London stadium being designed as home of NFL franchise

PatriotsReign said:

We don't want international NFL....so there really aren't any options acceptable.

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I'm not opposed to it, but a single team is just a money grab.

Not to mention the labor law differences. Is the draft even legal in the UK? Is the salary cap legal? Will UK courts enforce the provisions of the CBA? On the other hand, the players will probably like the grotesquely favorable to plaintiffs libel laws...

ThatllMoveTheChains!!! said:

I'm not opposed to it, but a single team is just a money grab.

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But I'm sure most American NFL fans are against it, so you're on the side of the minority.

Why would you want international teams?

NFL wants a London team mainly because owners see a ~ $1B team entrance fee.

NFL Europe failed but that was then and this is now.
I think the smart business sense would be to set up a Euro league and state that within N years the league winner would play the SB winner in Europe. I think that this prospect would motivate a fan base. Nice big $ opportunity for the NFL to have yet another SB style spectacle.

To make it more affordable for prospective owners, they could defer a large portion of the NFL entrance fee to be paid once that 1st World Super Bowl was played.

The NFL is hard at work laying out the path to freeing up my fall Sundays by making professional football something in which I have no interest.

Continue to ****ify the game
Start acting as a criminal court
Dilute the regular season
Dilute the playoffs
Require teams to fly across the ocean to play a football game
Dilute talent by adding even more teams to an already bloated league
Put a Super Bowl in Europe

Yeah, that'll probably be enough to do it.

I don't really care. Whether that team is in Jacksonville, LA, Mexico City, St Louis, etc means little to me.
If I were someone who traveled to the away games I'd care.
I guess people who are against it are coming from a judgmental standpoint, where if you think they made a decision you wouldn't its a big deal. As long as they play half the Pats games in Foxboro and all the other NFL games are televised, I don't see how it affects me.

PatriotsReign said:

We don't want international NFL....so there really aren't any options acceptable.

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I hear you, but this hurts least. It is like being anally raped. This way is using lube etc. Moving a team there is using a baseball bat rolled in sand.

Dude.

Okay a couple things -
1) Whoever said there wasn't an NFL team in Toronto forgot the Bills. A little bit. Up to 2013.
2) I don't get the red-headed stepteam concept, where everything goes to hell for one team or another every week (including 8 times for the London team). I would hope it's a stepping stone to a European division to at least soften the travel issue.
3) I wouldn't miss the Jags and neither would Jacksonville. Christ's sake.
4) Take that and 3 more teams from small (U.S.) markets, and ya got the GMT division, if, as noted above, Brits actually can stomach a team. I think Germany could; it's a martial metaphor to begin with, and Germany was into the WLAF when it existed.
5) The whole stepping-stone theory would mean that the NFL believes Europe can support 4 teams, not 1, ultimately. Hell, if they can support 8, we can have the GMT North and GMT South. Or East and West if it shakes out that way.
6) The dilution-of-talent problem is huge. As noted there's no pipeline. U.S. kids started playing soccer, because Communism really won in the 80s. I'm not so sure European parents are eager to sign their kids up for a game medically proven to scramble people's marbles.
7) In terms of the nationalist boo-hooing? Screw that. If I could wave a magic wand and have every country play NFL-style football instead of soccer, I'd do that. As noted, they don't want to do that, but hell, I could have a favorite team in every league, the FA cup could actually stand for Football in the proper sense of the word, all would be right with the world. Call me an expansionist ahole, but I'd be all for it.

So if they can really get it to work, I'm all for football on Zulu time (that's GMT). I just don't get how they're going to get it to work. I don't know if their timeline is years or decades. I just don't think they can look at cities the size of London and Berlin and content themselves with teams in Jacksonville, Buffalo, and wherever the hell the Titans play.

If a London team catches on, what do you think the merchandise numbers would be vs. Jacksonville? How about ad spend? Come on guys. There are major cities out there. I don't know how they get to the tipping point but I can see the appeal for the league.

The world is catching up to the West, and there are rich people and corporations everywhere (you know, for the PSLs.) Let's share the gift of CTE.

PatsFanInVa said:

Dude.

Okay a couple things -
1) Whoever said there wasn't an NFL team in Toronto forgot the Bills. A little bit. Up to 2013.
2) I don't get the red-headed stepteam concept, where everything goes to hell for one team or another every week (including 8 times for the London team). I would hope it's a stepping stone to a European division to at least soften the travel issue.
3) I wouldn't miss the Jags and neither would Jacksonville. Christ's sake.
4) Take that and 3 more teams from small (U.S.) markets, and ya got the GMT division, if, as noted above, Brits actually can stomach a team. I think Germany could; it's a martial metaphor to begin with, and Germany was into the WLAF when it existed.
5) The whole stepping-stone theory would mean that the NFL believes Europe can support 4 teams, not 1, ultimately. Hell, if they can support 8, we can have the GMT North and GMT South. Or East and West if it shakes out that way.
6) The dilution-of-talent problem is huge. As noted there's no pipeline. U.S. kids started playing soccer, because Communism really won in the 80s. I'm not so sure European parents are eager to sign their kids up for a game medically proven to scramble people's marbles.
7) In terms of the nationalist boo-hooing? Screw that. If I could wave a magic wand and have every country play NFL-style football instead of soccer, I'd do that. As noted, they don't want to do that, but hell, I could have a favorite team in every league, the FA cup could actually stand for Football in the proper sense of the word, all would be right with the world. Call me an expansionist ahole, but I'd be all for it.

So if they can really get it to work, I'm all for football on Zulu time (that's GMT). I just don't get how they're going to get it to work. I don't know if their timeline is years or decades. I just don't think they can look at cities the size of London and Berlin and content themselves with teams in Jacksonville, Buffalo, and wherever the hell the Titans play.

