We didn't get a tall WR in FA or the draft? Why?

meatface · May 4, 2015

Froob said:
Not sure I'd include Tyms in there lol. But yeah generally agree. As long as a solid 4th guy emerges (maybe Gibson?) they should be fine. If not, then it would be a little concerning because Edelman and Dola have both had their fair share of injuries.

I'd much rather see Dobson get the opportunity over Tyms, I don't really get some fans fascination with Tyms. Tyms contribution on ST do give him an advantage that Dobson isnt likely to mirror.

Canuck · May 4, 2015

I think if he could have acquired a veteran receiver cheap enough, he would have signed one in FA. He probably thought that any WR he drafted in the later rounds would be no better then Dobson. It wouldn't surprise me to see Belichick still add a few receivers to the mix, even if it's just to add competition for the wr on the roster.

Username · May 4, 2015

I don't see a need for a veteran WR added to the mix, regardless of his measurables. There's nothing any of the available veterans could add to the mix, Andre Johnson might've been an option but other than that....

Reggie Wayne is toast. I'm pretty sure the Patriots evaluate players on what they can do now and in the future, not what they've done in the past. On that basis, I could see maybe one more UDFA WR being added to the mix, someone like Nigel King, who's got all the ingredients to become something special but not the sample size of games under his belt yet and should've stayed in school. If he works out, he'd be a completely different option, if not then so be it. Our receiving corps are still elite based on production if not reputation.

DarrylS · May 4, 2015

Guess we have moved on from a "WR who can stretch the field" or "A WR who can take the top off"... despite the ineptitude of the WR group we continue to score a lot of points and win Superbowls..

A lot or these veteran WR's have been playing in another system their career, so to come and adapt here is not all that easy for them, and in reality not necessary for this team.

scott99 · May 4, 2015

My disappointment doesn't necessarily come from not drafting or signing a BIG receiver, it's that that position was virtually ignored when the last 2 drafts were FULL of top notch receiver talent. Two of the DEEPEST WR drafts we may ever see. Just in the 5th round alone, there were way better talents/value picks at WR than we will ever see than a deep snapper that might night play for two years. Same goes for the 2014 draft, picking guard Halopia (spelling) over some receivers who produced and have excellent talent.

I love Edelman, Amendola and Lafell. But Edelman might already have concussion issues, and Amendola is wildly inconsistent. The depth behind those guys are HUGE question marks. God forbid injuries strike, we are pretty much ****ed.

Jackson 2 · May 4, 2015

scott99 said:
My disappointment doesn't necessarily come from not drafting or signing a BIG receiver, it's that that position was virtually ignored when the last 2 drafts were FULL of top notch receiver talent. Two of the DEEPEST WR drafts we may ever see. Just in the 5th round alone, there were way better talents/value picks at WR than we will ever see than a deep snapper that might night play for two years. Same goes for the 2014 draft, picking guard Halopia (spelling) over some receivers who produced and have excellent talent.

I love Edelman, Amendola and Lafell. But Edelman might already have concussion issues, and Amendola is wildly inconsistent. The depth behind those guys are HUGE question marks. God forbid injuries strike, we are pretty much ****ed.

Speculating that Edelman "might already have concussion issues..." is a stretch. Other than the SB episode, which has never been substantiated, when has he ever been sidelined due to a concussion?

scott99 · May 4, 2015

Jackson 2 said:
Speculating that Edelman "might already have concussion issues..." is a stretch. Other than the SB episode, which has never been substantiated, when has he ever been sidelined due to a concussion?

Didn't he miss the last couple of games of the 2014 season due to a concussion ? I believe he had one in 2011 or 2012 as well.

Ivan · May 4, 2015

OhExaulted1 said:
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I think I pissed my pants meat.

The fact that you aren't sure is cause for real concern.

Leemo · May 4, 2015

Dobson has got another chance, if he fails this season and Amendola is nothing more than average then we move on from them next off season. Our system is notoriously difficult to grasp even for established vets, so I think our WR board is much smaller than the majority if teams, a certqin level if intellegance is required. Dobson/Tyms know the system already so give us more, if they can stay healthy, than the majority of rookies would at least for next season. Personally I would have taken a WR though, not to play much this year but grasp the system then if the day cines next off season where Dola/Dobson go then we have someone ready to go..

OhExaulted1 · May 4, 2015

Leemo said:
Dobson has got another chance, if he fails this season and Amendola is nothing more than average then we move on from them next off season. Our system is notoriously difficult to grasp even for established vets, so I think our WR board is much smaller than the majority if teams, a certqin level if intellegance is required. Dobson/Tyms know the system already so give us more, if they can stay healthy, than the majority of rookies would at least for next season. Personally I would have taken a WR though, not to play much this year but grasp the system then if the day cines next off season where Dola/Dobson go then we have someone ready to go..

We just need to re-sign Randy Moss, then everything will work out. That's the answer.

Bourne Again Christian · May 4, 2015

Nigel King signed with the Dolphins.

Bombdog · May 4, 2015

Actually we did bring in a tall receiver. Devin Gardner. I know he played QB at Michigan. But he has played receiver in the past. 6ft 4 216 with good speed and a great attitude. There is no pressure for him to start immediately. The Pats will take him and develop him just like they did with Edleman. If it works out it could be steal. If it doesn't what do they lose a UDFA. Its a no lose situation.

RobertWeathers · May 4, 2015

meatface said:
I'd much rather see Dobson get the opportunity over Tyms, I don't really get some fans fascination with Tyms. Tyms contribution on ST do give him an advantage that Dobson isnt likely to mirror.

