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Rob0729 · May 5, 2015

patfanken said:
Rob, what does he have to DO? Wear a "I Hate the Pats" T-shirt?

Lets look at the RECENT record. He let the Jets and Falcons virtually skate after direct evidence linked them to CHEATING. (I never felt what Cleveland did was a crime to begin with) Admitted cheating and not more than one day of blowback and NOTHING since, nor will there be. Compared that to the manufactured crime of DEFLATEGATE. Look at his initial attack claim how serious the infraction was. Look at the well timed leaks that came from HIS office. Look at the continued attack from the "sports network of record". This was never an "innocent until guilty" investigation. HIS office allowed this to fester the entire 2 weeks leading up to the Super Bowl and over 3 month since. Any comment he's ever made has either been innocuous, evasive, or threw more dirt on the Pats. (the Charlie Rose comments).

And don't get me started with "camerplacementgate". After HE destroyed the tapes, which made the Pats look more guilty and NEVER gave an explanation, he actually came out and publically said that the Pats did NOTHING that gave them an unfair advantage on any other team. As far as I can tell, over the last 8 years, and ALL the "cheating comments" and slander the Patriots and their fans have had to take, our "neutral arbiter" NEVER made that comment again. Nor did he ever make any effort to simply tell the truth enough times to counter the avalanche of slander the Pats faced that year and every year since.

All he had to have done is explain what the Pats did, why they were fined and punished and that it had NOTING to do with cheating......ever That's all he has to do now. Are you holding your breath, Rob?

This is going to end, and probably soon, but there will likely be no satisfaction for Bob Kraft, BB, Brady, and us. I'm sure there will be something in there for us to "claim" victory, and reasonable people to understand that we did nothing and this was a manufactured scandal, by haters. But I am just as sure there will be enough vagueness and "gray" that the haters and their ilk can hold on to and the slander will continue, because the league is never going to let it go until the Pats are brought down to the rest of the league's mediocrity.

Ever wonder how NJ was given such a free hand to win back Revis? Has anyone ever given you a good explanation how the Pats knew enough details about the Jets deal to know they had to drop out a full day before the Jets were supposed to be able to even offer him a deal. Or how Mehta knew the exact details of the contract structure a full 3 days before the Jets were supposed to be able to offer Revis a deal. It doesn't matter that it was unlikely that Revis was ever coming back regardless. The Jets were given free reign to interfere with the Pats ability to exclusively bargain with him. It was over the moment Revis knew they'd make him the highest paid CB in the league (which that Pats could have done), and also put up $40MM up front guaranteed (which the Pats couldn't)

NOTHING in the past several years has ever given me the impression the Pats have been playing on a level playing field, The league still believes, that while ONCE nice , what the Pats are continually doing, is bad for the league in general. They want the Pats to go away already....at least for a while. And while the attacks might be more subtle after the recent black eyes, I have no reason to believe they are going away.

I said it before and I will say it again. Goodell doesn't hate the Pats, he is just incompetent. Like everything else that happens in this league, he is swayed by the public opinions. The Pats get accused of cheating, it is a big deal to the public. He reacts. No one cares when the Falcons or Browns cheat, they get a slap on the wrist. No video of Ray Rice, he gets a two game suspension. The video comes out and the public gets outraged, Rice gets suspended indefinitely.

Goodell is very consistent. He makes rulings like these based on how the wind is blowing.

This time though is that Kraft isn't going to lay down on this if the Pats were victims of a sting or set up. Goodell cannot alienate Kraft. Goodell will need to take actions if Wells shows wrong doing by the league and/or the Colts.

supafly · May 5, 2015

fnordcircle said:
He's hinted that it will exonerate us but given nothing concrete.

Ross12 said:
Yes, SoV has been saying that the Pats will be exonerated and that the League is responsible (specifically pointing the finger at Kensil), they were one of the first to point to this narrative a while ago.

I'm just joking around. I assume that we're all aware of who SoV is due to their non-stop tweets about the subject for the past 105 days, as well as the dozens of threads on the matter.

I've been a skeptic of this source ("SoV") since day one, although as I've mentioned, it's been good to see someone sticking up for the belief that the team is innocent--so that shouldn't be overlooked.

Hopefully, in the end, he gets more right than he does wrong. In the meantime, if his certainty has helped to spread a positive message, all the better. We'll know soon enough whether or not he's had inside sources this whole time.

Ross12 · May 5, 2015

supafly said:
I'm just joking around. I assume that we're all aware of who SoV is due to their non-stop tweets about the subject for the past 105 days, as well as the dozens of threads on the matter.

I've been a skeptic of this source ("SoV") since day one, although as I've mentioned, it's been good to see someone sticking up for the belief that the team is innocent--so that shouldn't be overlooked.

