The Official 2015 NFL Draft Rounds 2-3 Thread

RayClay said:

Apparently, we really wanted a special teams player like Larry Izzo in the first.

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I was going to go through and look for the "Volmer? that guy wasn't even at the combine" and "Stevan Ridley? Who? He barely even played for his college team" and "Shane Vereen... in the 2nd? Reach." "Jamie Collins? The guy has no position" e.t.c

But i think the point has been well made time and time again. You miss some and you hit some and the reality is (although people pretend otherwise), you have no idea when a player is going to be drafted.

Nothing is seared into my draft day memory more than the absolute consensus from posters the year Chandler Jones was drafted being.

"Chandler Jones? Geez he's raw. Looks like BB has drafted a project in the 1st. Lucky we drafted Bequette in the 3rd. Bequette is much more polished and should push for a starting job in camp".

FoxboroFlyer said:

I love the fact the coach if my team is willing to go all out "arrogant" in the mainstream and march to his own drum.

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I agree in general, but it isn't arrogance to simply do what you think is best in your job. He's just focused on doing what he believes will deliver championships. He and the team do their own evaluations and trust them. That's discipline, not arrogance.

scott99 said:

The Jet's ONLY issue on defense was their secondary. Now it's a strength. Add in the fact they've given Geno Smith some new weapons that are pretty damned good (Marshall and Smith). They already had Decker, Amaro and Kerley. They have some good RBs too in Ivory and Ridley.

Also, who knows, it might not be Smith at QB. Fitzpatrick had his best season under Chan Gailey in Buffalo, Gailey is the Jets OC now. All 3 teams have become much better in the AFC East, this will not be a cakewalk anymore. And BB didn't help himself by not strengthening the CB position (now a HUGE weakness) and the Oline (been a weakness for years). Love the Brown pick, the other 2 might be throw away picks. When your competition is hitting home runs in the draft, you can't strike out swinging on purpose.

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The Jets first home run was at pick 6 because they suck and Williams fell to them.

I much prefer watching the Pats have to work harder in the draft because they are champs.

Nonlegit said:

Belichick was in love with Steve Gregory because of his smarts too, right?

I definitely agree that hoodie ALWAYS seems to throw a massive curveball in the draft, but I try to withhold judgement until the player gets on the field (or doesnt...)

I also subscribe to the thought that NFL teams' draft boards probably look pretty different than McShay, Kiper, et al.

That being said, as a consumer of this brand and sport, I reserve the right to roll my eyes and talk some **** from time to time. No different than if I do something goofy at work around my friends, no matter how good at my job I am overall.

I do hold out hope for today to be more satisfying...but I also know better. At least this board is making progress. Not nearly as much noise over WRs and RBs as I thought might come up.

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I completely agree with this. There are many on here who think we should be forced to think that every single pick the Pats make is the perfect pick at that point. BB and the team have never struggled to pick certain positions (DB, WR) let alone make a bad pick. We should just all go along with it. I love the Pats as much as anyone- thought the first round pick was great, believe they do an exceptional job drafting, however I'm not going to be a brainless sunshine pumper that blindly says every single pick they make is great. Hated the Tavon pick, the Richards pick feels eerily similar to that, especially with major needs on the interior offensive line. Very intrigued by the Grissom pick, looks like he can make plays.

again, no one is questioning the particular players being drafted....only why they were drafted so early.

there is some talent still out there, including OL prospects like TJ Clemm, La'el Collins, and Tre Jackson. also, marcus hardison is still available at DT.

jsull87 said:

I was going to go through and look for the "Volmer? that guy wasn't even at the combine" and "Stevan Ridley? Who? He barely even played for his college team" and "Shane Vereen... in the 2nd? Reach." "Jamie Collins? The guy has no position" e.t.c

But i think the point has been well made time and time again. You miss some and you hit some and the reality is (although people pretend otherwise), you have no idea when a player is going to be drafted.

Nothing is seared into my draft day memory more than the absolute consensus from posters the year Chandler Jones was drafted being.

"Chandler Jones? Geez he's raw. Looks like BB has drafted a project in the 1st. Lucky we drafted Bequette in the 3rd. Bequette is much more polished and should push for a starting job in camp".

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My only point is, these guys are scrambling for information about first round picks while they're on the air. why do we think they have current, accurate information about 3rd to 7th round graded players?

the teams do have this information and probably know which other teams have zeroed in on certain players. it's a crap shoot and BB often goes for guys who can learn and improve over guys who just had a marquee season and hit their ceiling.

Remember when Hightower and Jamie Collins were disappointments, or reaches? How much did their ability to learn and versatility overcome a lack of production or some rough patches? How many more highly rated rookie linebackers have they passed?

scott99 said:

Who are our starting guards ? Are they good, dominating players that will keep Brady upright and consistently blow open holes for our running backs ? I doubt it.

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Patience grasshoppa.

Day 3 is the optimal day for Guards. Austin Sheperd, Shaq Mason, Adam Shead, Dallas Lewallen, Luke Charpentier, Tyrus Thompson, James Atoe, Max Garcia, etc.

stealthdog said:

Who is better at running an NFL team, Bill Belichick or Mel Kiper? If the draft "gurus" we're as good at recognizing talent and mocking where they should go, teams would be paying them to run their war rooms and they wouldn't be a talking head breaking down how and why a player was a good selection for a system or team.

