case now.

ctpatsfan1 · May 7, 2015

RxJock1120 said:
1. No the Patriots footballs did not "change by twice as much", you made that up.
2. The footballs "changed by twice as much" from what starting point??? From an arbitrary inflation point the report assumed!!! No recording were actually done about what the inflation of the footballs started at.
3. Only 4 of the Colts football were assessed, for no real reason...ohh that's right they didn't "have time" to check all the Colts fotballs...keeping in mind they had time for 2 independent measurements of all the Patriots football!!! And then again, there is nothing to compare the footballs pressure drop to.

So what exactly is it that we should accept???

Sorry if you do the average differences Pats to 12.5 Colts to 13 for each test you will find the following:

Pats avg change on Blakeman tests - 1.4 psi
Pats avg change on Piroleau tests - 1.0 psi
Average change of those two averages - 1.2 psi

Colts avg change on Blakeman tests - .4 psi
Colts avg change on Piroleau tests - .6 psi
Average change of those two averages - .5 psi

Do the math that is a 2.6X difference Pats versus Colts........i.e. the Pats balls, on average, changed 2.6 times more than the Colts balls.....

If you change the Colts Balls to 12.5 starting point their average is ZERO average PSI change.

If you change the Pats Balls to a 13 starting point their average is 1.7 average psi change which is a 3.6x change versus the Colts balls.

Who is making stuff up now or doesn't know the facts? Looking at you patsbrasilpatriotas and Rxjock1120..........if you are going to make statements you had better have the facts to back them up.

Bobsyouruncle · May 7, 2015

What should be done is for the people on here with scientific credentials to write an open letter supporting the measurements and criticizing Wells conclusions. Send it to the papers. It's a PR fight, as of now people think "the science" has spoken.

RxJock1120 · May 7, 2015

ctpatsfan1 said:
Sorry if you do the average differences Pats to 12.5 Colts to 13 for each test you will find the following:

Pats avg change on Blakeman tests - 1.4 psi
Pats avg change on Piroleau tests - 1.0 psi
Average change of those two averages - 1.2 psi

Colts avg change on Blakeman tests - .4 psi
Colts avg change on Piroleau tests - .6 psi
Average change of those two averages - .5 psi

Do the math that is a 2.6X difference Pats versus Colts........i.e. the Pats balls, on average, changed 2.6 times more than the Colts balls.....

If you change the Colts Balls to 12.5 starting point their average is ZERO average PSI change.

If you change the Pats Balls to a 13 starting point their average is 1.7 average psi change which is a 3.6x change versus the Colts balls.

Who is making stuff up now or doesn't know the facts? Looking at you patsbrasilpatriotas and Rxjock1120..........if you are going to make statements you had better have the facts to back them up.

And where does the initial 12.5 or 13.0 or 13.5 reading come from???

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