Welcome to the New England Patriots Jordan Richards

I don't know enough about the guys skills in comparison to other safeties, or more importantly if JUST ONE of 31 OTHER TEAMS had him rated anywhere near so high, to say it was a bad reach (instead of just a slight reach-which is ok in my book, better to get the guy you want then say woulda shoulda later).

But I would say that he is 1000 percent a Patriots guy/type. We'll see come August September

My bigger concern than any over reach is that I thought they should be addressing cb and OG in the 2-4 rounds. I guess I pin my hopes on round four, I wonder a bit if that trade in third couldn't have been just as well used.

This thread is great, really. People that have no expertise in football, who have not been involved in professional football or anything that comes with it, who sit there and think that because they watched a couple of college games last year they can pass their opinion off as fact. The same faces year in year out.

Here's an idea, why don't you actually wait until the kid gets on the field.......that's when judgement is best reserved for.

Chiuba E. Obele said:

five words.... unsound use of draft capital. It might've made more sense for BB to go after higher rated talent, rather than possibly squander his 2nd round pick on a player projected to go in the 6th... It's not so much the player that's the problem, but the slot in the draft where he was chosen that is raising eye brows

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This is the type of post I'm talking about as well.

"...might've made more sense for BB to go after higher rated talent..."

According to you or the mediots?

You don't know where this guy was rated on other team's boards and you don't know where he was rated on the Patriot's board.

Why not enjoy the ride and wait until we're a year or two down the line. Then you can legitimately say "Tavon Wilson was an incredibly stupid pick", which it was, or "Sebatien Vollmer was an absolute steal", which it was.

The fun is in letting see people play.

Chiuba E. Obele said:

five words.... unsound use of draft capital. It might've made more sense for BB to go after higher rated talent, rather than possibly squander his 2nd round pick on a player projected to go in the 6th... It's not so much the player that's the problem, but the slot in the draft where he was chosen that is raising eye brows

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Exactly. For an Econ major you'd think BB would put more weight in the perceived market value of assets. Even if you think a player is undervalued that doesn't mean you spend your evaluated amount to acquire him if you think you can get him for less.

And people can slag draftniks all they want, but the wisdom of the crowd generally properly anticipates within a round 80-90% of the first 2-3 rounds of talent. It's infrequent that a guy the masses have going in the sixth or later goes in the second or third.

So it's just logical sense to wait and get that player closer to their perceived value.

Might someone else target him and get him before you can pull the trigger? Yes, that's the perfectly acceptable risk you take. But I wouldn't think that the Pats FO entire draft philosophy hinges on whether or not they are able to draft Jordan Richards. Certainly there are two other players they'd be more than happy to have should they pass on him in the second and then miss their chance in the third or fourth.

BritPat said:

This thread is great, really. People that have no expertise in football, who have not been involved in professional football or anything that comes with it, who sit there and think that because they watched a couple of college games last year they can pass their opinion off as fact. The same faces year in year out.

Here's an idea, why don't you actually wait until the kid gets on the field.......that's when judgement is best reserved for.

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Difficult to add anything there. Spot on

Brit patriot said:

Difficult to add anything there. Spot on

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Did you just give kudos to your own post or did you forget to log out of your other account?

Let me ask you: If the player the Pats had ranked just below Richards went in the next three picks, is Richards still the best use of that pick?

tombonneau said:

Did you just give kudos to your own post or did you forget to log out of your other account?

Let me ask you: If the player the Pats had ranked just below Richards went in the next three picks, is Richards still the best use of that pick?

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What you on about? There is more than one Patriot fan in England. Ian or any of the mods are more than welcome to do an IP check..

Oh, I am not saying it doesn't look early. I am saying that the proof of the pudding is in the eating. If, in the next few years he is a productive member of the squad, no-one will be bleating that 'oh, we got him two rounds early'. We will just be happy we have a good player.

He was high on our board (obviously) Nothing is going to change that. Instead of *****ing about it, and calling him a waste, we just need to wait to see how things go in pre-season.

Some of the comments regarding it have been ridiculous. I am seeing words like 'sabotage'. Mind-blowing.

tombonneau said:

Did you just give kudos to your own post or did you forget to log out of your other account?

Let me ask you: If the player the Pats had ranked just below Richards went in the next three picks, is Richards still the best use of that pick?

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Not sure what the top half is about....

As for the bottom part, it's irrelevant. Many teams had apparently taken Hau'oli Kikaha off their draft boards, yet the Saints took him in the top half of the second round.

Not all teams feel the same and not all positions are created equally either. What if the next best overall player on the Pats board was a kicker or a punter?

So many variables. Let the players play, let the coaches coach, let the scouts scout.

Come back to this in a couple of years, like people did with Wilson.

Fencer said:

Agreed. It's OK to say that Harmon wasn't a great, amazing home-run pick, because he's never been a starter, and hasn't made many big plays. But calling him a bust or any kind of bad pick is pretty silly.

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A one big play he made last season was pretty huge.

BritPat said:

Not sure what the top half is about....

