Patriots to Release Alfonzo Dennard

supafly · May 5, 2015

BelichickFan said:
June 1 cuts were a thing about five years ago. If you're looking for help there, you'll probably be disappointed.

When Fletcher, McClain, and Chimdi Chekwa are the 3 CBs vying for a spot or two AND you just cut Alfonzo Dennard, June 1st cuts suddenly become very relevant again

(I'm mostly kidding)

ALP · May 6, 2015

supafly · May 6, 2015

ALP said:
WTF

I'm guessing that Dennard has been in the doghouse for quite some time now. He was, after all, a healthy scratch at points last year and lost his spot on the depth chart.

The fact that the cut occurred in the spring with a lot of uncertainty at the CB position may suggest that it was more than "just" being injured last year, as some have suggested. One would have thought that he'd at least have been in the mix throughout training camp with some of the other misfits, competing for a depth role (not named Arrington, Butler, or Ryan).

FredFromDartmouth · May 6, 2015

The CB story should be very interesting this summer and fall. I am very curious about what trick BB will pull out of his hat this time.

kennyb · May 6, 2015

Chimdi chekwa is supposed to be good.

Triumph · May 6, 2015

We hardly knew him.

Triumph · May 6, 2015

kennyb said:
Chimdi chekwa is supposed to be good.

Dennard was supposed to be good.

RobertWeathers · May 6, 2015

kennyb said:
Chimdi chekwa is supposed to be good.

He only played 89 snaps last year. We don't even know if hes bad.

Triumph · May 6, 2015

FredFromDartmouth said:
The CB story should be very interesting this summer and fall. I am very curious about what trick BB will pull out of his hat this time.

The only CBs with any real playing time are Arrington,Butler, Ryan and... gulp Mcourty.

Kontradiction · May 6, 2015

DaBruinz said:
You clearly don't remember 2003 or 2004, do you? They played a ton of Zone because people were always complaining about Law and Smith being so far off the receivers. In 2004, Law went down and they were relying on Samuel, Troy Brown and Earthwind Moreland amongst others. They played a ton of Zone then as well.. You claiming they didn't is ridiculous..

No, they didn't. If anything, they mixed it up but they weren't NEARLY as zone-heavy back then as they were in 2010, 2011, and early 2012. If you want proof, go look at the Colts games of '03 and '04 and remember the complaints that their receivers were getting beat up in press. Most people are fine with mixing up the coverages, including me. But going zone-heavy as they did three and four years ago because of personnel deficiencies back there is not going to win you a championship. Belichick realized this. That's why he ultimately made the moves that he did last year and it resulted in him hoisting the Lombardi trophy again.

JarOfMayo51 · May 6, 2015

Urgent said:
...not according to the coverage stats.

Logan Ryan gave up a 56% completion rate and 80 QB rating.
Dennard gave up a 70% completion rate and 111 QB rating.

Others:
Revis: 47% completion, 68 QB rating, 2 TD's
Arrington: 52% completion, 80 QB rating, 1 TD
Browner: 53% completion, 83 QB rating, 2 TD's
Butler: 59% completion, 125 QB rating, 3 TD's

Bradley Fletcher: 53% completion, 108 QB rating, 9 TD's

fletcher gave up more touchdowns than all of our DBS combined!

Lol!!! good lord! Silver lining... its not possible to do worse than that... is it?

Kontradiction · May 6, 2015

supafly said:
Morris Claiborne:

1) coming off of another major injury and may not even be ready by the start of TC

2) he's sucked...pathetically, in every way possible, from attitude to injury prone, and lousy play in-between

3) he's currently under contract in DAL where they seem hell bent on not admitting to their terrible mistake to move up, and still seem to be holding out some faint hope that he'll prove himself this coming year

The popular thought of the past 2 weeks on this forum = every NFL player whose team didn't pick up their very expensive 5th year option, must automatically be trade bait after THREE years. While anything is possible, I'd have a difficult time envisioning him as a NEP. Just my opinion.

He's also as dumb as a rock.

Froob · May 6, 2015

Dennard should have gone back to prison last summer instead of spending training camp here obviously. Our coaches probably tied him to a chair and made him watch the same video over and over again repeating the words "DON'T TURN YOUR HEAD AROUND, DON'T COME WITHIN 10 YARDS OF THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE, DON'T BREAK UP PASSES."

