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I have to completely agree with this.

BUT (devils advocate here)

What is he supposed to say? We refuse to deal with how the NFL is handling this? Piss off 31 other owners and their staff?

Kraft has other people to consider besides the other 31 owners.

His paying customers.

His HOF QB.

His future neighbor.
 
I don't see how those text messages make Tom guilty.

McNally is a disgruntled employee who doesn't like being told to do his job over again when the starting QB doesn't like the feel of the balls after his initial pump.

Brady treats these guys with gifts, especially from his sponsors, for basically only doing their job to begin with. And one was jealous and wanted more.

Doesn't mean Brady is guilty of anything.
 
I don't see how that makes Tom guilty.

McNally is a disgruntled employee who doesn't like being told to do his job over again when the starting QB doesn't like the feel of the balls after his initial pump.

Doesn't mean he's guilty of anything.

Then why not fire him instead of bribing him with gifts...? He was receiving gifts, including Brady autographed memorabilia.
 
The Falcons cheated, and admitted to cheating. They were docked a 5th round pick.

The Patriots as an organization did not know of any wrongdoing, but their ballboy "more likely than not" cheated and the QB may have been "generally aware."

If there's any consistency, the punishment would be a 7th or just a fine. But we know Goodell is the model of inconsistency.

No, because management and coaching was cleared. Under your interpretation, every time a player gets popped for steroids, the team should lose a pick.
 
This is absolutely meaningless. This is chatter between two equipment guys which doesn't implicate Tom Brady at all. Does it say that he tells them to deflate the balls below 12.5psi? Is this text between Tom and the equipment people? Not at all.

This post should be taken off immediately.
 
Suspended for what? Because some lawyer the NFL hired uncovered some vague text messages and was butt hurt Brady didn't hand over his cell phone?

Well then they better suspend Aaron Rodgers too who is on record saying he tries to get over-inflated balls past refs.

Give me a break, dude. To think there won't be some type of punishment when all eyes are on the biggest player in the game is ridiculous--especially after what will be seen by 99% of the NFL's fanbase as a repeat offense.

The ball boy and equipment mngr referred to him as "the deflator" months and months ago. Do you honestly think that Roger Goodell is just going to ignore this? There will be some punishment, and I doubt that it will only be a few games.

What has Goodell done lately to help the Pats in any way, that would lead you to believe that no punishment will be handed down? It's almost as if you haven't seen Goodell's "precedent setting" punishments before. If he doesn't act harshly the integrity of the game will be questioned, blah, blah, blah.
 
It would have been good if they described what effect having a lower pressure ball actually has on the game! Does the PSI do anything besides feel better in a QB's hand?

It would have been nice if this fiasco of a report had recommendations on ball security in the future instead of leaving it the way it is.
They should have recommended recording ball pressure before the game. Halftime, and after the game. They should appoint a ball security referee to watch the balls and be the only one to touch them!

But instead, they feel that probably, no team will possibly try this again.
 
Then why not fire him instead of bribing him with gifts...? He was receiving gifts, including Brady autographed memorabilia.

Brady doesn't fire people, he's not an HR rep. And I'm sure Tom doesn't want to be known within Patriots land for getting employees fired who don't listen to his every whim and do everything perfectly.

Brady isn't a diva, firing McNally makes him a diva.
 
Tom is guilty.

You do realize that what you just quoted could easily be a result of everything being on the up and up, with the officials pumping the balls up too much, right?

Balls deflated to roughly minimum by McNally
Official gage reads them a bit low
Officials pump balls up way too much
Balls used just like that in game
Brady gets pissed
 
The punishment imposed down for tampering with footballs is a fine, $25,000 I believe.

I don't see how Brady can be suspended games for something there's absolutely no proof of, only "probability".
 
It would have been good if they described what effect having a lower pressure ball actually has on the game! Does the PSI do anything besides feel better in a QB's hand?.

ESPN Sports Science did a test.

It actually makes the ball harder to throw and it travels slower through the air.
 
