The Official 2015 NFL Draft Rounds 2-3 Thread

FortressX · May 2, 2015

TommyBrady12 said:
La'el Collins,

The baby died sometime Friday.
http://theadvocate.com/news/police/12259576-123/infant-child-of-slain-pregnant

His agent says he wont sign with any team that drafts him today.

Some people are still writing he will get picked in round 7 today.

Triumph · May 2, 2015

patsfaninpa said:
NT?? Why???

That's been taken care with Brown. All im saying is that heading into this draft those are the top needs to fill.

grux · May 2, 2015

I like to read Tom Bray's pre draft report around draft time. It helps keep things in perspective.

Measurables: Scouts were hard on Brady, as they are on most quarterbacks. They criticized his slow foot speed. They criticized his frame, saying he was too small. They criticized his arm strength. They said he couldn't throw a tight spiral. They said he couldn't improvise if a play broke down. Some even said that his good statistics were a product of him playing on a great team rather than him being a great player. Looking back, these criticisms are laughable. But at the time, those were legitimate concerns that made Brady's value plummet.

ZoisKing · May 2, 2015

Some of these second round picks are so bizarre. I'd love to see the Pats draft board to understand their rankings. They should publish them at some point for our entertainment.

OhExaulted1 · May 2, 2015

RayClay said:
You seriously think draft sites know more than NFL teams?

Of course. I always harken back to Draft expert Ron Borges. Imagine how great NE could have been if we would have selected David Terrell or Koren Robinson instead of Richard Seymour. We're talking 10 SB trophies.

Oswlek · May 2, 2015

Danger Zone said:
You say that, and yet I havent seen a single study grading drafts done over a similar frame of time that rates the Patriots as anything but among the best.

And I don't think you comprehend just how high the rate of misses to hits is across the league and ALL GMs.

31 other GMs could have come in here and picked for us for the past 10 years, and none of them will have consistently beaten league averages. That's the nature of betting on humans, its a highly, highly random environment in which to conduct business.

By the end of the 2nd round, every GM has a 50% bust rate.

By the end of the third, its up to around 75%

I think you'll find that Belichick in fact, does better than the vast majority of his colleagues and he does it with the greatest handicap of all.. trading in the worst average starting position for the past 15 years of ANY team in the NFL.

Why would anyone dislike a post that does nothing but state facts?

Ross12 said:
Breaking: Chris Mortensen reports 11 out of 12 Patsfans posters have significantly under inflated balls after the team didn't draft their binkies

LOL!

luuked said:
I don't understand your point. If the top remaining player according to your own evaluation process is available, why would you wait on picking him ?

To the uneducated public that just takes whatever consensus board CBS or NFL.com offers as gospel it might be a reach, sure. But those opinions are essentially as meaningful as a 40yd time for nose tackles. Not even beat reporters that have been following one specific team for decades are able to put together a close mock draft. Why would you listen to over generalized rankings made by people that maybe spend 30mins on a team.

And finally ever thought about why it is so hard for anyone to predict BB picks ? He doesn't exclusively stick with the classic positional molds, every year changes up/refines requirements for positions and tries to innovate some aspects. The draft is his cheap playground where he gets to try out new thoughts and concepts.

What I have seen in the first two days of the draft is a great, safe first round choice that will solidify our DL in the years to come. Then at the bottom of the second round a player who at the very least will be a core special teams player for the next five years with SS starter upside. And the third is exactly one of those experimental projects where BB can innovate some of his schemes. This is not a bad haul.

Today I am looking forward to get some depth players.

Well said. And more dislikes.

TommyBrady12 said:
by this logic BB would hit home runs with every draft pick. however, he makes mistakes on draft day too. they let some guy named clay matthews go when every pats fan knew they needed a pass rusher.

And NE ended up coming out substantially ahead on the deal, so why would anyone ever complain about it?

shmessy said:
OK, now you're just making stuff up.

And BTW, this board was an absolute splooge-fest the moment Chandler Jones was drafted.

Actually he wasn't. The overwhelming consensus was the Jones would need seasoning and Bequette would be the one to push for early playing time.

Tunescribe · May 2, 2015

Gronkowski123 said:
yup, without tb12 he wouldn't troll us with these bizarre players.

a projected 5th round safety in the 2nd round.

Yes, that damn BB is trolling the fan base once again via the draft, giving us the big middle finger ... you know, the one with that new ring on it.

Kontradiction · May 2, 2015

Tunescribe said:
Yes, that damn BB is trolling the fan base once again via the draft, giving us the big middle finger ... you know, the one with that new ring on it.

That he got because he finally realized he had to go the FA route to fix the secondary. I said in the draft forum as a minor joke that, whatever guys BB has rated high at WR and CB he should absolutely stay away from and instead pull the trigger on the CB's and WR's that he had rated the lowest. After watching Richards get selected in the second round, I'm beginning to wonder how much of a joke I really intended that to be.

SHOWTIME15 · May 2, 2015

Oswlek said:
Why would anyone dislike a post that does nothing but state facts?

LOL!

Well said. And more dislikes.

And NE ended up coming out substantially ahead on the deal, so why would anyone ever complain about it?

Actually he wasn't. The overwhelming consensus was the Jones would need seasoning and Bequette would be the one to push for early playing time.

