Perspective Thread: Belichick briefly explains what he saw in Richards and Grissom

Snake Eyes · May 2, 2015

Ivan said:
If you choose it then it would be, Belichick is lazy, sloppy, and doesn't do his homework. I'll bet he hasn't even finished Kipers Draft Guide so how can we expect him to know a good prospect when n he sees one?

Fail, strawman argument.

Snake Eyes · May 2, 2015

patsfan13 said:
Actually it is an appeal to empirical data, the Patriots have been BY FAR the most successful franchise operating in the salary cap era.

Reality, not conjecture.

Yeah, it's a lot easier to be that successful when you have the GOAT QB, and please don't claim selecting TFB is proof of their drafting skill, if they had the slightest clue as to what he'd become they'd have picked him long before the 6th round. They won the lottery with him.

Ivan · May 2, 2015

Snake Eyes said:
I've already said why your argument is flawed, just because one knows a process very well doesn't mean that process is the best one available. As for "dumb luck", better lucky than good. The only true way to compare is to see how the guy sitting behind the computer's picks have done as opposed to the other evaluator's picks, that's the best that can be done.

I wanted Keenan Allen rather than Dobson, do you really think we are better off for having taken Dobson?

Your entire argument is nothing more than an appeal to authority, try looking that up with "logical fallacies", I'd rather evaluate a decision based on the results.

Your entire argument is an appeal to ego, your own. There is literally nothing more comical than those who think they know more about these prospects than Belichick and Caserio do.

Ivan · May 2, 2015

Snake Eyes said:
Fail, strawman argument.

Why waste a good one on a moron?

Snake Eyes · May 2, 2015

Ivan said:
Why waste a good one on a moron?

Fail, Ad Hominem attack.

Snake Eyes · May 2, 2015

Ivan said:
Your entire argument is an appeal to ego, your own. There is literally nothing more comical than those who think they know more about these prospects than Belichick and Caserio do.

I never said I know more about them, the important thing is the importance of the additional information and how well one utilizes the info.

JackBauer · May 2, 2015

Snake Eyes said:
Yeah, it's a lot easier to be that successful when you have the GOAT QB, and please don't claim selecting TFB is proof of their drafting skill, if they had the slightest clue as to what he'd become they'd have picked him long before the 6th round. They won the lottery with him.

Empirically speaking, the Patriots are one of the best drafting teams in the NFL. The data bears this out. You can argue otherwise until you're blue in the face but it's really not a matter of opinion.

Ivan · May 2, 2015

Snake Eyes said:
I never said I know more about them, the important thing is the importance of the additional information and how well one utilizes the info.

And you think Belichick is under informed?

Snake Eyes · May 2, 2015

JackBauer said:
Empirically speaking, the Patriots are one of the best drafting teams in the NFL. The data bears this out. You can argue otherwise until you're blue in the face but it's really not a matter of opinion.

What data are you using to make that determination? Take away TFB and I think they'll look very different.

Snake Eyes · May 2, 2015

Ivan said:
And you think Belichick is under informed?

I never said his volume of data is insufficient, just that the way in which he applies the data may be less beneficial than it could be.

JackBauer · May 2, 2015

Snake Eyes said:
What data are you using to make that determination? Take away TFB and I think they'll look very different.

LOL. Take away the best player BB drafted and then make a determination? That is a...curious argument.

As for data:

http://www.sportingnews.com/list/46...seahawks-giants-jets-49ers-colts/slide/312660
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...ing-the-5-nfl-teams-that-are-best-at-drafting
http://sportswire.usatoday.com/2014...-49ers-tennessee-titans-new-england-patriots/

etc. etc. etc.

Ivan · May 2, 2015

Snake Eyes said:
I never said his volume of data is insufficient, just that the way in which he applies the data may be less beneficial than it could be.

That must be why they are the most successful franchise in the league since he took over the team, because he doesn't apply the information he has properly.

Belichick is building a team to play on Sundays, he's not engaged in taking Kiper's highest rated player for the best post draft grade on Sunday of draft weekend. And somehow Belichick always ends up with one of the best team's in football every season despite losing both free agency and the draft, at least according to the "experts."

Ivan · May 2, 2015

Snake Eyes said:
I never said his volume of data is insufficient, just that the way in which he applies the data may be less beneficial than it could be.

That's just a convoluted way of saying he would do much better if he would just listen to you.

Ivan · May 2, 2015

Snake Eyes said:
What data are you using to make that determination? Take away TFB and I think they'll look very different.

Take away Joe Montana and Bill Walsh..........

Snake Eyes · May 2, 2015

Ivan said:
That must be why they are the most successful franchise in the league since he took over the team, because he doesn't apply the information he has properly.

Belichick is building a team to play on Sundays, he's not engaged in taking Kiper's highest rated player for the best post draft grade on Sunday of draft weekend. And somehow Belichick always ends up with one of the best team's in football every season despite losing both free agency and the draft, at least according to the "experts."

How successful are they if they don't win the lottery by taking TFB?

Ivan · May 2, 2015

Snake Eyes said:
Yeah, it's a lot easier to be that successful when you have the GOAT QB, and please don't claim selecting TFB is proof of their drafting skill, if they had the slightest clue as to what he'd become they'd have picked him long before the 6th round. They won the lottery with him.

Don't know how, too slow, too weak, split time in college, will never be more than a back up.....

Snake Eyes · May 2, 2015

Ivan said:
Take away Joe Montana and Bill Walsh..........

Montana was taken in the 3rd round, less luck there than counting on a 6th round pick to become the GOAT.

Hiring Walsh was a great decision by Debartolo.

Ivan · May 2, 2015

Snake Eyes said:
How successful are they if they don't win the lottery by taking TFB?

You tell us?

Snake Eyes · May 2, 2015

JackBauer said:
LOL. Take away the best player BB drafted and then make a determination? That is a...curious argument.

As for data:

http://www.sportingnews.com/list/46...seahawks-giants-jets-49ers-colts/slide/312660
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...ing-the-5-nfl-teams-that-are-best-at-drafting
http://sportswire.usatoday.com/2014...-49ers-tennessee-titans-new-england-patriots/

etc. etc. etc.

**** Rehbein was the one who advocated for TFB, it wasn't BB who saw a diamond in the rough with him.

Snake Eyes · May 2, 2015

Ivan said:
You tell us?

Take a look at the remainder of Bledsoe's career, that'll give you an idea.

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