Florio: Source Says that Wells Report takings so long because investigation turned to the NFL

shmessy said:

......other than attorney and Pats hater Florio writing that he has a league source contradicting your point?

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I'm saying don't assume anything based on any press reports.

aluminum seats said:

I'm saying don't assume anything based on any press reports.

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Oh. First it was that it was just a 'common refrain amongst Patriots fans'.

Now you're enlargening the circle.

Goodell's days are numbered.

He's always talking about the integrity of the game

Actions that completely undermine the integrity of the game conducted by a biased Mike Kensil working directly for Goodell, and happening right underneath his nose

If Goodell knew about this he should be fired

If Goodell didn't know about this, he should be fired

Has Goodell done anything other than stand there and look completely dumbfounded since becoming commissioner? It absolutely baffles me how the owners can pay this idiot $40+ million a year and then have the nerve to balk at spending money to actually improve the game that's been watered down year by year for over a decade. I hate to say this, but as someone who's followed the game for over 30 years, it's actually gotten to the point where I can honestly say that the league, and the majority of those who cover it, are completely undeserving of it's continued success.

shmessy said:

Oh. First it was that it was just a 'common refrain amongst Patriots fans'.

Now you're enlargening the circle.

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Not quite sure why you're being a **** here. I think there's been a lot of speculation--sometimes based off on something in a press report--that the length of time the report is taking is a good sign for the Pats. My point is that we shouldn't get our hopes up because there's no way to know. And in this case for sure, the press has shown itself to be really unreliable.

The Wells report may also call into question NFL bias against the Patriots.

Spygate was the loss of a first round pick because the Patriots cameras were in placement violation of a new 2006 rule by a few yards in the first quarter of the first game of 2007

Guess who had just joined the NFL front office in 2006?

Yup – Mike Kensil – the former Jets president who swore revenge on Belichick for leaving the team.

If he had anything to do with Spygate – and one assumes he did – then that “penalty” and investigation must be reviewed as well.

KontradictioN said:

Wake me up when the actual report is out.

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I second that motion!

Alternate proposal to paying Goodell: whenever something comes up needing commissioner-level jurisdiction, simply poll the fans on what they think the outcome should be for 48 hours on NFL.com, take the top 10 responses and randomize them, then roll a 10-sided die to determine the punishment.

It would be equally, if not more consistent and effective leadership than Goodell and would save about $40m a year.

JoeSixPat said:

The Wells report may also call into question NFL bias against the Patriots.

Spygate was the loss of a first round pick because the Patriots cameras were in placement violation of a new 2006 rule by a few yards in the first quarter of the first game of 2007

Guess who had just joined the NFL front office in 2006?

Yup – Mike Kensil – the former Jets president who swore revenge on Belichick for leaving the team.

If he had anything to do with Spygate – and one assumes he did – then that “penalty” and investigation must be reviewed as well.

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Not to quote and promote my own post, but let's let this sink in a bit.

Mike Kensil and Roger Goodell both join the NFL front office in 2006
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/mike-kensil/15/a7/42b


And interestingly, Kensil was VP of Football Relations on the Jets at the time Roger Goodell was working there between stints in PR for the NFL Commissioner's office http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Goodell#From_intern_to_COO

Roger Goodell declares himself the Judge Judy and Executioner of the NFL's "Integrity of the Game" and his first highly publicized action is to enforce a new 2006 rule during the first game of 2007, involving one Bill Belichick who artfully illustrated a gaping loophole in one of the new Commissioner's new rules.

Roger, presumably advised by the former Jets VP, then feigns shock that signal filming occurs in the NFL, and hands down a substantial penalty to Belichick and the Patriots to put Belichick in his place

The notion of Spygate as a major scandal when signal filming is not only prevalent but allowed actually undermines the perceived integrity of the game

Fast forward to 2015 and you've got Kensil blowing hot air on Deflategate - a "scandal" that, while even less of an issue compared to the placement of signal filming cameras, once again is blown out of proportion with Kensil actually fanning the media flames leaking damaging but largely fabricated "evidence" against the Patriots

If Kensil is implicated in this fabricated "gotcha" then even Spygate must be re-examined

In an odd way Deflategate has the potential to somewhat exonerate Belichick and the Patriots as victims of an NFL which itself, exhibits no integrity of the game

JoeSixPat said:

Not to quote and promote my own post, but let's let this sink in a bit.

Mike Kensil and Roger Goodell both join the NFL front office in 2006
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/mike-kensil/15/a7/42b


And interestingly, Kensil was VP of Football Relations on the Jets at the time Roger Goodell was working there between stints in PR for the NFL Commissioner's office http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Goodell#From_intern_to_COO

Roger Goodell declares himself the Judge Judy and Executioner of the NFL's "Integrity of the Game" and his first highly publicized action is to enforce a new 2006 rule during the first game of 2007, involving one Bill Belichick who artfully illustrated a gaping loophole in one of the new Commissioner's new rules.

