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Just a thought. Trading 32, 96 and 101 gets us to about pick 20, and possibly higher. That should be more than enough juice to get one of the top CBs (I think Jones might be gone by then but Johnson and Peters could still be available) or Cam Erving. And, of course, it still leaves us with 64 and 97. I'm not opposed to doing this if it's necessary to target a CB or top OL.

manxman2601 said:

Just a thought. Trading 32, 96 and 101 gets us to about pick 20, and possibly higher. That should be more than enough juice to get one of the top CBs (I think Jones might be gone by then but Johnson and Peters could still be available) or Cam Erving. And, of course, it still leaves us with 64 and 97. I'm not opposed to doing this if it's necessary to target a CB or top OL.

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Outside of Leonard Williams and Amari Cooper there are no players in this draft I would make that trade up for. I think the talent in this draft is so flat that we can get a similar player at 45 as we could at 15.

I'm a Byron Jones fan but I think there are probably 6 or 7 CB's in this draft that are of similar value and the order they are ranked will depend on the team and what they are looking for. I don't think all of them will be gone by 32 and I think we could probably still get one with a trade down. I just can't justify giving up that many resources for him, or just about anyone in this draft.

A lot of these CB's in particular have issues and we don't know how they will impact their draft stock. Jones and Collins are coming off injuries, Peters has massive red flags and PJ Williams has legal troubles. After Trae Waynes who is seemingly the consensus #1 CB, we really don't know who is going where. A guy like Eric Rowe has a lot of helium right now and could be the second CB taken.

I would be okay with a small trade up but simply not that high. In the end my preference would be to sit back, let the draft fall and see what the options are at 32. I think a trade down would be pretty likely. That's just my opinion though and I know you are a lot higher on Jones than I am manx. I think we see a similar ceiling for him, we just disagree on the likelihood of him reaching it.

Wilfork#75 said:

Outside of Leonard Williams and Amari Cooper there are no players in this draft I would make that trade up for. I think the talent in this draft is so flat that we can get a similar player at 45 as we could at 15.

I'm a Byron Jones fan but I think there are probably 6 or 7 CB's in this draft that are of similar value and the order they are ranked will depend on the team and what they are looking for. I don't think all of them will be gone by 32 and I think we could probably still get one with a trade down. I just can't justify giving up that many resources for him, or just about anyone in this draft.

A lot of these CB's in particular have issues and we don't know how they will impact their draft stock. Jones and Collins are coming off injuries, Peters has massive red flags and PJ Williams has legal troubles. After Trae Waynes who is seemingly the consensus #1 CB, we really don't know who is going where. A guy like Eric Rowe has a lot of helium right now and could be the second CB taken.

I would be okay with a small trade up but simply not that high. In the end my preference would be to sit back, let the draft fall and see what the options are at 32. I think a trade down would be pretty likely. That's just my opinion though and I know you are a lot higher on Jones than I am manx. I think we see a similar ceiling for him, we just disagree on the likelihood of him reaching it.

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Each to their own. I don't think the guys you mentioned should be in the same conversation of Jones but that's just me. I just don't see that big a downside to that kind of trade up for the right guy. Even if we did give up 96 and 101, we still get the picks we'd have had before all the changes: 32, 64 and 97. In effect, we are not giving up anything.

I would use both picks to trade up for:

Byron Jones
Cam Erving (if necessary. It probably wouldn't be).

I'd probably only use one pick to trade up for:

Kevin Johnson


But obviously that depends on how the board goes. If Johnson or Peters are likely to be there at 32, then I probably wouldn't do the trade for Jones. To me, Jones is the PERFECT CB, which is why I'm prepared to give so much up for him.

