Sharks of Las Vegas

Froob said:

Einstein's theories weren't in the spirit of the rules. Perhaps we should change them?

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I guess it was August Krönig in and Rudolf Clausius who discovered the ideal gas law. Perhaps the NFL will fine them (or their ancestors since they are long gone) for discovering it.

karguy85 said:

I guess it was August Krönig in and Rudolf Clausius who discovered the ideal gas law. Perhaps the NFL will fine them (or their ancestors since they are long gone) for discovering it.

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I'm sure the league will look into it. The gas law is just deceptive IMO and really has no place in today's world.

supafly said:

I'm just joking around.

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2dry4me

Hopefully, in the end, he gets more right than he does wrong. In the meantime, if his certainty has helped to spread a positive message, all the better. We'll know soon enough whether or not he's had inside sources this whole time.

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Yeap. I don't trust most twitter stuff as far as I can throw it. Which, come to find out, it's very hard to throw information received via a digital medium.

patfanken said:

Well I think we really disagree on this one. I don't see how Goodell needs Bob Krafts support like a lot of people think. By isolating the team under a dark cloud, be marginalizes his need for Kraft. Remember there are 31 owners who are jealous as hell over the success Bob has had. They'd LOVE to see him have to endure a hard year or 3 just like they all have had, including the Steelers Cowboys, Giants, etc.

Still it isn't worth arguing specific points, since it isn't gong to change anything or make any of us feel any better. This is especially true since I hope to god that YOU are right.

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In a lot of areas of this League, three owners control everything - Kraft, Mara, and Jones (and Jerrah seems to vote lock step and barrel behind Kraft on everything). They are the power brokers in the league.

There may be 31 other teams that hate Belichick, but every owner loves Kraft. Kraft has made them tons of money. He is on the TV committee and has been directly responsible for a lot of the TV deals. He also was the major force in getting the CBA done a few years back. What he says, most of the owners fall in line behind him.

And Goodell owes him. Goodell would not be in the position he is in without Kraft. When they were voting on a new Commissioner when Tagliabue stepped down, the vote was split and it was Kraft and Mara who threw their support behind Goodell and convinced all the owners that it was in the best interest to vote Goodell in unanimously.

There are two owners that Goodell cannot completely alienate or he is done. One is John Mara. The other is Bob Kraft. Kraft will do what is best for the league to a point and that is why the Pats fell on their swords in Spygate. He won't fall on his sword this time and he is going to demand that if Kensil and/or Grigson ran a sting on him and smeared him and his franchise in the media that there will be heads that roll.

With all that has come out already, the Wells report will have to show the League in a negative light. And there will have to be a fall guy. It looks like Kensil will be that guy. With the fact that we found out they let a guy they knew was stealing balls handle game balls, the fact Grigson told the league prior to the game he suspected the Pats were deflating balls, the fact that someone in the league is leaking slanted stories trying to smear the Pats., etc.; someone has got to take the blame for that. Kraft will demand it. Both Kraft and Goodell have implied that someone in the League will.

Ross12 said:

I was reading through SoV's timeline a little bit and was looking through some fans railing on Klemko here about how he should apologize when the report comes out and exonerates the Pats. His response was...

Robert Klemko ‏@RobertKlemko 5h5 hours ago
@gollinan @Joe_Semaan Reports say what the people who pay for them want them to say. Honestly, I put very little stock in the findings.

... Unfortunately, this will be the reaction by most of the media even if the report exonerates the Pats. They will say "Goodell did his buddy Kraft a favor again and let him off the hook."

Our only retribution will be from the tears of our foes on the field of play, all the way to Santa Clara.

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That's a very admirable stance - "I made my mind up after hearing the initial reports and nothing is going to change that. Who needs facts and evidence? Witch hunts are never wrong." Klemko probably believes the Duke lacrosse team and Richard Jewell were guilty.

