Let me tell you about Jordan Richards

mcmurtry86 · May 3, 2015

Brady6 said:
I don't even listen to Mel Kiper or read his ranks. I say what I said about Richards based on his physical skill level.

Belichick has won 4 SBs we all know that. He also has missed on players like Tavon Wilson in the past, so everything he touches is not gold. Richards and Grissom were not good selections at that juncture in the draft.

Belichick has also drafted guys that the media and fans think are great value and seen those guys fans (e.g. Chad Jackson). He's also done well (very well) on guys media and fans thought were reaches at the time.

mcmurtry86 · May 3, 2015

Bostonian1962 said:
Does anybody think he would not have been there in round 3 or 4, and if he wasn't, so what?

There was one guy who thought he would not have been there in round 3 or 4. One guy who knows a whole lot more about what the NFL inner offices really think of players.

It's funny how every year, guys with Mel Kiper 1st/2nd round grades fall to the 3rd, 4th or 5th round and yet every year fans think they know where NFL teams really value guys. Teams have access to a lot more information than we (or Mel Kiper et al.) have.

hambone1818 · May 3, 2015

The more I read about this kid and see some of his highlights the more I'm enamored with the pick. Kind of incredible that he lasted until the 7th but I ain't complaining. The camp battles in the secondary will be very interesting this year.

shmessy · May 3, 2015

betterthanthealternative said:
And as has been cited, drafting him in the 5th vs. the 7th provides him with a better shot of convincing the Navy to let him play immediately...a 5th round choice being a more serious commitment and comes with better money.

Google "David Robinson NBA 1st round pick".

And then tell me how the Navy will be convinced to let this 5th round NFL draft pick join the Patriots this year.

PatSunday · May 3, 2015

1) Nobody really mentions this, but smart, grounded players want to be around other smart, grounded players. It's like anybody else at any other job.

2) If such a player becomes known as a leader on the field and that leads to one amazing player signing with the Patriots because we have intelligent, helpful leaders, that's a win. And if the leaders are not breaking the bank, that's more money available to sign freaks of nature who want to join, and the smart leaders will keep them in check.

3) Our GM is a coach who expects to coach the players up. He does not expect someone to be a superstar after two to three years as a starter in college.

hambone1818 · May 3, 2015

scott99 said:
Maybe we can get lucky with some late round DBs like Seattle did.

I'm getting WAY ahead of myself but IF some of these late-rounders turn into gems, this defense could be scary good--'03-04 good. They may not need to be elite with Brady, Edelman, Lafell and Gronk doing their thing but this was already a young defense, add in all these draftees and the future for the D looks pretty spectacular, even if a few turn into pumpkins.

dex13 · May 3, 2015

love the way he tackles. some good recognition leading to ints and pds. One concern is that on a few of those long passes, he doesn't turn his head which is tailor made for PIs in today's NFLs especially with QBs like jump ball Joe. Like the length and how he gets in between the receiver and the ball. He just needs some good coaching and he could be a good CB.

Bourne Again Christian · May 3, 2015

I feel the exact same way

BobDigital · May 3, 2015

Here is some good tape on him. I like to watch games opposed to highlight reels

His main issue IMO is he tends to over pursue and sometimes takes himself out of the play.

Also his technique is a bit sloppy at times and takes bad positioning but is often able to make up with it due to his athleticism at this level.

When he does cover well and plays disciplined he clearly shows the ability to make it in the NFL.

50-yard-line · May 3, 2015

Really tired of hearing people slamming on Tavon Wilson. He hasn't worked out as hoped, sure, but he's been contributing on ST and as a back-up, including a couple of pretty big plays this year.

He was picked 48th in 2012.

Behind him:

Kendell Reyes, DL - good player, but we had already taken Chandler Jones
Isiah Pead, RB - who?
Jerel Worthy, DT - cut by New England last year
Zach Brown, LB - we had already taken Dont'e Hightower
Devon Still, DT - cut 2 years later after mediocre career - brought back (daughter has cancer)
Ryan Broyles, RB - 32 receptions in three years.
Peter Konz, C - Underwhelming Center in round 2?
Mike Adams, OT - trainwreck
Brock Osweiler, QB - no need
LaVonte David, LB - Okay, wish we had this guy!!!! Still, already drafted Hightower
Vinny Curry, DE - Situational player having a good career - we already had Jones
Kelechi Osemele, T/G - good pick by the Ravens
LaMichael James, RB - nothing...good football name, though
Casey Hayward, CB - started 9 games in 3 years on that vaunted Green Bay secondary
Ruebin Randle, WR - starting to have a good career

Go to the 3rd round that year - little there.

Next Safety taken, Brandon Taylor, is an unsigned FA.
Next Safety after that, Brandon Hardin, has no career stats that I can find and now finds himself on the depth chart of the JEST.

Wilson's better than either of them, so who's to say he would have been around later?
Same with Richards this year...it's not just where someone's rated, it's where the next of his position might be taken.

tom444 · May 3, 2015

People, including all the talking heads, said they picked Mayo a couple of rounds early also.

"The top of the 2008 draft was littered with stars, and the Patriots could have gone in a myriad of directions. They traded the seventh pick to the Saints to slide down to 10th (and pick up a third-rounder), where they picked up Tennessee linebacker Jerod Mayo"

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2010/02/patriots-get-job-done-in-2008-draft-with-jerod-mayo-pick/

unoriginal · May 3, 2015

His tape versus FAU in 2014 is similarly hit or miss.

Always close to his receiver, can make plays on the ball, incredible closing speed and break-up ability in zone and off man. Never loses his man over the top in press man.

Press man, rarely gets his hands on the receiver, rarely contests inside release, easily beaten on comebacks. Backpedal is atrocious in off coverage. Actually looks uncomfortable doing it. Loves to turn and run.