So here's a question. What would it cost to trade up to 20 with the Eagles for someone like Byron Jones or whomever you fancy and also getting Evan Mathis as part of the same trade? If it was to cost 64 or 96+101, would you consider that worthwhile?

manxman2601 said:

So here's a question. What would it cost to trade up to 20 with the Eagles for someone like Byron Jones or whomever you fancy and also getting Evan Mathis as part of the same trade? If it was to cost 64 or 96+101, would you consider that worthwhile?

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That would be a plus2 scenario. Not sure what the Pats are waiting on with Connolly?Makes me think they are going guard with the first pick. If they could pull the trade off with Philly and fill 2 needs, that trade up is worth it every time.

Mathis is better than any guard in this draft. Not saying that one of those guards won't someday be as good as Mathis, but in the short term not even close. Every day and Sunday Manx.

I think they want to solve their interior OL for the foreseeable future and for cheap. Mathis is still good but he's a year older than Mankins and would still be multiple millions of dollars on the cap.

It'll be difficult moving 96 and 101 to the same team for the same reason we don't really want them, hard to find two players available you want with similar value. (Patriots daring everyone to trade for the Ryan Mallet pick in 2011 springs to mind.)

Personally I like the idea of (96+131+178 = 82) leaving the Pats with 32, 64, 82, 97, and 101 in the "top 100". (Plus 219, 253). 101 could then be moved overnight day 2 Randy-Moss-style.

Patriot Missile said:

That would be a plus2 scenario. Not sure what the Pats are waiting on with Connolly?Makes me think they are going guard with the first pick. If they could pull the trade off with Philly and fill 2 needs, that trade up is worth it every time.

Mathis is better than any guard in this draft. Not saying that one of those guards won't someday be as good as Mathis, but in the short term not even close. Every day and Sunday Manx.

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If I can get Byron Jones and Evan Mathis then the same for me. But, the problem with Mathis is that you're probably only looking at two years with him. By trading away picks, ironically, we might be foregoing the chance to draft his replacement. At the very least, we'd be discussing LG again for next years draft. But the possibility of coming away with two quality prospects very much appeals.

There are only a couple of players I'd consider moving up for and none of them are CBs. I think they each have question marks. If Jones is there at 32 I'd consider him strongly though.

I actually now think we will take a corner in the 3rd round - I'm thinking Darryl Roberts.

I would be willing to trade up from the 32nd overall pick to the 26th overall pick by trading the 96th overall pick if a premium cornerback is still on the board.

unoriginal said:

I think they want to solve their interior OL for the foreseeable future and for cheap. Mathis is still good but he's a year older than Mankins and would still be multiple millions of dollars on the cap.

It'll be difficult moving 96 and 101 to the same team for the same reason we don't really want them, hard to find two players available you want with similar value. (Patriots daring everyone to trade for the Ryan Mallet pick in 2011 springs to mind.)

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Not quite the same thing; I think that was just telling teams, "Hey, if you were thinking of getting Mallett, now's your last chance." If they didn't get a great offer, they were perfectly willing to take Mallett (whom I believe had a first-round grade from NE).

manxman2601 said:

So here's a question. What would it cost to trade up to 20 with the Eagles for someone like Byron Jones or whomever you fancy and also getting Evan Mathis as part of the same trade? If it was to cost 64 or 96+101, would you consider that worthwhile?

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Philly sports radio is asseverating about how the Eagles can move up to get Marriota. I doubt that Kelly will entertain offers to move back.
I agree Even Mathis is very solid. However, he's very unhappy with his contract and if traded will quickly be making noises about more $$$$ and could become a malcontent.

PatsGuy said:

Philly sports radio is asseverating about how the Eagles can move up to get Marriota. I doubt that Kelly will entertain offers to move back.
I agree Even Mathis is very solid. However, he's very unhappy with his contract and if traded will quickly be making noises about more $$$$ and could become a malcontent.