In the larger picture, who the heck is this guy? I know he's part of P. King's site, but what has he ever done? Has anyone ever said "Did you see that great interview/column/article/book by Klemko?" At least Doyel and Kravitz have some sort of track record, good or bad. This guy could change professions tomorrow and no one would know he was gone.

shmessy said:

Ross Tucker did nothing wrong, so the the police will just arrest him.

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It's literally the same rational.

shmessy said:

Ross Tucker did nothing wrong, so the the police will just arrest him.

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Instead of just shooting him?

Rob0729 said:

In a lot of areas of this League, three owners control everything - Kraft, Mara, and Jones (and Jerrah seems to vote lock step and barrel behind Kraft on everything). They are the power brokers in the league.

There may be 31 other teams that hate Belichick, but every owner loves Kraft. Kraft has made them tons of money. He is on the TV committee and has been directly responsible for a lot of the TV deals. He also was the major force in getting the CBA done a few years back. What he says, most of the owners fall in line behind him.

And Goodell owes him. Goodell would not be in the position he is in without Kraft. When they were voting on a new Commissioner when Tagliabue stepped down, the vote was split and it was Kraft and Mara who threw their support behind Goodell and convinced all the owners that it was in the best interest to vote Goodell in unanimously.

There are two owners that Goodell cannot completely alienate or he is done. One is John Mara. The other is Bob Kraft. Kraft will do what is best for the league to a point and that is why the Pats fell on their swords in Spygate. He won't fall on his sword this time and he is going to demand that if Kensil and/or Grigson ran a sting on him and smeared him and his franchise in the media that there will be heads that roll.

With all that has come out already, the Wells report will have to show the League in a negative light. And there will have to be a fall guy. It looks like Kensil will be that guy. With the fact that we found out they let a guy they knew was stealing balls handle game balls, the fact Grigson told the league prior to the game he suspected the Pats were deflating balls, the fact that someone in the league is leaking slanted stories trying to smear the Pats., etc.; someone has got to take the blame for that. Kraft will demand it. Both Kraft and Goodell have implied that someone in the League will.

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I hope you are right, but I am not counting on it. We should find out soon

n6249c said:

Instead of just shooting him?

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He's a poster boy all American white guy, at worst he'll get a tasing followed by an apology.

JoeSixPat said:

I'm not saying you're wrong, but that would be the ultimate weasel moment for Goodell, throwing some of his own people under the bus to save his skin

(Kensil was there just before Goodell came in as commissioner but they had ties with the Jets when Goodell worked for them and Kensil was President - and it was likely Kensil and Goodell together who made a minor Patriots camera placement issue become the first of many "-gates" in which they themselves undermined public perception of the integrity of the game.)

So I don't doubt you'll see Goodell try to distance himself from Kensil as he already has - but let's not forget their close ties or the fact that Goodell gave his blessing to have Kensil serve in the role he did for nearly a decade after he was let go by the Jets

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See I think he would have tried to sweep what the League did wrong under the rug. Unfortunately too much has come out that it cannot be swept under the rug. If the Wells report and there is no information about when the League knew about Grigson's allegations and what they did with that information, the more rational national guys will start to question the report. Many national guys have already started to question what the League knew and when and what they did before and during the game. They have also questioned how leaks came out that smeared the Pats only to be diffused the next day. This is where it helps the Pats because a lot of the national media want to make ESPN look bad and making ESPN look like they were used by Kensil to smear the Pats is a good way to smear ESPN. Goodell has to make someone look bad in the League office.

He might be able to try to minimize what Kensil and others did. But he does have to throw someone under the bus.

Koma said:

In the larger picture, who the heck is this guy? I know he's part of P. King's site, but what has he ever done? Has anyone ever said "Did you see that great interview/column/article/book by Klemko?" At least Doyel and Kravitz have some sort of track record, good or bad. This guy could change professions tomorrow and no one would know he was gone.