Roger, presumably advised by the former Jets VP, then feigns shock that signal filming occurs in the NFL, and hands down a substantial penalty to Belichick and the Patriots to put Belichick in his place

The notion of Spygate as a major scandal when signal filming is not only prevalent but allowed actually undermines the perceived integrity of the game

Fast forward to 2015 and you've got Kensil blowing hot air on Deflategate - a "scandal" that, while even less of an issue compared to the placement of signal filming cameras, once again is blown out of proportion with Kensil actually fanning the media flames leaking damaging but largely fabricated "evidence" against the Patriots

If Kensil is implicated in this fabricated "gotcha" then even Spygate must be re-examined

In an odd way Deflategate has the potential to somewhat exonerate Belichick and the Patriots as victims of an NFL which itself, exhibits no integrity of the game

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Heh. Assuming this is all true, you can imagine the cackling and gleeful handrubbing back in 2007. "We've got them now boys, they're done!" Only to have BB and co stomp all over them and continue to stomp all over them for the next 8 years and 3 more SB appearances. One can only imagine the repressed rage and fury.

uh...what do you mean IF? It IS all true. I've been posting this exact same information and more on Goodell and the Jet cabal since 2007. I HAVE written replies to a questionaire sent out to graduates of HIS high school class that unequivocally aver he was, then, a huge Jet fan who BULLIED Giants fans and any other NFL team fans that dared to have the temerity to wear a team cap or jersey....and I'm talking about replies from grown WOMEN who vividly remember his bullying. Yet, in national, syndicated sports news interviews since he's taken office, he swears he was a Redskin fan because of dad and also a Buffalo fan because of where he was brought up by his mom in western NY...except he was NOT brought up there.

http://blogs.wsj.com/briefly/2014/12/09/5-things-to-know-about-nfl-commissioner-roger-goodell/

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Did Mr. Goodell ever play football?
At Bronxville High School in New York, Mr. Goodell played quarterback, running back, tight-end and safety until he blew out his knee at age 17. He also learned from his father how to take hits–on and off the field. Charles Goodell, a Republican senator from New York, introduced legislation to end the Vietnam War, which angered President Nixon and GOP leaders. They opposed his father’s re-election and he lost. His dad, Mr. Goodell said, taught him how to “stand up for principles and take the heat.”"



Roger Stokoe Goodell was born in Jamestown, New York,[6] the son of United States Senator Charles Ellsworth Goodell of New York, and Jean (Rice) Goodell of Buffalo, New York. He graduated from Bronxville High School where, as a three-sport star in football, basketball, and baseball, he captained all three teams as a senior and was named the school's athlete of the year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Goodell

He has CLAIMED the Redskins and Bills as his team rooting interest using THIS geographical reference as proof. He DID NOT grow up out there in western NY though.His father relocated the family to eastern New York when he was 11. He grew up in eastern NY, a fact he has consistently managed to avoid in ESPN,NFLN and Fox interviews over the years. He's a LIAR, a FRAUD and a known bully.

Well this is a thing

Roger Goodell: ‘Understanding’ is Ted Wells has ‘finished interview portion’ of Deflategate report

http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports...shed-interview-portion-of-deflategate-report/

chasa said:

anyone want to go to the draft with me with a ton of deflated blow up horses to throw at goodell?

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or just one of these

Report will be released sometime between May 22 - May 29.
Right after the NFL spring meeting and before the June signing period.

My opinion ........

rochrist said:

Heh. Assuming this is all true, you can imagine the cackling and gleeful handrubbing back in 2007. "We've got them now boys, they're done!" Only to have BB and co stomp all over them and continue to stomp all over them for the next 8 years and 3 more SB appearances. One can only imagine the repressed rage and fury.

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But the real funny thing is, given the way this report could read, it could come full circle and actually EXONERATE the Patriots on Spygate (as well as Deflategate), because the prime NFL disciplinarian was "outed" 8 years later as conducting a bogus "sting" and then releasing false damaging information about the Pats

Now, let's not get our hopes up too high - I think the NFL may still try to imply the Pats did something regardless of whether there's any proof

Nor do I expect the media to question the Spygate case even if Kensil is shown to be biased

That will be up to us

I've already sown some seed among media sources but it will be up to fans to push that logic as the media is lazy

if you guys think the wells report will be favorable to NE, despite no evidence that they did anything, I have a bridge in brooklyn to sell to you - PM me.

I was pissed at first when I heard Gödel's comment that implied the sent Wells on a fishing expedition but when I thought about it that will actually go farther in clearing the Patriots of any of the bullsh.t leveled at them the past eight. I don't believe they will find anything because I don't believe they have done anything wrong. I am really looking forward to this report coming out.

I have zero faith in anything associated with the NFL, so I'm not getting my hopes up regarding anything that might exonerate the Pats or implicate some in the NFL office. My concern is that like spygate, the league takes a commonly accepted practice (see link) and conspire to nail the Pats. The Wells report allows them to interview the ball boy from 2005 and if TB ever asked him to let a little air out then the Pats are guilty, it's basically allows them to investigate the Pats from 2000 on and use anything and everything they find against them.

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2015/01/needles_on_sidelines_former_jets_qb_jeff_blake_had.html

Blake says that he'd order ball boys to let air out of his footballs just before the start of games during his entire NFL career, which included time with the Jets (1992), Cincinnati Bengals (1994-99), New Orleans Saints (2000-01), Baltimore Ravens (2002-03), Eagles (2004) and Chicago Bears (2005).


What was the process?


"Well, I would say (to a ball boy), 'Take a little bit of air out of it. It's a little bit hard,'" Blake said. "And then he'd take a little bit out and I'd squeeze it and I'd be like, 'OK, it's perfect.' That's it."


Blake, who had his best seasons with the Bengals and represented them in the 1995 Pro Bowl, feels that this practice was done by all quarterbacks when he plays, and he believes it never stopped.


"I guess it wasn't a big deal back then, but it is now," he said.

If the NFL had something as obvious and definitive as a ball boy confessing that he let air out of a ball then that would be a smoking gun, and its beyond clear now that they have nothing of the sort.

JoeSixPat said:

The Wells report may also call into question NFL bias against the Patriots.

Spygate was the loss of a first round pick because the Patriots cameras were in placement violation of a new 2006 rule by a few yards in the first quar

If he had anything to do with Spygate – and one assumes he did – then that “penalty” and investigation must be reviewed as well.

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they will never look into bias let alone review anything. not in a million years.