Brady at the MGM grand

strngplyr said:

I fully agree, in rds 10-12 he should have gone all in, he had to have known he was down by a few points, theres no way he truly thought it was close enough to fight how he did.

That's partly why I'm not sure he was SUPPOSED to win. I'm not big on conspiracies, but Pacman has either gotten VERY soft of Mayweather was winning that fight now matter what.

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Manny wining would have been better for the sport just on fans alone. Odds were in Mayweather favor. Not sure what anyone would gain fixing something that big.

Deus Irae said:

I hear you about the differences. To me, MMA is just a street fight with a referee and gloves, and a street fight has no business having either a referee or gloves.

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For the most part, yes, but I love when fighters are also great grapplers and wrestlers, that's what draws me to MMA, when a fight shifts from standup boxing to an on the mat wrestling match, back to standing, etc.

Sticky Caulk said:

Manny wining would have been better for the sport just on fans alone. Odds were in Mayweather favor. Not sure what anyone would gain fixing something that big.

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Mayweather is a fantastic heel. You're underestimating the power of that, and staying undefeated to retire. He brings more money than anyone ever has. Negotiating king.

If you had to choose someone to bring the biggest buck to your sport who are you picking? The happy friendly smiling born again christian Pacquiao or the ******* Mayweather, who everyone LOVES to hate because he's all about the benjamins and knows exactly what to say to get you riled up enough to watch?

I just wish we could get a few truly high quality heavyweights. That's what boxing needs, but it's not going to happen.

Fight was 4 or 5 years too late. MP would of been a lot tougher challenge back then.

Still, I commend both fighters for the performance.

I just watched two lightweights dance around for 12 rounds and read later that they'll walk away with approximately 50-70M after taxes for it.

Yeah I know there's a strategy and everything but small Filipino guy 1/2 heartedly chasing around a guy much bigger than him just looks ridiculous.

Whatever happened to the good old days of Ali-Foreman or Ali-Fraiser?

YOUGOTMOSSED said:

I just watched two lightweights dance around for 12 rounds and read later that they'll walk away with approximately 50-70M after taxes for it.

Yeah I know there's a strategy and everything but small Filipino guy 1/2 heartedly chasing around a guy much bigger than him just looks ridiculous.

Whatever happened to the good old days of Ali-Foreman or Ali-Fraiser?

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Huge salaries in the NBA and NFL.

Wheelman said:

So What happened?

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Classic Floyd fight. He put on a clinic.

Meaning, it was boring as hell and a good waste of $100.

That looked pretty close to Mayweather's last 4 fights I can remember. Nothing special. Lots and lots of defense.

The atmosphere and hype added to the aura of the fight.

Patriot Missile said:

Fight was 4 or 5 years too late. MP would of been a lot tougher challenge back then.

Still, I commend both fighters for the performance.

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I don't think so. Mayweather isn't as fast as he was in his prime either. Pacquiao is a one punch guy that always has trouble with quick, smart defense and counter. He needs the other boxer to come to him.

Morales made him look terrible and he had a couple decisions that went his way that shouldn't have vs Marquez who finally said screw it the fourth time they fought and knocked Pacman out. He lost by being that one dimensional fighter that good fighters get a read on and counter.

People talk about Mayweather picking and choosing easier opponents, but Pacquiao did the same. Everyone gives Pac the excuse of age, but Mayweather is older. People hate Mayweather because he is a woman beater, which they should, but Pac has his own demons. That's why he's all religious now.

I will agree with anyone that Mayweather needs to be replaced. He has one more fight and he probably retires (Showtime contract is for one more fight). He's a bad person and I don't blame everyone for disliking him. He's still the best boxer currently, but his style is not going to win fans, just like the left wing lock, dump and chase and the trap hurt hockey's growth in the nineties. That said, true fans enjoy and appreciate what he does in the ring. I have never once felt disappointed in a Mayweather fight, but I will not tell someone else they shouldn't be.

condon84 said:

Classic Floyd fight. He put on a clinic.

Meaning, it was boring as hell and a good waste of $100.

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The boring came from Pac. He didn't attack but a few fluries. We know Mayweather comes for a check but a lot of people were under the illusion that Pacman was more than that. Pacman should have known Mayweather was a better boxer than him from the beginning and went for broke Gatti style.

Deus Irae said:

I hear you about the differences. To me, MMA is just a street fight with a referee and gloves, and a street fight has no business having either a referee or gloves.

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You may be abrasive, but that's an opinion I can't help but agree with. I'd add no business being glorified either.

Deus Irae said:

I hear you about the differences. To me, MMA is just a street fight with a referee and gloves, and a street fight has no business having either a referee or gloves.

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This is such an ignorant view of martial arts. Most fighters in MMA have studied one or many martial arts for years. Take high level Jiu Jitsu for instance, a 15olb jiu jitsu black belt could tap Gronk within a minute - no joke. It takes 8-10 years (on average) to become a BB in jiu jitsu. That's just one facet, add to that Muay Thai, wrestling, boxing, and to a lesser degree, karate, etc. - it's hardly a street fight. MMA can be brutal, but it is combat in the truest sense and demonstrates the full human potential. To the uninformed, it may look like 2 guys in a bar fight, but that's like saying football is just a bunch of dumb jocks running after a ball.

I pine for the days of Muhammad Ali vs. Frazier or Liston or Patterson... those were much better days for boxing in general.. maybe the boxers were more likable.. there was an element of theatrics and we all wanted to watch him weave his pugilistic magic..

Does anyone remember the Liston vs. Ali fight in Lewiston in 1965??? Less than two minutes into the fight Liston was on the ground and Ali stood over him taunting him..

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I just wish we could get a few truly high quality heavyweights. That's what boxing needs, but it's not going to happen.

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Agreed.

Boxing is a much better sport when the heavyweight division is competitive. It's been rubbish for years now.

Rex vs Mayweather would have been more exciting.

Sticky Caulk said:

Manny wining would have been better for the sport just on fans alone. Odds were in Mayweather favor. Not sure what anyone would gain fixing something that big.

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Agreed.

Fixing the fight in Pacs favor would have definitely brought on a rematch generating a fortune possibly bigger than this fight for boxing. There will be no Mayweather vs Pac II.

Sticky Caulk said:

People say this after a hyped up fight, every time. Boxing is not always Tyson. Actually, it rarely is. The way those two went at it is unbelievable and hard to really understand unless you try to do it yourself. Stuff is crazy.

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Actually, I got used to "hyped" up fights normally being very good having grown up in the era of Sugar Ray Leonard, Marvin Hagler, Roberto Duran, and Thomas "The Hitman" Hearns along with a decent heavyweight era of Larry Holmes, Evander Holyfield, George Foreman, and of course Tyson. Can't believe Foreman was even still around at that point, but what really ruined boxing was the likes of Don Phuckface King.

Deus Irae said:

I'm not an MMA fan. I tried to develop a taste for it, but I just can't.

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I agree. I'd rather watch a four man tag team match with Hulk Hogan, HillBilly Jim, the Iron Shiek and King Kong Bundy. You knew it was fake, but at least it was entertaining. MMA just doesn't do it for me.

If this was what happened why was mayweather so afraid to fight him all these years, would a young pac have won?