Hopefully, in the end, he gets more right than he does wrong. In the meantime, if his certainty has helped to spread a positive message, all the better. We'll know soon enough whether or not he's had inside sources this whole time.

Lol wasn't sure if it was a joke or if you really wanted to be informed, figured I would err on the side of helpfulness

patfanken · May 5, 2015

Rob0729 said:
I said it before and I will say it again. Goodell doesn't hate the Pats, he is just incompetent. Like everything else that happens in this league, he is swayed by the public opinions. The Pats get accused of cheating, it is a big deal to the public. He reacts. No one cares when the Falcons or Browns cheat, they get a slap on the wrist. No video of Ray Rice, he gets a two game suspension. The video comes out and the public gets outraged, Rice gets suspended indefinitely.

Goodell is very consistent. He makes rulings like these based on how the wind is blowing.

This time though is that Kraft isn't going to lay down on this if the Pats were victims of a sting or set up. Goodell cannot alienate Kraft. Goodell will need to take actions if Wells shows wrong doing by the league and/or the Colts.

Well I think we really disagree on this one. I don't see how Goodell needs Bob Krafts support like a lot of people think. By isolating the team under a dark cloud, be marginalizes his need for Kraft. Remember there are 31 owners who are jealous as hell over the success Bob has had. They'd LOVE to see him have to endure a hard year or 3 just like they all have had, including the Steelers Cowboys, Giants, etc.

Still it isn't worth arguing specific points, since it isn't gong to change anything or make any of us feel any better. This is especially true since I hope to god that YOU are right.

Biggs1221 · May 5, 2015

patfanken said:
NOTHING in the past several years has ever given me the impression the Pats have been playing on a level playing field, The league still believes, that while ONCE nice , what the Pats are continually doing, is bad for the league in general. They want the Pats to go away already....at least for a while. And while the attacks might be more subtle after the recent black eyes, I have no reason to believe they are going away.

I agree 100%. Its just funny, because every major sports league has profited immensely over dynasties and superstars. I have no doubt that over the last 15 years, the Pats, Belichick and Brady have added substantial interest and viewership to the league across the country. Even people who 10 years ago didnt care at all about the NFL tune in because they want to see something great - - -or because they want to see them lose. The NBA was built on teams like the Celts, Lakers, and Bulls. People loved or hated their players. And maybe more importantly, people who once knew nothing about basketball knew their players. That only happens with dominance over an extended period of time. This is no different.

Having super bowls with Titans v Bucs one year and dolphins v. cardinals the next, etc, does nothing to grow the sport.

But, even billionaire owners raking in money can be petty and jealous.

Ross12 · May 5, 2015

I was reading through SoV's timeline a little bit and was looking through some fans railing on Klemko here about how he should apologize when the report comes out and exonerates the Pats. His response was...

Robert Klemko ‏@RobertKlemko 5h5 hours ago
@gollinan @Joe_Semaan Reports say what the people who pay for them want them to say. Honestly, I put very little stock in the findings.

... Unfortunately, this will be the reaction by most of the media even if the report exonerates the Pats. They will say "Goodell did his buddy Kraft a favor again and let him off the hook."

Our only retribution will be from the tears of our foes on the field of play, all the way to Santa Clara.

Danger Zone · May 5, 2015

Ross12 said:
I was reading through SoV's timeline a little bit and was looking through some fans railing on Klemko here about how he should apologize when the report comes out and exonerates the Pats. His response was...

Robert Klemko ‏@RobertKlemko 5h5 hours ago
@gollinan @Joe_Semaan Reports say what the people who pay for them want them to say. Honestly, I put very little stock in the findings.

... Unfortunately, this will be the reaction by most of the media even if the report exonerates the Pats. They will say "Goodell did his buddy Kraft a favor again and let him off the hook."

Our only retribution will be from the tears of our foes on the field of play, all the way to Santa Clara.

Wonder why they would need 100+ days just to come out with a faked cover-up report?

Sorry, keep forgetting logic doesn't come into play with these kind of things.

RxJock1120 · May 5, 2015

Rob0729 said:
It wasn't the worst case of tampering. Not even close. Hell, I don't even think it was the worst case of tampering in the last six months. I think what the Dolphins did with Suh was a worst case of tampering. Everyone knew they were going to sign him a week before the legal tampering period even started.

Replace the Dolphins with the Jets and Suh with Revis..and a week with a few months....and we gave Revis signing with Jets...

Ross12 · May 5, 2015

Danger Zone said:
Wonder why they would need 100+ days just to come out with a faked cover-up report?

Yeah, seriously. But that's the mindset of the arrogant modern day media. "Even if I'm wrong, I'm right!"

