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Who said other countries don't play our sports? I didnt....

We just don't want foreign teams in our leagues. You should be ok with that.

I am. I just dont understand the our sports concept.

The only sport that is played in almost professional level only in the US is football. All others were created or enhanced based on already existing sports. There are professional leagues worldwide( baseball , basketball ...) I do not only understand the concept of our sports . You have every right not to want foreign teams in the league . The NFL, MLB, NHL is American , baseball, hockey... no.
 
I am. I just dont understand the our sports concept.

The only sport that is played in almost professional level only in the US is football. All others were created or enhanced based on already existing sports. There are professional leagues worldwide( baseball , basketball ...) I do not only understand the concept of our sports . You have every right not to want foreign teams in the league . The NFL, MLB, NHL is American , baseball, hockey... no.

"Our sports" includes the; NFL, NBA, NHL, NBL and PGA

I have made it clear more than once that by "Our sports", I mean that we don't allow foreign teams to compete in "Our" leagues. So yeh, they are our sports and purely American....at least for now.

Sure we allow foreign players to play on American teams. But we don't want the Patriots to play against London or Brasilia.
 
If you can't understand why Canada is o.k. (and Mexico is irrelevant) in a discussion about expansion into Europe, I don't know what to tell you.

Maybe you could look to all those South American teams in the Premier League for some guidance.

Again you wrote without making a point .

If you defend an league formed exclusively by US teams I understand.

But you defend Canada and I ask you why . If your argument is geographical , both are neighbors. Language ? Economy? Security ?

The premier league has no South American clubs . Or North Americans. But they have some UK's clubs. They compete Olympics as the UK. Or not ? When I watch the Olympics , I never saw the medals table of the North American Anglo-Saxon kingdom.

So there are two reasons why other teams compete the Premier League .

Political : They are the UK .
Sports . The Wales for example, does not have a number of teams that form a competitive league and so they can play a competition where there is technical dispute.
 
One day ....

 
"Our sports" includes the; NFL, NBA, NHL, NBL and PGA

I have made it clear more than once that by "Our sports", I mean that we don't allow foreign teams to compete in "Our" leagues. So yeh, they are our sports and purely American....at least for now.

Sure we allow foreign players to play on American teams. But we don't want the Patriots to play against London or Brasilia.

Ok. Now i get it. Your leagues.
 
Again you wrote without making a point .

You post this as if it's true. It's not. The issue here has been your misunderstanding another poster (PatriotsReign). My posts have all made points, and have all been clear.
 
You post this as if it's true. It's not. The issue here has been your misunderstanding another poster. My posts have all made points, and have all been clear.

Yes, It must be a communication problem. For me my sports and my leagues are completely different things.

I understand someone not want a team from another country to play your national league. But I do not understand , someone call himself the owner of a sport, and especially not recognize that there are very strong leagues worldwide. But as he said above. He was referring to the leagues ( NFL,NBA...) and not to sports.
 
"Our sports" includes the; NFL, NBA, NHL, NBL and PGA

I have made it clear more than once that by "Our sports", I mean that we don't allow foreign teams to compete in "Our" leagues. So yeh, they are our sports and purely American....at least for now.

Sure we allow foreign players to play on American teams. But we don't want the Patriots to play against London or Brasilia.
I wouldn't use the PGA as an example - golf is played everywhere across multiple tours, and doesn't involve the participation of teams/franchises. Foreigners are more than welcome to play in the PGA.

This outsider considers NFL, NBA, MLB and NHL to be "your sports" - yes, they are all played in multiple countries (particularly baseball in Latin America/Asia, hockey in Europe etc.), but the only leagues of note are those in the States.
 
They have financial fair play in many sports. Why the draft would not be cool? What is the difference between and a contract with a young soccer player?

Because via the draft the teams are colluding to (a) take away the right of the player to go to the team he wants to go to, and (b) (via the recently-imposed rookie "slotting" provisions) take away the right of the player to negotiate the contract he wants. And the player who has just had these restrictions slammed onto him isn't even a member of the players' union at that point!