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We've heard a lot about a guard who is unhappy making $5.5M this year ($6M next), and who is sitting out of OTA's to make the point. What kind of a raise do you think the patriots have in mind in order to bring in Mathis? Is Mathis worth $6-7M a year to the patriots?

ctpatsfan77 said:

Not quite the same thing; I think that was just telling teams, "Hey, if you were thinking of getting Mallett, now's your last chance." If they didn't get a great offer, they were perfectly willing to take Mallett (whom I believe had a first-round grade from NE).

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They were practically begging people to trade them for that pick. They did not want to pick there. Mallett was the only BPA on their board worth that spot, so they dangled him as tradebait/blackmail. The only time I can recall when the Pats pick "leaked" before they had their card in, and it was on ESPN before the Ridley selection had even been made. They milked it for the full 10 minutes they had.

My point is its hard to find value picking back to back. The Pats wanted to trade down and select two players at two other positions, or trade out.

mgteich said:

We've heard a lot about a guard who is unhappy making $5.5M this year ($6M next), and who is sitting out of OTA's to make the point. What kind of a raise do you think the patriots have in mind in order to bring in Mathis? Is Mathis worth $6-7M a year to the patriots?

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If it's a one or two year rental, I'd pay that in a heartbeat for, arguably the top OG in the NFL if:

1. It's clear there's no significant decline
2. There's a 2nd year get out
3. We draft a longer term replacement for him <cough>Marpet<cough>

If the scenario is, as an example, to trade for Mathis and draft Marpet, that does open up the first two picks a lot more so that we can go CB /DT or even draft a WR or LB. that in itself adds some value.

manxman2601 said:

Even if we did give up 96 and 101, we still get the picks we'd have had before all the changes: 32, 64 and 97. In effect, we are not giving up anything.

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I think "not giving up anything" is a poor turn of phrase. I'm not against the idea of trading up for the right player, but let's not be dismissive about what it is that we'd be giving up. #96 and #101 could be very serviceable players for us, and we could even find starters at those spots.

Compare:
#20 - CB Byron Jones
#64 - DT Grady Jarrett
#97 - OG Ali Marpet

Against:
#32 - LB/SS Shaq Thompson or CB Eric Rowe
#64 - DT Grady Jarrett
#96 - OG Ali Marpet
#97 - WR Tyler Lockett, Stefon Diggs or Chris Conley
#101 - RB David Cobb, David Johnson

You'd have to think Jones is something really special to give up on two players that would be competitive for a Week One job. The complexion of the draft class is entirely different with five players from the top 101, instead of just three.

As mentioned, the dropoff in talent at CB is rather speculative from #20 to #32. Plus, there's nothing to say Jones couldn't last to #32 if you're willing to wait for him; he is not consistently mocked into the top-30. The nfl.com 7 round mock has him going #45 to Miami.

The Steelers are probably thinking DB (although maybe SS is their target) at #22. After Pittsburgh, none of the teams will be targeting CB in their draft strategy for sure. OL, DL, WR and RB options at the bottom of the first are pretty legit. If there's a feeding frenzy for WRs (not impossible), then the top CBs are likely to be there at #32 with no effort required.

As a compromise, rather than trading all the way to #20 to make sure of the favorite CB, it might be worth (using #131?) on a small trade up to get ahead of Green Bay at #30, but only if your targeted player lasts. This is the Middle Path: the draft board has to cooperate to some degree, but then we make a moderate trade up to close the deal. It's a Read-Option trade strategy.

IMO the draft trade value chart is not all that good. Not only is each year vastly different but I just disagree with the value of certain picks listed in the chart.

The first question is does this draft have any elite QBs? If not the top 2 picks in this chart are massively over valued. That is usually the case.

The drop off should be less steep in general. BBs agree with this too. He often trades down cause he knows a lot of teams go by the chart and the chart is usually incorrect. People have to remember there was not really a study when this chart was made. It was mostly just made up on opinion. There are several resources using data that indicate the real chart should look different.

https://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/how-to-value-nfl-draft-picks/

I think this is a much closer representation of what is usually the case. You need to scroll down a bit to see it.