"With the 32'd Pick of the First Round, the New England Patriots select..."

manxman2601 said:

I see him as a safety/linebacker hybrid in a 4-2.5-4.5. Kam Chancellor is pretty much a linebacker in the Seahawks system and that's how I'd envisage both Collins and Thompson.

By the way, this is the draft of bland names: Jones, Johnson, Thompson, Collins, Brown, Peters, Davis. I'm amazed there isn't a Smith. Oh wait. Devin.

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We don't really play Seattle's defense. Or, have Richard Sherman to take half the field away. Our safeties tend to play deeper because of issues at CB. Save 2014. You can't bring your safety up too much with our corners. Shaq has already said he'd like to play lb. The reads a lb makes compared to safety are different and Shaq would face a learning curve. Landon Collins has been doing it his whole life. Might be same size/speed. But, you can't say they're the same because of that.

So what are the chances that BB grabs Dorial Green-Beckham at #32 in a gamble on greatness?

If there were not question marks then players like him are never available to the Pats, kind of like Gronk was.

There are enough picks remaining to fill their other needs, assuming we aren't going to get a CB who can just step in and replace Revis anyway.

The Gr8est said:

So what are the chances that BB grabs Dorial Green-Beckham at #32 in a gamble on greatness?

If there were not question marks then players like him are never available to the Pats, kind of like Gronk was.

There are enough picks remaining to fill their other needs, assuming we aren't going to get a CB who can just step in and replace Revis anyway.

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I wouldn't compare an injury issue with violence towards women.

i want Agholor

patsfaninpa said:

I wouldn't compare an injury issue with violence towards women.

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By the way, this is why I was reluctant to put Ronald Darby on my BB. Although he told Winston not to "have sex" with that woman, he refused to testify apparently. I feel he's part of that stink around Winston.

manxman2601 said:

By the way, this is why I was reluctant to put Ronald Darby on my BB. Although he told Winston not to "have sex" with that woman, he refused to testify apparently. I feel he's part of that stink around Winston.

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Hopefully the Jets draft him, ...along with Winston.

mgteich said:

Sure, I guess we can HOPE that Ryan and Butler will be quality 2015 starters, and we can believe that therefore Belichick only signed camp fodder, and will sign depth in the draft.

Hope is NOT a plan. I don't think that Belichick expects Ryan and Butler to be our starters. We should re-visit some of the posts in March where the discussion was about whether Ryan was even qualified to get ANY reps at CB since he is such a poor corner, and should be moved to safety in this year, perhaps his last.

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I agree that hope isn't a plan but think as of now Belichick sees the corner positions and slot DB as open competitions with no one locked in as starters and I expect him to add at least two more to that mix. Hopefully through the draft but it could be one draft and one summer cut. We know he really likes Butler and as McCourty said they all need to steep it up to turn into a strong unit. As far as the draft for I think there is a strong likelihood they go CB in the first. He prefers to go defense in the first and other than Cameron Erving I don't there is an OL who will be there he would use a first on, and at this point Erving is not likely to be there. I think Byron Jones, Kevin Johnson, Jordan Phillips and Eddie Goldman are strong possibilities at 32 and they will address the OL with picks 64-101.

The Gr8est said:

So what are the chances that BB grabs Dorial Green-Beckham at #32 in a gamble on greatness?
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Zero. I doubt that DGB is even on their draft board. BB does not really like WRs and he especially does not not guys like DGB.

OPTION 1
Trade up for a corner.

OPTION 2
Pick our starting LG at 32, or with a bit of trade up or down.

OPTION 3
Trade down 10 picks or so a pick up yet another 4rd.
CHI 39 + 106 or
NYG 40 +108

OPTION 4
Trade down to 50 or so and pick up yet another 3rd.
BUFF 50 + 81 or
HOU 51 + 82

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I like all these choices. For example, under Option 4, we might be able to draft Tomlinson or Cann at 50 or 51 (or Jarrett), one of the same players that some have us drafting at 32.

mgteich said:

OPTION 1
Trade up for a corner.

OPTION 2
Pick our starting LG at 32, or with a bit of trade up or down.

OPTION 3
Trade down 10 picks or so a pick up yet another 4rd.
CHI 39 + 106 or
NYG 40 +108

OPTION 4
Trade down to 50 or so and pick up yet another 3rd.
BUFF 50 + 81 or
HOU 51 + 82

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I like all these choices. For example, under Option 4, we might be able to draft Tomlinson or Cann at 50 or 51 (or Jarrett), one of the same players that some have us drafting at 32.

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Until I got on the Byron Jones bandwagon I was all in favour of trading down from 32 and picking up another pick and then using that, or one of our other picks, to then trade back up from 64. That could give us Cann/Tomlinson and Jarrett without the loss of anything substantial in terms of picks. Now that I think Jones is probably unattainable, I'm back to that idea.

manxman2601 said:

Until I got on the Byron Jones bandwagon I was all in favour of trading down from 32 and picking up another pick and then using that, or one of our other picks, to then trade back up from 64. That could give us Cann/Tomlinson and Jarrett without the loss of anything substantial in terms of picks. Now that I think Jones is probably unattainable, I'm back to that idea.