He's active in run support but tackling is mediocre. Does play special teams, is a safety on the kickoff team.

Another thing to consider is that for Marshall he is always the boundary corner, which tells you Marshall felt he was their second best corner.

ATippett56 · May 3, 2015

my boy ..... Darryl Roberts

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...raft-contest-2015.1119177/page-4#post-4184614

The Gr8est · May 3, 2015

RayClay said:
Why would you know that?

His "grade" was probably based on one report somewhere during hi 3-4 years, then every other "expert" copied that.

Now you think you "know" where he was going to be picked better than a team that scouted and interviewed him and knows which other teams did and which other teams were looking for that type of player.

NFL front offices "know" some things. Frankly, you don't.

Another example of that is the Pats trade with Green Bay in the 5th round. They got shortchanged value wise but reports were that the Pats goal was to keep another AFCE team, probably Buffalo since the Rats had already drafted Petty, from getting him.

So the Pats had reason to believe that not only was Buffalo likely to nab Hundley, they also knew that GB was likely to draft a backup QB and would be amenable to a trade.

If Hundley is to become a player then keeping him from Buffalo is well worth the lesser trade value received from Green Bay.

I don't know if this is true or not, but it IS true that these teams know much more about these players, and what other teams interests may be than we do.

mihap · May 3, 2015

anyone know what is his wonderlic

Brady6 · May 3, 2015

Brady6 said:
Something I have noticed in recent years is intelligence makes a huge difference in the secondary. Revis isn't the most physically talented CB in the NFL but he is very smart in his coverage, Sherman as much as he is a loud mouth has a high IQ. For this reason I'm actually high on Richards. I don't love the placement of his pick but I am happy we picked him.

I have been thinking all season but I have not mentioned it because I didn't want to open a thread that had a lot of naysayers but I will say it now. I think they should move Tavon Wilson to CB. I think he could be very effective in a Brandon Browner role against bigger players. He was a CB as a senior in college and his struggles in the NFL are not in coverage ever they are with angles and reading plays in front of him.

50-yard-line said:
Really tired of hearing people slamming on Tavon Wilson. He hasn't worked out as hoped, sure, but he's been contributing on ST and as a back-up, including a couple of pretty big plays this year.

He was picked 48th in 2012.

Behind him:

Kendell Reyes, DL - good player, but we had already taken Chandler Jones
Isiah Pead, RB - who?
Jerel Worthy, DT - cut by New England last year
Zach Brown, LB - we had already taken Dont'e Hightower
Devon Still, DT - cut 2 years later after mediocre career - brought back (daughter has cancer)
Ryan Broyles, RB - 32 receptions in three years.
Peter Konz, C - Underwhelming Center in round 2?
Mike Adams, OT - trainwreck
Brock Osweiler, QB - no need
LaVonte David, LB - Okay, wish we had this guy!!!! Still, already drafted Hightower
Vinny Curry, DE - Situational player having a good career - we already had Jones
Kelechi Osemele, T/G - good pick by the Ravens
LaMichael James, RB - nothing...good football name, though
Casey Hayward, CB - started 9 games in 3 years on that vaunted Green Bay secondary
Ruebin Randle, WR - starting to have a good career

Go to the 3rd round that year - little there.

Next Safety taken, Brandon Taylor, is an unsigned FA.
Next Safety after that, Brandon Hardin, has no career stats that I can find and now finds himself on the depth chart of the JEST.

Wilson's better than either of them, so who's to say he would have been around later?
Same with Richards this year...it's not just where someone's rated, it's where the next of his position might be taken.

Wilson has the lowest QB rating against of any Patriots DB over the past 2 seasons. He might not be getting a lot of reps but he is actually very effective in the hybrid safety/LB role. The kid has the same amount of interceptions in the last 3 seasons as Revis. He is not all bad so I agree with your position. He is a good ST player and contributes on defense. Not sure why posters choose to compare players to the 1 or maybe 2 studs in a round and say why didn't we draft him, well because they were the anomalies. Second round DBs are not generally stars, when it happens it is a rarity.

50-yard-line · May 3, 2015

Brady6 said:
Wilson has the lowest QB rating against of any Patriots DB over the past 2 seasons. He might not be getting a lot of reps but he is actually very effective in the hybrid safety/LB role. The kid has the same amount of interceptions in the last 3 seasons as Revis. He is not all bad so I agree with your position. He is a good ST player and contributes on defense. Not sure why posters choose to compare players to the 1 or maybe 2 studs in a round and say why didn't we draft him, well because they were the anomalies. Second round DBs are not generally stars, when it happens it is a rarity.

And it's clearly a role BB relishes - he drafted two potential Wilson replacements should they not come to terms with him after next year (or did they extend him/pick up his option?).

Anyway, I like the guy and respect the way he holds that 1st down marker on 3rd and long.

dex13 · May 3, 2015

mihap said:
anyone know what is his wonderlic

those results are supposed to be private

mgteich · May 3, 2015

patsinthesnow said:
All he has to do to make the team is be a better outside CB than Fletcher, Dennard (doghouse), or Ryan.

That's all?

If Belichick thought that Roberts were better than Fletcher, Dennard or Ryan, he might have drafted him in the late 3rd round or in the 4th. He certainly would have drafted him in the 6th instead of Wells. To Belichick, Roberts was NOT good enough to use the 177th pick for. Belichick and all the rest of the GM's passed on Roberts for 7 full rounds.

mgteich · May 3, 2015

robertweathers said:
Darryl Roberts

http://m.bleacherreport.com/article...ew-england-patriots-full-draft-pick-breakdown

After reading this, really optimistic on his chances to make the team!

Reading that kind of information didn't convince Belichick or any of the GM's to draft Roberts until the bottom of the 7th round.

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