US labor law allows this collusion and restriction in sports leagues. That in no way means other countries are required to allow this.
 
I wouldn't use the PGA as an example - golf is played everywhere across multiple tours, and doesn't involve the participation of teams/franchises. Foreigners are more than welcome to play in the PGA.

This outsider considers NFL, NBA, MLB and NHL to be "your sports" - yes, they are all played in multiple countries (particularly baseball in Latin America/Asia, hockey in Europe etc.), but the only leagues of note are those in the States.

You make a valid point on the PGA...but we still have our own PGA tour where typically the world's best come to play. You don't often see US players leaving to play on the Euro or Asian PGA tour a lot. Unless they're struggling on the US tour.

So in a sense, the US PGA is similar to the others
 
You make a valid point on the PGA...but we still have our own PGA tour where typically the world's best come to play. You don't often see US players leaving to play on the Euro or Asian PGA tour a lot. Unless they're struggling on the US tour.

So in a sense, the US PGA is similar to the others
It's certainly the most competitive tour with the highest proportion of top players (and the most lucrative as well, obviously) - but I would think that there are a number of people at the R&A at St Andrews that would bristle at the thought of golf being "your sport"!
 
Because via the draft the teams are colluding to (a) take away the right of the player to go to the team he wants to go to, and (b) (via the recently-imposed rookie "slotting" provisions) take away the right of the player to negotiate the contract he wants. And the player who has just had these restrictions slammed onto him isn't even a member of the players' union at that point!

US labor law allows this collusion and restriction in sports leagues. That in no way means other countries are required to allow this.

Yes. Salary caps are, it seems, legal in European sports leagues (Rugby Union has one) but I would think that the draft was very dubious.

Also the CBA might not be valid under UK law.

Note too that issues to do with PEDs and player safety might not be treated so lightly as they are in the U.S.

And the treatment of profits would also come under scrutiny. (I may be quite wrong about this, but I think that the NFL itself is a non-profit organization that collects revenues and shares them between the profit-making entities, the individual clubs. I don't know if that model would hold up and what the tax consequences might be.)
 
The Spurs dominate the NBA with 3 foreign to their posts . The best individual players are still Americans ( Lebron , Durant , Davis) .But if no country in the world played basketball yesterday you could have on the court playing the Wizards Scalabrine and whatever Rober Sacre type of player , rather than Nene and Gortat

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"Our sports" includes the; NFL, NBA, NHL, NBL and PGA

I have made it clear more than once that by "Our sports", I mean that we don't allow foreign teams to compete in "Our" leagues. So yeh, they are our sports and purely American....at least for now.

Sure we allow foreign players to play on American teams. But we don't want the Patriots to play against London or Brasilia.
Huh?
NHL is more Canadian than American.
PGA? Every heard of the British Open?
NBA and MLB are in Canada. And both have players from many countries.

Still don't understand why it matters.
 
You said: what NCAA football player of any repute whatsoever will want to be drafted and play in a foreign country? . Thats easy to refute. Ask any small market player if they want to live in London for a couple of months. They dont have to live there, they have to play there. I dont agree with it, im just saying its POSSIBLE. I agree with you NFL is american, period. If they want a Europe league they should start a new one, and maybe the two champions play a match to see the world champion.



Thats easy too, they will have a bigger salary cap to balance the rate differences . Again I 'm not advocating changing the league for Europe only claiming to be possible.

There's a basic misunderstanding of the English language here, which is understandable. Of "any repute" means any player being touted as a high draft prospect, such as the first and second rounds of the NFL draft. You have to be a little "jingoistic" yourself to actually believe even ONE player would be eager to risk his future playing on foreign soil.Jameis Winston or Marcus Mariota ecstatic to be chosen to play for the London Monarchs? C'mon man.