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Well I can tell you that he didn't write any awesome pieces in the four weeks following October 23, because he was suspended after punching a cab driver and stealing his car. He's not being accused of letting any air out of the tires, though. He has that going for him.

Koma said:

That's a very admirable stance - "I made my mind up after hearing the initial reports and nothing is going to change that. Who needs facts and evidence? Witch hunts are never wrong." Klemko probably believes the Duke lacrosse team and Richard Jewell were guilty.

In the larger picture, who the heck is this guy? I know he's part of P. King's site, but what has he ever done? Has anyone ever said "Did you see that great interview/column/article/book by Klemko?" At least Doyel and Kravitz have some sort of track record, good or bad. This guy could change professions tomorrow and no one would know he was gone.

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Speaking of Doyel. Did you hear him on WEEI a few weeks ago. The guy has run away from everything he said after the AFCCG. He was comparing Deflategate to the Black Sox Scandal back then and now has run away from all his comments. I think he knows the Pats will not be found have done anything and the crap could come back to his team.

Froob said:

Einstein's theories weren't in the spirit of the rules. Perhaps we should change them?

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Einstein was a loser, an incompetent moronic Bill Nye wannabe. Why would you listen to his worthless, baseless garbage? Yeeeehaaaw!

Rob0729 said:

Speaking of Doyel. Did you hear him on WEEI a few weeks ago. The guy has run away from everything he said after the AFCCG. He was comparing Deflategate to the Black Sox Scandal back then and now has run away from all his comments. I think he knows the Pats will not be found have done anything and the crap could come back to his team.

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There should be a whole group of reporters fired or suspended if and when it absolves the Patriots.

Felger
Mazz
P. King
G. Doyel
B. Kravitz
S.A. Smith
S. Bayless
Pretty much everyone else at ESPN

Pleas feel free to add to the list and who and specify which type of punishment if any you would apply.

Rob0729 said:

There may be 31 other teams that hate Belichick, but every owner loves Kraft. Kraft has made them tons of money. He is on the TV committee and has been directly responsible for a lot of the TV deals. He also was the major force in getting the CBA done a few years back. What he says, most of the owners fall in line behind him.

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Jeff Saturday called him the man who saved football.

And he and Jonathan Kraft were the driving force behind the 2006 CBA, too.

ViperGTS said:

There should be a whole group of reporters fired or suspended if and when it absolves the Patriots.

Felger
Mazz
P. King
G. Doyel
B. Kravitz
S.A. Smith
S. Bayless
Pretty much everyone else at ESPN

Pleas feel free to add to the list and who and specify which type of punishment if any you would apply.

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You can't fire sports media members for being biased morons. But you can and should fire corrupt league officials.

kelly naqi should definitely be gone.

Koma said:

That's a very admirable stance - "I made my mind up after hearing the initial reports and nothing is going to change that. Who needs facts and evidence? Witch hunts are never wrong." Klemko probably believes the Duke lacrosse team and Richard Jewell were guilty.

In the larger picture, who the heck is this guy? I know he's part of P. King's site, but what has he ever done? Has anyone ever said "Did you see that great interview/column/article/book by Klemko?" At least Doyel and Kravitz have some sort of track record, good or bad. This guy could change professions tomorrow and no one would know he was gone.

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I know he's a nobody, I'm just sayin', that's going to be the attitude of the media at large come exoneration time. Suddenly they will all question how "independent" the investigation really was, and say the League just swept the Pats' wrongdoing under the rug for them.

tuckeverlasting said:

kelly naqi should definitely be gone.

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I forgot about her.

There really should be a full-length movie about deflategate someday. It's a story too crazy and winding for any scriptwriter's imagination.

ViperGTS said:

There should be a whole group of reporters fired or suspended if and when it absolves the Patriots.

Felger

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Felger will just go on a 3 day rant about how the NFL is in Kraft's back pocket

It's his schtik