I trust the guy who has delivered 4 championships over draft "gurus" or armchair scouts.

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Belichick is very fortunate to have a better head coach than Kiper has.

TommyBrady12 said:

again, no one is questioning the particular players being drafted....only why they were drafted so early.

there is some talent still out there, including OL prospects like TJ Clemm, La'el Collins, and Tre Jackson. also, marcus hardison is still available at DT.

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Why do you think guys in studios know better than pro team's scouts where players should be picked?

Do you think they see and interview projected 6th round picks? Do they follow them through their careers?

The teams do and I'm sure they're aware of who other teams are looking at.

i think we as a fanbase have got to realize that BB is picking players that will fit the system. he is putting together a team, not a collectin of individual talent. with this approach, a lot of us are going to be disappointed on draft day. but at the end of the year we can watch the players get their ring.

RayClay said:

Why do you think guys in studios know better than pro team's scouts where players should be picked?

Do you think they see and interview projected 6th round picks? Do they follow them through their careers?

The teams do and I'm sure they're aware of who other teams are looking at.

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by this logic BB would hit home runs with every draft pick. however, he makes mistakes on draft day too. they let some guy named clay matthews go when every pats fan knew they needed a pass rusher.

Also, to those who think BB picks guys 4 rounds ahead for no reason, this is the guy who traded down twice, then still picked McCourty, then he ended up changing his position and recently signed him to a big contract to lead the defense for the future.

I'm just saying, it's possible he knows what he's doing, and it's the magazines and talking heads who are relying on scanty and outdated information to seem like they are experts.

jsull87 said:

Nothing is seared into my draft day memory more than the absolute consensus from posters the year Chandler Jones was drafted being.

"Chandler Jones? Geez he's raw. Looks like BB has drafted a project in the 1st. Lucky we drafted Bequette in the 3rd. Bequette is much more polished and should push for a starting job in camp".

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OK, now you're just making stuff up.

And BTW, this board was an absolute splooge-fest the moment Chandler Jones was drafted.

That pick also happened to be in the position most NEEDED of upgrade that year. Can one say that about "Depth SS-STeamer" this year?

I like the Richards kid and am rooting for him. It's not so much the player, but the positional need.

TommyBrady12 said:

again, no one is questioning the particular players being drafted....only why they were drafted so early.

there is some talent still out there, including OL prospects like TJ Clemm, La'el Collins, and Tre Jackson. also, marcus hardison is still available at DT.

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It only takes one team to take him first.

What amazes me is that some people react to his picks as if he was a novice at this. Every year is pretty much the same with the first pick a solid value, the next pick a head scratcher which fits his system and the rest of the draft, players with some positives. Keep in mind, the Pats do not belong to a scouting combine and their primary goal is to find players that can work with their system not just workout warriors. Some of us can still remember the great specimens that Bobby Grier drafted everyone was a solid pick per the draft books. Too bad they couldn't play.

Still hard to comprehend we let a guy named Steve Nelson slip to the Cheifs 1 pick behind us.

TommyBrady12 said:

i think we as a fanbase have got to realize that BB is picking players that will fit the system. he is putting together a team, not a collectin of individual talent. with this approach, a lot of us are going to be disappointed on draft day. but at the end of the year we can watch the players get their ring.

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It's not like BB drafts these guys and we all pan it, and then they turn out to be superstars....

Wilson is a waste of space on the bench.
We all moaned in unison when he took Cunnigham over Dunlap
And basically every WR, aside from Branch, Givens, and Edelman.

He could have traded back and picked Richards later on it was a total reach for a special teams player at best.


Pretty much everyone picked between these two picks, aside from the QBs, could have helped the Pats. this will be two years Ina row that the Pats get absolutely nothing from there second round picks.

TommyBrady12 said:

by this logic BB would hit home runs with every draft pick. he makes mistakes on draft day too. they let some guy named clay matthews go when every pats fan knew they needed a pass rusher.

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Well, picking at the bottom every year and still being the winningest franchise of the era by far might indicate he hits for a pretty good average. Do you think Collins Gronkowski and Vollmer were home runs? None of them were first round picks.

How much of a handicap and how much success would you require to prove he knows at least as much about drafting for his team as any other front office, and 10 times as much as a pundit in a studio or a magazine?

What if he got to pick top ten every year like the Jets and blow up the salary cap too? I don't understand fixating on one pick, and we don't know Matthews fit his defense, when we have a long history of tremendous success with the handicap of the worst draft positions year after year.

Consistent success is statistically significant. One instance never is.

The Richards pick was awful. We didn't need another unathletic box safety. If Belichick liked him so much, he could have waited. If Richards got picked, the sky wouldn't have ripped open. Not like this guy was a can't miss talent. I don't mind the Grissom pick so much. The team needed another pass rusher and Grissom has gotten it done in college from both the 3 and 5-tech. Hopefully we're looking at interior OL and CB help today. The WR class is still pretty deep too.

FreeTedWilliams said:

He could have traded back and picked Richards later on it was a total reach for a special teams player at best.

I can't even find the kid from Oklahoma on any draft sites.

Pretty much everyone picked between these two picks, aside from the QBs, could have helped the Pats. this will be two years Ina row that the Pats get absolutely nothing from there second round picks.

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You seriously think draft sites know more than NFL teams?