If a London team catches on, what do you think the merchandise numbers would be vs. Jacksonville? How about ad spend? Come on guys. There are major cities out there. I don't know how they get to the tipping point but I can see the appeal for the league.

The world is catching up to the West, and there are rich people and corporations everywhere (you know, for the PSLs.) Let's share the gift of CTE.

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You're an expansionist a-hole.

Nitro said:

And how do they plan on signing players? From what I understand their taxes are insane, they have a permit and a fee for just about everything imaginable including -owning a tv-, the cops dont even need to pretend to have a reason to stop and search you. Yeah, i can see a lot of american college kids getting in line to have these huge money contracts confiscated by the royal family to live their life of leisure. england? nice place to visit but living there, oh hell no.

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The tax thing is actually a good question, especially given it's already a mess in the United States as it is in certain markets, which actually affects teams who play them in a given season. There's actually an article that came out recently about it where a lawyer from Boston is trying to eliminate a "jock tax":

http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/n...y-trying-to-cut-tom-brady-s-tax.html?page=all

Not to mention the Euro is worth more than what the American dollar is, so the cost of living there would be higher which wouldn't hurt the rich guys, but the lower-tiered guys would suffer. I think they'd also be setting a home team up for failure given the lack of free agent talent that would want to go there along with the number of players who would likely defect at the end of their contracts back to teams in the U.S. I don't get the logic. I get the desire to force it as an every-season event and potentially more than one game, but having a permanent team is mind boggling and just a bad idea.

******* stupid

PatriotsReign said:

I just pray the NFL's goal is to keep our sport purely American. If they want to start a league in Europe, fine, but I don't want Euro teams playing our teams. Let them have their second-rate league, that's ok.

But having a "The New England Patriots vs the Munich Wolves" would suck.

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Well if it's a closed shop to anyone but Americans please stop the audacity of calling the Super Bowl winners as 'world champions'.

can't even leave us Yanks to our own devices, eh?..pretty soon, you'll be telling us who to vote for...

oh..and BTW..
Osi Umenyiora is a British subject and world champion as is Sebastien Vollmer (German)...maybe YOU should tell THEM to stop running their mouths....

Shed83 said:

Well if it's a closed shop to anyone but Americans please stop the audacity of calling the Super Bowl winners as 'world champions'.

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Blimey!

PatsFanInVa said:

So if they can really get it to work, I'm all for football on Zulu time (that's GMT). I just don't get how they're going to get it to work. I don't know if their timeline is years or decades. I just don't think they can look at cities the size of London and Berlin and content themselves with teams in Jacksonville, Buffalo, and wherever the hell the Titans play.

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Ha, off the top of my head, I don't know either.

Concessions:

Bangers and Mash
Fish n Chips
Blood Pudding
Crumpets
Pork Pie
Piss warm Beer
Whiskey

What is so wrong about a team 3000 miles away in the opposite direction. 3 home and 3 away twice during the season and then 2 and 2 should be ok. If the Brit TV revenues are just 5% of the US TV revenues That will be about 5 mill more for the players on each team.

The one drawback from the players will be the European tax structure, you get a 1mill a year player in Fl
he keeps 65% of his income before deductions. In England he will be lucky to bring home 1/2 of that 1 mill.

Could the players remain US citizens and isn't the money being paid out coming from abroad (NFL NY USA) ?

For every £2 earned above £100,000, £1 of the personal allowance is lost. This means for incomes between £100,001 and £121,200 the marginal income tax rate is 60%.[19]

The taxpayer's income is assessed for tax according to a prescribed order, with income from employment using up the personal allowance and being taxed first, followed by savings income (from interest or otherwise unearned) and then dividends.

Foreign income of United Kingdom residents is taxed as United Kingdom income, but to prevent double taxation the United Kingdom has agreements with many countries to allow offset against United Kingdom tax what is deemed paid abroad. These deemed amounts paid abroad are not necessarily as much as actually paid.[20]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_the_United_Kingdom

Ian said:

The tax thing is actually a good question, especially given it's already a mess in the United States as it is in certain markets, which actually affects teams who play them in a given season. There's actually an article that came out recently about it where a lawyer from Boston is trying to eliminate a "jock tax":

http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/n...y-trying-to-cut-tom-brady-s-tax.html?page=all

Not to mention the Euro is worth more than what the American dollar is, so the cost of living there would be higher which wouldn't hurt the rich guys, but the lower-tiered guys would suffer. I think they'd also be setting a home team up for failure given the lack of free agent talent that would want to go there along with the number of players who would likely defect at the end of their contracts back to teams in the U.S. I don't get the logic. I get the desire to force it as an every-season event and potentially more than one game, but having a permanent team is mind boggling and just a bad idea.

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Actually this is (at present) yesterday's talking point. The dollar is strong right now, translation for Americans, "Europe is on sale." From the trichinosis from Spanish ham sandwiches on RENFE, to syphilitic residents of the demi-monde of Prague back alleys, every millennia-old charm of Europe can be had today for a comparative pittance, if you have that elusive Yankee (sic) dollar in your wallet, provided that said wallet has not been lifted, along with your passport, by a roving gang of supposed troubadours who actually have skin flaps surgically created for the carriage of such dainties.

Of course the dollar and euro will go back and forth against each other. This does not address the tax differences (although you can, in fact, declare in your country of residence, if one of the previous posters is correct).

Triumph said:

Concessions:

Bangers and Mash
Fish n Chips
Blood Pudding
Crumpets
Pork Pie
Piss warm Beer
Whiskey

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You bagged on English cuisine (sic) without mentioning a single organ-meat based dish. Absolutely negligent.