Perspective Thread: Belichick briefly explains what he saw in Richards and Grissom

Snake Eyes said:

Montana was taken in the 3rd round, less luck there than counting on a 6th round pick to become the GOAT.

Hiring Walsh was a great decision by Debartolo.

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Hiring Belichick and giving him total control of football operations was the best move Bob Kraft ever made. And taking Tom Brady, keeping four QBs and then shipping off the franchise and developing Brady into the GOAT was not a matter of luck, it was great decision making and great coaching by the GOAT. Treating Belichicks legacy like it is Sh.t luck takes a level of arrogance I can't even begin to imagine, which is why I attribute it more to a lethal mix of ego and ignorance

Snake Eyes said:

Take a look at the remainder of Bledsoe's career, that'll give you an idea.

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And I guarantee you were among those screeching about getting rid of the blue Chip 1st overall franchise QB in favor of the 6th round clip board holder. Belichick made the decisions, he gets the credit as he would get the blame.

Snake Eyes said:

Take a look at the remainder of Bledsoe's career, that'll give you an idea.

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So Belichick would have been a failure. Lmao, that is truly the most moronic analogy possible.

Snake Eyes said:

**** Rehbein was the one who advocated for TFB, it wasn't BB who saw a diamond in the rough with him.

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Belichick makes the picks.

scott99 said:

BB has done this a lot lately, and it has never worked out.

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Hahaha…That one cracked me up. Four straight trips to the AFC Championship game, 2 SB appearances, and bringing home the Lombardi last season.

Its a shame none of BB's picks have worked out?

I recall the outcry when BB picked Richard Seymore instead of David Terrell. I recall the outcry when he reached for Sebastian Vollmer in the 2nd round. The guy was 2nd team All Pro in his 2nd year and when healthy has played elite football but I suppose none of that matters. Nor does it matter that Harmon made a game saving / season saving interception in a playoff run that ended with a Super Bowl Championship.

If only some of Belichicks picks worked out once in a while. Its so hard being a Patriots fan…ROTFLMAO

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This is groundhog day, no matter how successful the Parrots are the same idiots make the same idiotic arguments every year at this time. I'm out, this is to stupid to engage in.

The "The Brady pick was pure luck" is a little overblown. **** Rehbein says hi.

Draft him, the quarterbacks coach told his bosses. Find a round and draft him. **** had a habit of calling his wife after every round, and as dozens of picks passed on the big day, **** told Pam he was getting nervous. Then the phone rang. "We got him, we got him," **** told Pam. The Patriots had taken Brady with the 199th pick. Before long, **** was ordering Brady to read up on George Patton. He wanted to mold a leader. "Someday this is going to be a Joe Montana or Brett Favre," **** would tell his wife.

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It took 15 years but I'm just done questioning Bill. He always seems to make it work. Sure some picks are busts but I would rather have bill than any other person making these decisions. It's fun reading these discussions though.

KontradictioN said:

For a coach that is supposedly all about value in the draft, he sure didn't see the value or maybe waiting a couple of rounds for the Wilsons and Harmons of the world. Hopefully Richards isn't version 3.0.

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Well to try and put a positive spin on this... since BB has missed so much in the 2nd round on defensive backs, hes bound to hit on one eventually... right?

PatsFanInVa said:

The "The Brady pick was pure luck" is a little overblown. **** Rehbein says hi.

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Bingo,

iirc in the Brady 6 video they gave some perspective on that draft room (I think from bb): 'brady was viewed as at worst a 4th rnd talent, but the team had other more pressing needs in 4 and 5 ( with 3 QBs already on roster). When the 6th rnd pick came up, " we said -what the hell is he still doing there, he should be long gone". So they took him.'

If anything, you have to count the Brady pick TWICE, not discount it. BB's process ( hire good guys and trust them --Rehbein) netted Brady as much as BB's personal judgement / draft prowess. And it WAS NOT SOME RANDOM LUCKY PICK, they systemically saw his potential as a value at TWO ROUNDS HIGHER than 31 other teams. They just couldn't act on it where they valued him.

The Pats themselves have played it down. Story becomes "Brady playing with a chip on his shoulder despite X super bowl rings." "Skinny player carrying a pizza box, Kraft calls him Kyle Brady, he says 'I'm Tom Brady, and I'm the best decision this team ever made.' " "Oh we had no idea what we were getting, aw shucks, lil ol' us?"

There was intense interest in Brady in NE.. at least compared to that "random luck" theory

Here is what I know this team will have a championship roster ready to go for the Pittsburgh game.

scott99 said:

Listen, I love the Patriots with all my heart, have loved them since 1975. BUT, I don't wear rose colored glasses. If I disagree with something they've done, I'm not gonna say "whoop dee ****ing do" Richards was a great ****ing pick and was a great value at #64. Because in fact, that was a horrible pick, will go down as a horrible pick, and there were TONS of MUCH BETTER AVAILABLE PLAYERS still there that were picked AFTER BB screwed the pooch and picked Richards.

To pass those guys up and take a special teams gunner at that spot is a sin. So many chances to make the team better, I can name them all if you like, and there is no disputing any of these guys are better football players and would have made this team BETTER.

I can guarantee you we will be watching Richards line up on special teams, he will be 3rd or 4th on the depth chart, because he can NOT cover anyone. This will go down as a legendarily bad pick. Hardly one of GOOD value. But I'm sure he's pretty smart. I have a cousin who had. 4.0 gpa, but like Richards, he wasn't special as a football player.