Oswlek · May 6, 2015

fnordcircle said:
No choice?

No way they're trading for a CB before the season starts, imo. Short of a FA pick up this is the squad that will start the season. When they've been hit by departures in various squads in the past they've never hit the panic button because they had "no choice" and I don't think they will now.

Yeah, the "they must make a trade!" rhetoric puzzles me as well. If NE really was that desperate that they felt they needed someone - anyone! - they wouldn't have waited until the 7th round to pick on this past weekend. Fans taking this as meaning they need DB more than ever aren't reading the tea leaves right. Maybe they have the tarot card upside down?

50-yard-line · May 6, 2015

JarOfMayo51 said:
fletcher gave up more touchdowns than all of our DBS combined!

Lol!!! good lord! Silver lining... its not possible to do worse than that... is it?

Chip Kelly put him on an island against people like Dez Bryant, who torched him for a bunch of TDs.

There are maybe 4 corners in the league who can handle Bryant in that situation.

Kontradiction · May 6, 2015

Oswlek said:
Yeah, the "they must make a trade!" rhetoric puzzles me as well. If NE really was that desperate that they felt they needed someone - anyone! - they wouldn't have waited until the 7th round to pick on this past weekend. Fans taking this as meaning they need DB more than ever aren't reading the tea leaves right. Maybe they have the tarot card upside down?

This was the line of thinking prior to the 2012 season as well. Belichick took a wait and see approach and what he saw wasn't cutting it, resulting in an in-season trade. So it's not like this sort of thing is totally unprecedented.

RobertWeathers · May 6, 2015

50-yard-line said:
Chip Kelly put him on an island against people like Dez Bryant, who torched him for a bunch of TDs.

There are maybe 4 corners in the league who can handle Bryant in that situation.

I've been trying to educate myself on the Bradley Fletcher situation a little. Folks are right. Kelly left Fletch on an island w/ the Bryants, Beckams and other top receivers.

Take the below FWIW. In 2013 he also allowed < 77 QB rating

Some of this was called out in the Bradley Fetcher thread.

According to Pro Football Focus, Fletcher only allowed a completion percentage of 47% and a quarterback rating of 55.8 in 2012. He also ranked second in the league on a coverage snap per reception basis. That is pretty impressive when you recall the ineptitude of Nnamdi Asomugha and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie over the last two years.

Fletcher has started 26 of his 43 career games, including a stretch from 2010-2011 where he started 20 of 21 games before being injured four games into the 2011 season. When he has been healthy, Fletcher has played very well. He had four interceptions and 11 passes defensed when he was a full-time starter in 2010.

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/...tcher-could-be-the-eagles-x-factor-on-defense

patchick · May 6, 2015

FWIW, a print article in the Globe sites "a league source" as saying that Dennard was high maintenance, there were ongoing concerns about his work ethic and commitment, and that he had skipped most of the offseason workout program.

JarOfMayo51 · May 6, 2015

DaBruinz said:
Yes, the zone schemes were so bad that they won 2 SBs with them in 2003 and 2004..

With Troy Brown playing CB after TY Law and some other DBS had season ending injuries.

Revis was great, but what if you sign him to that lucrative contract and he blows his ACL out again? You still have to play defense...

1 guy does not make or break your defense.. there are 31 teams that don't have Darrel Revis, so you gotta find other ways to get the job done.

JarOfMayo51 · May 6, 2015

supafly said:
Morris Claiborne:

1) coming off of another major injury and may not even be ready by the start of TC

2) he's sucked...pathetically, in every way possible, from attitude to injury prone, and lousy play in-between

3) he's currently under contract in DAL where they seem hell bent on not admitting to their terrible mistake to move up, and still seem to be holding out some faint hope that he'll prove himself this coming year

The popular thought of the past 2 weeks on this forum = every NFL player whose team didn't pick up their very expensive 5th year option, must automatically be trade bait after THREE years. While anything is possible, I'd have a difficult time envisioning him as a NEP. Just my opinion.

So.... sign the beast?

Hehe

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