RxJock1120 · May 5, 2015

Danger Zone said:
Wonder why they would need 100+ days just to come out with a faked cover-up report?

Sorry, keep forgetting logic doesn't come into play with these kind of things.

Because that is how you fake due diligence. If they released a faked cover-up report in 2 days...people will be less likely to believe thr "authenticity" of its conclusions.

Danger Zone · May 5, 2015

RxJock1120 said:
Because that is how you fake due diligence. If they released a faked cover-up report in 2 days...people will be less likely to believe thr "authenticity" of its conclusions.

I think we are loooong past the point of "fake due diligence"

JoeSixPat · May 5, 2015

Rob0729 said:
I still don't think Goodell is out to get the Patriots. I think this time he may be on the Pats' side. If he finds out that Kensil and/or Grigson tried to set up the Pats and kept on leaking info to the media to smear the Pats especially during the weeks up to the Super Bowl, I think he is going to come down hard on them. I think he did not like that there was a major controversy right before the Super Bowl after the Ray Rice, Greg Hardy, and Adrian Peterson messes this season.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but that would be the ultimate weasel moment for Goodell, throwing some of his own people under the bus to save his skin

(Kensil was there just before Goodell came in as commissioner but they had ties with the Jets when Goodell worked for them and Kensil was President - and it was likely Kensil and Goodell together who made a minor Patriots camera placement issue become the first of many "-gates" in which they themselves undermined public perception of the integrity of the game.)

So I don't doubt you'll see Goodell try to distance himself from Kensil as he already has - but let's not forget their close ties or the fact that Goodell gave his blessing to have Kensil serve in the role he did for nearly a decade after he was let go by the Jets

Deus Irae · May 5, 2015

Ross12 said:
I was reading through SoV's timeline a little bit and was looking through some fans railing on Klemko here about how he should apologize when the report comes out and exonerates the Pats. His response was...

Robert Klemko ‏@RobertKlemko 5h5 hours ago
@gollinan @Joe_Semaan Reports say what the people who pay for them want them to say. Honestly, I put very little stock in the findings.

... Unfortunately, this will be the reaction by most of the media even if the report exonerates the Pats. They will say "Goodell did his buddy Kraft a favor again and let him off the hook."

Our only retribution will be from the tears of our foes on the field of play, all the way to Santa Clara.

MPAI

Biggs1221 · May 5, 2015

I'm not as optimistic as others here. The extent of the investigation in and of itself suggests a bias. It is so easy to find circumstantial evidence of anything. Any skilled attorney can then use this "evidence" to make any persuasive case they want.

Im certain that after hours of interrogating a large number of witnesses, who arent afforded an attorney (meaning any line and style of questioning goes), there are going to be "inconsistencies," quotes that sound strange, and things that "dont add up" if you dont want them to. Add in mysterious bathroom visits, and viola!

Unless there is a smoking gun here, the facts and the conclusions will be whatever the NFL and Wells says they are.

lurker1965 · May 5, 2015

Rob0729 said:
I still don't think Goodell is out to get the Patriots. I think this time he may be on the Pats' side. If he finds out that Kensil and/or Grigson tried to set up the Pats and kept on leaking info to the media to smear the Pats especially during the weeks up to the Super Bowl, I think he is going to come down hard on them. I think he did not like that there was a major controversy right before the Super Bowl after the Ray Rice, Greg Hardy, and Adrian Peterson messes this season.

I forget where I read it, but one theory is Goodell wanted to clean house of guys that politically removing without cause would be, um, problematic. The Wells report will give him "cause" to do the firings he wants to do while having a "heavy heart."

Rob0729 said:
It wasn't the worst case of tampering. Not even close. Hell, I don't even think it was the worst case of tampering in the last six months. I think what the Dolphins did with Suh was a worst case of tampering. Everyone knew they were going to sign him a week before the legal tampering period even started.

OK, the worst executed.

rochrist · May 5, 2015

Ross Tucker on tonight. "I expect they'll find the Pats didn't do anything so they'll just fine them."

VectorPrime · May 5, 2015

rochrist said:
Ross Tucker on tonight. "I expect they'll find the Pats didn't do anything so they'll just fine them."

Im stll waiting for the full rational for fining us for literally obeying the universal laws of physics.

karguy85 · May 5, 2015

VectorPrime said:
I want to hear the full rational for fining us for literally obeying the universal laws of physics.

Because it's the Patriots so Einstein's theories are not an excuse.

Froob · May 5, 2015

Einstein's theories weren't in the spirit of the rules. Perhaps we should change them?

shmessy · May 5, 2015

rochrist said:
Ross Tucker on tonight. "I expect they'll find the Pats didn't do anything so they'll just fine them."

Ross Tucker did nothing wrong, so the the police will just arrest him.

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