I totally agree. I was not trying to imply the Pats are guilty. The Colts could have kept their balls warmer, or inflated them at a lower temp. The Refs measurements could have been systematically off, or the Colts could be full of B.S. about their starting pressure. It just seems very unlikely that this is just totally random variation.

The report discusses the heater hypothesis in footnote 70 on page 118:
Wells report said:
In reaching these conclusions, Exponent attempted to control for variations in the thermal histories, and thus pressures, of the Patriots and Colts footballs. Specifically, Exponent recognized that differences in the way each team's footballs were used or handled on the sideline during the game might affect the halftime measurements. To evaluate the potential impact of these factors, and based on information developed by Paul, Weiss during the investigation regarding the procedures used by each team‟s ball boys during the game, Exponent performed a simulation in which individuals acted as “ball boys,” and followed the described procedures while concurrently using a telecast of the AFC Championship Game to guide a complete reenactment of the first half. The entire “ball boy simulation” took place inside a temperature-controlled chamber set to field conditions. Exponent concluded that there was no observable difference in the results generated by this simulation and those simulations that were performed without “ball boys,” a finding consistent with the conclusion discussed above that variations in game use do not affect the internal pressure of footballs. In addition, the Patriots have suggested that the proximity of Colts ball boys to sideline heaters used during the AFC Championship Game may have impacted the temperature, and thus the pressure, of the Colts game balls when tested at halftime. We determined, however, that the Colts ball boys were not standing in close proximity to the heaters during the first half, and therefore the footballs in their possession were not likely to have been affected by the heaters.
 
If there was one thing SharksOfVegas should've known ahead of time, it was that. And they still didn't.

Sharks of Vegas' story changed with the wind, and they basically got NOTHING correct. What a bunch of frauds (or actually, it's one guy, so what a fraud).
 
I'm sorry if this has been stated, I'm only at thread page 13 so far. But on page 225-226, the experiments conducted by Wells did not account for temperature at inflation, only temperature in room at pre-game measurements.
 
Brady really is the GOAT.

The Refs over-inflate the ball, Brady wins!
The ball-boys deflate the ball, Brady wins!
Any type of balls, Brady wins!
 
I read the report..What we have here is an issue of understanding context. There were conversations throughout the year (see original post) that Brady had with the other guys that the footballs were sometimes overinflated and he wanted them deflated. In one game the refs allegedly inflated the balls to almost 16psi. The conversations between Brady and co about deflating the balls indicated nothing about deflating them below the legal level. He just didn't want them overinflated. The Wells report missed the context of this entirely.

In essence, the report says that they can't find any scientific evidence to explain why the Patriots balls were more deflated than the Colts balls. All balls tested (11 Patriots balls and 4 Colts balls) lost pressure during the game but the Colts balls started out at 13-13.2 psi where as all the Patriots balls started out at 12.5psi. Unfortunately, the officials ran out of time at halftime and were only able to test 4 balls. Is it possible the discrepancy seen the Patriots balls could also have been present in some of the Colts balls? Unfortunately, we'll never know. The fact that they were only able to test a small sample of the Colts balls should've made that line of the investigation inconclusive but it appears the pressure to uncover answers has led Wells to jump to conclusions and the Patriots are being railroaded again.

What we have here is a lesson on how misleading circumstantial evidence can be. This is why we've always had so many cases of falsely convicted individuals doing serious time. It is what it is.
 
We are seeing what happens when you have success. Vikings/Panthers was nothing because they are nothing on the field.

It makes me sad. Because of the texts, the language used in the report. Mostly I am sad that the NFL is maybe a lot closer to the WWE than I thought... Bad guys, good guys.
 
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So the balls for the Jets game were 'supposed' to be 13psi. What did this report give evidence of?

Okay, now I'm confused...10/17/2014 was a Friday, the day after the Jets game. Jastremski "just" checked them and they were at 16 the next day?

And he said they were supposed to be 13 - how does that implicate the Patriots bringing them under 12.5, exactly?
 
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