#26 New England → Green Bay (D). New England traded the first-round selection it acquired from Baltimore (26th overall, used to select Clay Matthews) and a fifth-round selection (162nd overall) to Green Bay for a second-round selection (41st overall, used to select Darius Butler) and two third-round selections (73rd overall, traded to Jacksonville, who selected Derek Cox; and 83rd overall, used to select Brandon Tate).

i wouldn't call it substantially ahead even if they ended up taking gronk and edelman later on as a result. clay matthews is a HOFer.

stelfans · May 2, 2015

Hard to believe those 2 guys were BPA. In bill we trus i guess.. I actually like Grissom and had him mocked to the pats but with 7 picks or whatever is that they have im hoping for a stronger day 3.

Oswlek · May 2, 2015

TommyBrady12 said:
#26 New England → Green Bay (D). New England traded the first-round selection it acquired from Baltimore (26th overall, used to select Clay Matthews) and a fifth-round selection (162nd overall) to Green Bay for a second-round selection (41st overall, used to select Darius Butler) and two third-round selections (73rd overall, traded to Jacksonville, who selected Derek Cox; and 83rd overall, used to select Brandon Tate).

i wouldn't call it substantially ahead even if they ended up taking gronk and edelman later on as a result. clay matthews is a HOFer.

Gronk was a more complete player as a rookie than Clay has been at any point in his career. That trade is a home run.

pats61mod · May 2, 2015

supafly said:
Not sure that I'd consider the OL a "weakness for years." That's really stretching things from a team who generally wins 12-13 games just about every year. As a matter of fact, that terrible OL only gave up about 20 sacks for Tom Brady last year, which was one of the lowest numbers in the entire league for starting QBs.

That is true but how much of that has to do with having a QB behind them with insane defense recognition skills and who releases the ball on average within 2 seconds?

BobDigital · May 2, 2015

Crazy Patriot Guy said:
I hear you, and you may very well be right that he would have been there later. But look at some of the players still available. Many people would have bet their house lots of these guys would be gone long ago, and some of them might last until the 5th. So the question for those guys also becomes why.

I understand where you are coming from. The difference is we have confirmation from 31 other clubs that agree that these players are not as good as we thought or have some kind of red flag we are not aware of when they pass on them.

I know that does not mean they are right but it does mean they are seeing something we are not or know something we don't and it is a wide spread belief by all the experts in the field.

In this case it is just 1 person making a decision and we have no independent confirmation from other clubs that he is this good cause they don't get a chance to draft him. The only info we have is amateur scouting reports which while clearly are not 100% reliable are not just a blind guess either. They tend to be accurate at least in a ball park sense more then they are not.

patsfan13 · May 2, 2015

SInce none of the other 31 clubs have been as successful as the Patriots who gives a F** what they think.

BTW I call BS neither YOU nor anyone else know how the other 31 clubs have their draft boards stacked.

BobDigital · May 2, 2015

patsfan13 said:
SInce none of the other 31 clubs have been as successful as the Patriots who gives a F** what they think.

BTW I call BS neither YOU nor anyone else know how the other 31 clubs have their draft boards stacked.

I never claimed I knew how their draft boards are stacked except in the case of which a player is continuously passed on. In that case I claim that all 32 teams did not rank him that high and for proof i site the fact no one picked him in the first 99 picks (and no one traded up for him which they could i they really wanted). If you don't like my opinion fine but that part is pretty indisputable.

shmessy · May 2, 2015

shmessy said:
Good news is that BB usually does a WTF pick or two in the 2nd round but recovers nicely in the middle and late rounds.

Wow. That Shmessy sure can forecast a pattern!

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Joker · May 2, 2015

Hey Kontra, not for nothing BUT...you must have put up a hundred posts on how much you dislike Richards and how much you distrust Belechick's decisions in this draft now, and the general tenor of the past 24 hours is that this draft is well below your expectations.
It's like the Malcom Brown pick never happened to you and the draft started with the 2nd round pick, a pick you hate.

Now into the 5th round and I look at the picks so far and for the life of me I fail to see what all the histrionics and gut wrenchings are all about. They nailed two O line players in the 4th. Tre Jackson should move right into guard like Stork did at center. THe Pats COULD have taken him at 64 and nobody would have said a peep but no,Richards sucks and this draft therefore sucks. I don't get this tunnel vision negativity at all.

unoriginal · May 2, 2015

The Cardona pick indicates BB doesn't think anyone still available has a real shot of contributing to this team in the next two years.

supafly · May 2, 2015

pats61mod said:
That is true but how much of that has to do with having a QB behind them with insane defense recognition skills and who releases the ball on average within 2 seconds?

I recognize your point, which is quite valid. I actually addressed this aspect earlier, but you may have missed it due to the thread being so long.

I think we're very lucky to have such a great QB who is able to use pre-snap reads, audible calls/play changes, and skill position players who need to "read the defense" and recognize the same exact thing. Those aspects definitely factor into the equation and they all help us tremendously.

That all said, it's still quite a stretch for anyone to suggest that "our OL has been a major weakness for years," when the team wins 12-13 games every year. In the fast paced environment at the pro/NFL level, your QB had better be able to get rid of the ball under 2.5--3 seconds, no matter who you are.

Aside from the piss poor 2013 pass protection, I don't think we've been any worse than "average." I actually think a strong argument could be made that they've been above average. Just my opinion.

IcyPatriot · May 6, 2015

sevengables_2207 said:
There goes Eric Rowe. Maybe Trader Chip will deal him for us for some magic beans??

Chip Kelly is moving quickly ...
http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fa...-announce-signing-of-three-2015-draft-choices

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