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Why don't you let them play first? You know nothing. BB craps out more football knowledge each morning than you've ever had. When you consistently draft # 30 or later you have to take flyers in order to hit it big. Would love to know what your thoughts were when Mankins and Vollmer were drafted. Why don't you tell us who you would have picked in those spots and we'll laugh at you as they get cut from teams with lesser rosters. You don't get to have "the field " on anyone drafted after these guys, you need to pick 2 specific players.

BB be all like

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Ivan said:

Hiring Belichick and giving him total control of football operations was the best move Bob Kraft ever made.

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Wait that's not what Tom Brady said...

scott99 said:

Actually, he has. Look at his secondary in the last 3 SB WINS, Harrison, Revis and Browner were all Free Agents. Most of the offensive linemen were Free Agents. Smith, Dillon and Blount were not Belichick draft choices. Vrabel, Ninkovich, I can go on and on. Sure there has been some GREAT picks in Brady and Gronk, but the results are VERY mixed. Lots of bombs. If you look at the players that missed big time, and the guys BB passed up that were picked shortly after, it's a main reason we lost Super Bowls. And yesterday repeated history.

I will NEVER discredit BB as a COACH. He's the GOAT, but as a drafter, he's truly a river boat gambler who has missed more than he's hit the last 10 years.

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Congrats scott99

You managed to hit every idiot point that should make Ian ban dumb azzes.....especially around draft time.

1. No..Belichick's drafting hasn't been very mixed. Every GM has busts, the only way you never have busts is to never draft. The reality is over the 14 years, the Patriots have had more picks and BB has no peer when it comes to UDFA's and league reclamation projects.........all the while having to maintain the same roster number.

In the end all that matters to prudent fans is the final roster. The clown car shows up here talking river boat BS.

2. Who says better football players were still on the board?

You? Kontradiction? Why would anyone seriously take the patsfans version of Dumb and Dumber player evaluation seriously?

3. Belichick could have had other players. He could also have a toxic waste dump or an animal burial site for a backyard. The reality is exactly what does he want.?Should he draft players he doesn't want because Dumb and Dumber want them?

4. Before running your mouth..........have it ever dawned on you to figure out exactly what is the plan? Where is Belichick going? Should he not draft players that meet those requirements?

This is exactly the problem listening to the same idiots who never understood the Wilson pick in 2012 now claim they were "right" all along. Kontradiction has zero problem running his mouth about it............it's the only thing he's ever been "right" about.........too bad it's for completely wrong reasons.

Go back to 2012 and read the material. Then go read what Belichick says this morning. He's evaluating players based on where his plan is going. That's not standard and he certainly (and thankfully) could not care less what you think.

scott99 said:

This is all good and fine, but you don't draft a special teams gunner in the 2nd round. Especially one you can get in the 5th round. We all talk about BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE, there is no way in hell, Richards was the best player available at pick #64, no way. I don't care how many championships you've won, Richards is not the 64th best player available, just like Tavon Wilson wasn't the best player available when he was chosen.

BB has done this a lot lately, and it has never worked out. Grissom is another example. This is a guy who had an MCL injury last year, stress fractures in BOTH feet in 2010 and 2012. He was not the BEST AVAILABLE PLAYER at #97. There were a lot better players available at that point.

I can guarantee these guys will be JAGS, I don't even have to watch them play to know they won't work out. They are typical BB over reaches and waste of 2nd and 3rd round slots that are very valuable.

There are certain things that you do that effect your future, Tavon Wilson, Richards, Grissom, were horrible picks that were wasted, when there were too notch players available to help your team CONTINUE to win.

2014 and 2015 were possibly the 2 deepest pools of top notch wide receivers in years. To NOT take a flyer on a top notch receiver and wast a 2nd round pick on a special team player is a sin.

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Last time I looked the Lombardi trophy for 2014 rests in Foxboro. Last time, I looked Tavon Wilson was on the World Championship team.

I understand that playing Safety is as much Defensive QB and organizer, as much as it requires individual talent. That is something , that you don't seem to understand. He'll probably play for 10 years.

I bet when you scout QBs you think Arm strength, and Running ability, are the only things that count. Which makes the careers of Joe Montana and Tom Brady wholly inexplicable to you, unless you realize that 90% of QB play takes place between the ears. Safety is only slightly less demanding of those immeasureables.

Everyone wants to complain about CBs. But the CB squad is deep, so deep that former starter Fonzie is ranked as a fifth or sixth CB by some foolish pseudo-scouts. In short, the days of going to a Superbowl with an Earth Wind and Fire, or a Sergio Brown, are long gone. There is no doubt that Revis will be missed, but there was not a single CB in this Draft that even resembles the talent of a Revis; and the Pats were in no position to draft the top two or three candidates.

The Offensive line has been buttressed with an apparent superior instant and dominant starter at G, joining last year's G in training, Cam Fleming.

I like this Draft. The Defense is now complete and comparable in premium talents to any in the AFCE or NFCW.

My only concern is at RB. But the front line talent appears to be there, and the questionable reserve RBBCs are only really measureable by the Coaches; and from the Draft they don't seem concerned.

scott99 said:

Yes, because BB has done so well in the draft the last 10 years.

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Eh, truth is, he has done well in the draft, among the top few in the league. Every GM hits on some picks and misses on others - overall BB has found more value than almost anyone else, except for the hindsight-drafters on patsfans.com.

Snake Eyes said:

I never said it was but that doesn't mean a particular decision of mine can't be better than his, and that's exactly what we're talking about.

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No we are talking about the liklihood. As I said you can be right just from dumb luck.