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Trading out of 32 is entirely dependent upon who is left for them? If Erving or Jones are there I want them to take one of them. I am all for trading down if they are gone and another top prospect doesn't drop down to them. I really like the talent in the second and third round and would like to see them as picks there if the board is cleaned out at 32.

Ivan said:

Trading out of 32 is entirely dependent upon who is left for them? If Erving or Jones are there I want them to take one of them. I am all for trading down if they are gone and another top prospect doesn't drop down to them. I really like the talent in the second and third round and would like to see them as picks there if the board is cleaned out at 32.

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Well of course. I'm a believer in drafting the prospect not the draft position.

manxman2601 said:

Until I got on the Byron Jones bandwagon I was all in favour of trading down from 32 and picking up another pick and then using that, or one of our other picks, to then trade back up from 64. That could give us Cann/Tomlinson and Jarrett without the loss of anything substantial in terms of picks. Now that I think Jones is probably unattainable, I'm back to that idea.

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The tough situation for me is that all the NFL-ready LG starters may be gone by 50, as well as the top 7 corners.

DRAFTEK now has
18 Erving
21 Humphries
28 Clemmings
34 Fisher
45 Cann
48 Tomlinson
54 Marpet (included for completeness)

The second level corners would also be gone by 50 (Collins, Rowe, and Williams)
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Jarrett would likely be our pick at 50, unless we have moved up, after moving down.

mgteich said:

The tough situation for me is that all the NFL-ready LG starters may be gone by 50, as well as the top 7 corners.

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That's the big question for me. If other opportunities are too good to resist at #32, what's your day-one LG plan? (Mine's currently Mitch Morse, fwiw.)

patchick said:

That's the big question for me. If other opportunities are too good to resist at #32, what's your day-one LG plan? (Mine's currently Mitch Morse, fwiw.)

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If we don't draft a LG in the first 50, I suspect that we will sign or trade for a veteran, with Kline being the fallback.

Sure, we'll take our shots at guards (Morse is certainly one) after the top group is gone. For me, I's rather have a top LG. Obviously, Belichick hasn't listened to us in this regard for several years.

AN ADDITIONAL ALTERNATIVE
Trade with MINN, who ALWAYS wants to move into the first under its current staff. We would give up 32, 131 and 178 for their 45 and 76.

There should be a starting LG available at 45. And 76 is pretty good consolation if one isn't available.
We'd then have 45, 64, 76, 96, 97 and 101. Obviously, at some point, Belichick would likely trade down to pick up picks, probably using all night to get bids on 101.

mgteich said:

AN ADDITIONAL ALTERNATIVE
Trade with MINN, who ALWAYS wants to move into the first under its current staff. We would give up 32, 131 and 178 for their 45 and 76.

There should be a starting LG available at 45. And 76 is pretty good consolation if one isn't available.
We'd then have 45, 64, 76, 96, 97 and 101. Obviously, at some point, Belichick would likely trade down to pick up picks, probably using all night to get bids on 101.

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I approve this scenario because it is likely that there will be comparable talent at 45 to what will be there at 32. Unless someone drops down through the first round who represents value (only the confidential Pats player talent estimate matters), 6 top 101 picks under your scenario will be better than the 5 in the top 101 now. Is this realistic? Cleveland or Green Bay (if they value that third first round pick enough) might also be trade partners. Anytime you end up with more picks in rounds 1-4 (especially if it only costs only your late first rounder plus picks after round 4) improves their chances of adding as many quality drafted players as possible. After those first 6 picks, all presumably with reasonable chances to be role players on a contender, a few gambles on those remaining late rounders plus a few quality UFA players might be their best case scenario if the Patriots believe in the talent that should be available in rounds 2, 3 and 4

This also gives them more ability to maneuver up and down in those 3 rounds to react to what their competition is doing.

I would guess it's 60/40 that we trade back. If we happen to stay at 32, I'm guessing we go either Defensive Tackle or CB. I know Guard is a huge need as well, but I don't see Bill taking a guard at 32. Some names I am thinking:

-Goldman
-B Jones
- K Johnson
-M.Brown
-C. Davis

with that being said, watch us go out and select a RB or WR. lol

He is little discussed for New England but, after seeing every came in Eli Harold's career (I hold football season tickets at UVA), the Pats could do worse than drafting him as the best player available at pick 32:

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/..._harold_would_bring_big_pass_rush_to_patriots

Even the elite corners in this draft are far from replacements for Revis and, to a lesser extent, Browner. Perhaps another Collins comparable defender at that draft spot will do more to help the Patriots secondary than picking any CB projected to be available to them in that part of the draft.

In terms of athletic defensive ends, Harold compares well with Beasley, who is generally projected anywhere between 5-15 in most mock drafts:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...uts-on-combine-show-shaq-thompson-disappoints

and Armstead who has been a draft board riser up into the 15-25 range:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/arik-armstead?id=2552493

Armstead has greater size than Harold but less measured athleticism and less actual on field production. I'm a little biased but at pick 32 or after a slight trade down, Harold is my binky.