As for the bottom part, it's irrelevant. Many teams had apparently taken Hau'oli Kikaha off their draft boards, yet the Saints took him in the top half of the second round.

Not all teams feel the same and not all positions are created equally either. What if the next best overall player on the Pats board was a kicker or a punter?

So many variables. Let the players play, let the coaches coach, let the scouts scout.

Come back to this in a couple of years, like people did with Wilson.

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Ha apologies to the posters with similar British names for the confusion my bad. I'm in Australia and for awhile it seemed like me and BritPat were only ones on here so just assumed BritPatriot was same guy. It's been a long day.

Anyway I guess we should be used to BB drafting to the beat of his own value drum by now but your all's right to not care and carry on is just as equal to my right to question some of BBs moves and strategy. It's not like I'm pulling my hair out over here and cursing BB out. Just questioning some of the logic, which is heresy for some here.

tombonneau said:

Ha apologies to the posters with similar British names for the confusion my bad. I'm in Australia and for awhile it seemed like me and BritPat were only ones on here so just assumed BritPatriot was same guy. It's been a long day.

Anyway I guess we should be used to BB drafting to the beat of his own value drum by now but your all's right to not care and carry on is just as equal to my right to question some of BBs moves and strategy. It's not like I'm pulling my hair out over here and cursing BB out. Just questioning some of the logic, which is heresy for some here.

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No problems my Aussie friend

tombonneau said:

Exactly. For an Econ major you'd think BB would put more weight in the perceived market value of assets. Even if you think a player is undervalued that doesn't mean you spend your evaluated amount to acquire him if you think you can get him for less.

And people can slag draftniks all they want, but the wisdom of the crowd generally properly anticipates within a round 80-90% of the first 2-3 rounds of talent. It's infrequent that a guy the masses have going in the sixth or later goes in the second or third.

So it's just logical sense to wait and get that player closer to their perceived value.

Might someone else target him and get him before you can pull the trigger? Yes, that's the perfectly acceptable risk you take. But I wouldn't think that the Pats FO entire draft philosophy hinges on whether or not they are able to draft Jordan Richards. Certainly there are two other players they'd be more than happy to have should they pass on him in the second and then miss their chance in the third or fourth.

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I agree with this conpletely. Was his talent so extraordinary that they just had to draft him in the 2nd when
there was a very good chance no one else would?

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he's wicked smat

Dexter said:

A one big play he made last season was pretty huge.

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Indeed. It suffices to raise him above "bust" status almost on its own.

When it comes down to it, if BB really loves the kid, it only takes one team to grab him first.

I agree, this is clearly the replacement for Tavon Wilson as second round reach that does not actually play.

I.M. Fletcher said:

we all have our binkies, Bill just gets to use 2nd rounders on his.

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Are you using any picks on yours?

AzPatsFan said:

/sarc on
Last time I looked both Tavon Wilson and Duran Harmon both made the Patriots final 53 multiple years.

Big busts aren't they?
/sarc off

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They only have 1 SB ring.

And, if some of the experts here were running the show, the Pats would have more than a measly 4 in the last 14 years.

tombonneau said:

Exactly. For an Econ major you'd think BB would put more weight in the perceived market value of assets. Even if you think a player is undervalued that doesn't mean you spend your evaluated amount to acquire him if you think you can get him for less.

And people can slag draftniks all they want, but the wisdom of the crowd generally properly anticipates within a round 80-90% of the first 2-3 rounds of talent. It's infrequent that a guy the masses have going in the sixth or later goes in the second or third.

So it's just logical sense to wait and get that player closer to their perceived value.

Might someone else target him and get him before you can pull the trigger? Yes, that's the perfectly acceptable risk you take. But I wouldn't think that the Pats FO entire draft philosophy hinges on whether or not they are able to draft Jordan Richards. Certainly there are two other players they'd be more than happy to have should they pass on him in the second and then miss their chance in the third or fourth.

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I just finished re-reading War Room and I think it's obvious he does put a lot of weight into perceived market value, if for no other reason than it creates scenarios where he can get additional value out of trades. We have a book on every team and their needs and BB includes that info when he's jumping around the draft board. Those books get updated throughout the draft as well now that it's broken up into 3 days. So it's not correct to assume he doesn't care at all about perceived market value.

I think what many of the draftniks (and fans) are overlooking is another thing related to economics, which is trends. He talked about how Vollmer's tape really only justified a 4th or 5th pick, but they felt he was definitely moving up in the process on other team's boards. so you either take him earlier than the tape says or risk losing him.

I don't know the whole story on Jordan Richards, but I don't think it's enough to just look at a bunch of draftnik websites and see their projections. It misses a huge part of the story, which is the movement which can occur before the draft from visits and interviews and tape breakdowns with coaches that we don't get to see, but play a huge role in the evaluation. It can also happen during the draft due to a run on the position, or a team's other potential targets being drafted so they look further down their needs list.

In the book, BB talks a lot about this process. It's really interesting and insightful in how his mind operates during this process and I'd highly recommend it.