Dobson is more talented, more refined player than Tyms. He is better. Period

Before he got hurt he was having a fine 2013 rookie season.

His 2014 off season and regular season was a disaster.

2015 TC and preseason will tell us if he has the right stuff.

Rob0729 · May 4, 2015

supafly said:
Let's not forget that they also went after Stevie Johnson a month or so ago, while we all waited patiently for his decision.

Belichick obviously has had some thoughts on improving the competition and depth chart.

I am still thinking that if the Pats signed Stevie Johnson that Amendola might have been cut. It was before Amendola re-did his deal. I don't know if Stevie Johnson was being added to the receiving corp or replacing Amendola.

But Stevie Johnson is a case of a guy who's value was way down after two subpar years, but is capable of being a 1,000 yard receiver if motivated. It is one of those cases where the Pats thought they could get an A/B list talent at a C/D list price. The Pats always go after guys like that even if they don't have a huge need.

RobertWeathers · May 4, 2015

Joker said:
The Seahawks had the best defense in the league last season. The Pats put up 28 points on that defense and WON the Super Bowl, primarily through the air. They NEED big tall fast wideout receivers? Is there some other trophy beyond the Super Bowl that is going to require this immediate upgrade?

Well I think having a big target on the outside does add another option in the offense.

Not a critical need but a very nice to have.

RobertWeathers · May 4, 2015

Rob0729 said:
I am still thinking that if the Pats signed Stevie Johnson that Amendola might have been cut. It was before Amendola did his deal. I don't know if Stevie Johnson was being added to the receiving corp or replacing Amendola.

I thought the same thing. Regardless with the money, I don't think Johnson would have gotten the targets he would want in this offense anyway. He'd be the 4th option and with Jules, Gronk and LaFell that's ~50 touches max.

Rob0729 · May 4, 2015

People have been crying that this team needs a deep threat for years and obviously Belichick, Caserio, and McDaniels disagree. This team is just not designed that way. It isn't Brady's strength to huck it down the field and they do just fine with running a more horizontal than vertical offense.

Everyone points to Moss as to why the Pats need a deep threat, but Moss was a special player that the Pats revised their offense to accommodate his strengths. You do that with a Hall of Fame WR. You don't do that with a WR drafted in the 3rd round.

The Pats don't need a big receiver either to be a big target in the red zone. They already have Gronk, Chandler, LaFell, and hopefully Dobson can rebound after a year off the foot surgery. Maybe Tim Wright emerges after an entire offseason digesting the system (remember it took Gaffney almost a year to be productive with the Pats). The Pats have plenty of red zone targets.

WR was just not a pressing need. They have three WR who are capable of starting (Edelman, LaFell, Amendola). They have one WR who if he can rebound from injury might be capable of being a starter and possibly a good starter (Dobson). They might need a 4th-6th WR.

tom444 · May 4, 2015

Concerning Edelman

scott99 said:
Didn't he miss the last couple of games of the 2014 season due to a concussion ? I believe he had one in 2011 or 2012 as well.

He did miss two games in 2014 due to a concussion, I can't remember 2011/12. I think it's a concern.

OhExaulted1 · May 4, 2015

Rob0729 said:
People have been crying that this team needs a deep threat for years and obviously Belichick, Caserio, and McDaniels disagree. This team is just not designed that way. It isn't Brady's strength to huck it down the field and they do just fine with running a more horizontal than vertical offense.

Everyone points to Moss as to why the Pats need a deep threat, but Moss was a special player that the Pats revised their offense to accommodate his strengths. You do that with a Hall of Fame WR. You don't do that with a WR drafted in the 3rd round.

The Pats don't need a big receiver either to be a big target in the red zone. They already have Gronk, Chandler, LaFell, and hopefully Dobson can rebound after a year off the foot surgery. Maybe Tim Wright emerges after an entire offseason digesting the system (remember it took Gaffney almost a year to be productive with the Pats). The Pats have plenty of red zone targets.

WR was just not a pressing need. They have three WR who are capable of starting (Edelman, LaFell, Amendola). They have one WR who if he can rebound from injury might be capable of being a starter and possibly a good starter (Dobson). They might need a 4th-6th WR.

Yeah Rob. I was just getting a little concerned with the "We need a WR" outcry. Some posters here think it's an end all be all referendum because we brought some in for workouts and showed a little FA interest.

As we know that's not how it turned out. We signed a catch-passing RB to take Vereens spot (Cadet), an under-the-market WR (Gibson) for depth and a huge TE (Chandler) to make our system work. This is where this team is going in terms of the passing game.

Bombs away was 8 years ago. Not our offense anymore.

patfanken · May 4, 2015

supafly said:
I think you make a fine point, Ken, and I respect your stance on the matter. I can't however, agree with the thought that we didn't select anyone due to Tyms (barely re-signed after no one else showed interest), Boyce (cut, and re-signed to the practice squad), and Dobson.

In other words, you may have a much better argument pointing out the low numbers for the WR3-4-5 positions, historically; or the thought that there's enough competition with Gibson (don't sleep on him), Dobson, and Dorsey. Let's remember that Belichick just made bigger name FA Stevie Johnson an offer, so obviously he's not quite as "satisfied" with the depth chart and potential as some here are suggesting.

There may/may not be a relationship between prioritizing other positions and choices over WR in the draft, and Belichick being happy with guys like Aaron Dobson, but I don't think we can make the strong assumptions that Belichick feels comfortable about the position. Just my opinion, of course.

I don't agree with much of what you wrote, sup, but thanks for reminding me about Gibsom. If he comes back to full health and "gets" the offense, the Pats might have found a real diamond in the rough, and it will make the decision on which WR's to keep even THAT much more difficult

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