Again, you make light of playing overseas by stating "for a few months". A "few months"? Try at least SEVEN months out of the year living in a foreign country . Try selling THAT to the dozens of prospects from the SEC, Big Ten, ACC, Pac12, Big Twelve or any of the lesser conferences. You seem to think you can just get some guys who play football in Scotland and throw them in with a couple of undrafted NFL rookies or "small market" players (whatever THAT means)and "presto!"...NFL football for everyone!

I can see you are taking offense at our "jingoism" and confusing that with the REALITY of what makes up the NFL. NFL players come from an athletic mill that starts in high school and ends with the top 1% of all collegiate players being selected. These players possess WORLD CLASS numbers as far as speed, weight,hitting power and agility are concerned. The Jamaicans have dominated the world sprints for years. Do you see even ONE getting as much as a TRYOUT with the Jags? NO one is insulting you, your country or your athletes.You are delusional if you think American football players will be happy playing 5000 miles away on foreign soil in front of fans like YOU with built-in biases and patrons with decidedly anti-American sentiments, like more than half the populations of European countries, never mind the rest of the world. You actually think a kid from Louisiana playing on American TV every Saturday in front of his family and friends, a kid with sublime skills and a bright multimillion dollar future, this kid will gladly allow himself to be touted as this new symbol of America and American sport in a foreign land, well outside the protection of American law enforcement. For at least seven months out of the year? Jameis Winston is just going to walk around Piccadilly unafraid and unconcerned about ending up under the knife of Jihadi John?

I'll tell you this, NOT MY KID. No freaking way. And no way do I want the NFL dragged into a geo-political firestorm in the name of "world sport". Sorry. I'll STAY happily jingoistic and content in my enjoyment of the National Football League. If that changes to some WWE worldwide spectacle sport, count me out. I'll stick to the NCAA...and guess what, another league WILL form catering to the players and fans that want the sport to REMAIN American.
 
Huh?
NHL is more Canadian than American.
PGA? Every heard of the British Open?
NBA and MLB are in Canada. And both have players from many countries.

Still don't understand why it matters.

If you read all my posts, you'd understand my point is that Americans have "OUR" professional sports. They are ours because our leagues are comprised of only American teams. Sure the NHL has a few teams, but Canada is almost part of the US and the sport started there. But the majority of the fans and revenue come from the US....so the NHL is certainly not more Canadian.

We let few Canadian teams in...but again, every single major Canadian city is on the US border.

I think what matters to Americans is that we keep "Our" sports American. We don't need allow South Amerian, European or Asian nations into OUR leagues. Let them start their own leagues....

I think that matters a lot to American sports fans.
 
If you read all my posts, you'd understand my point is that Americans have "OUR" professional sports. They are ours because our leagues are comprised of only American teams. Sure the NHL has a few teams, but Canada is almost part of the US and the sport started there. But the majority of the fans and revenue come from the US....so the NHL is certainly not more Canadian.

We let few Canadian teams in...but again, every single major Canadian city is on the US border.

I think what matters to Americans is that we keep "Our" sports American. We don't need allow South Amerian, European or Asian nations into OUR leagues. Let them start their own leagues....

I think that matters a lot to American sports fans.
I don't think it matters at all to 99% of the fans, but clearly we see it differently.
I do think calling hockey American is an enormous stretch.
 
I don't think it matters at all to 99% of the fans, but clearly we see it differently.
I do think calling hockey American is an enormous stretch.

Even if 90% of NHL fans live in the US? Keep in mind that I also consider Canada to be American!
 
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It's certainly the most competitive tour with the highest proportion of top players (and the most lucrative as well, obviously) - but I would think that there are a number of people at the R&A at St Andrews that would bristle at the thought of golf being "your sport"!

Just like hockey has it's roots in Canada, golf started in England....and you have The Open. It's not the most popular among the 4 majors here, but I'm sure it is over there.

But I do like to make people "bristle"! ;)
 
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