Florio: Source Says that Wells Report takings so long because investigation turned to the NFL

Ross12 said:

Is it at all possible that Goodell really is a halfway OK dude who has been undermined by those in his office multiple times, making him take the blame?

Seems unlikely, but I guess maybe it's possible...

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Nah.

fgssand said:

Happy Sat AM:

Posted about an hour ago from our favorite betting group


SharksOfVegas: The NFL knew the Patriots did not intentionally deflate footballs which is why Ted Wells was hired.

When pressed for verification, they said " source " with no intention of disclosing who that may be. Cannot blame them there.

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This is exactly what I wrote a few days ago on defense of SoV. They have been right all along. Originally the NFL thought their investigation would wrap up in a few days. Then on Wed-Thurs of that week it became obvious that the Patriots had been framed. At that moment they turned to Wells. It is patently obvious at this point.

cmasspatsfan said:

Maybe it was a sting by Goodell to get rid of certain elements in the head offices that he's been trying to oust and now he has his reasons. I thought Curran said something to that effect at the beginning, not the sting part but Goodell wanting to get rid of some people.

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I don't think Goodell had a damn thing to do with it. Some insiders saw an opportunity to take advantage while he was weakened by the Rice scandal.

rlcarr said:

???? If the NFL "knew" the Patriots did not intentionally deflate footballs, then why the hell didn't they say so that week and end the whole thing?

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One reason is because the Colts camp was so public and adamant with its allegations. The league office had to give them the benefit of a doubt by appearing fair, impartial and professional (at least publicly) by convening the "independent" investigation. I'm with others here who feel at this late stage that the investigation has gone way, way beyond the Patriots. There's no other credible explanation for it taking this long.

rochrist said:

Nah.

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I learned my lesson on even suggesting the concept of Goodell being halfway-decent, I was smacked with a dislike for my transgressions!

Ross12 said:

I learned my lesson on even suggesting the concept of Goodell being halfway-decent, I was smacked with a dislike for my transgressions!

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Danger Zone said:

I learneded to use Paint today just for you!

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Well, I'm glad that at least something positive came out of it all.

shmessy said:

This is exactly what I wrote a few days ago on defense of SoV. They have been right all along. Originally the NFL thought their investigation would wrap up in a few days. Then on Wed-Thurs of that week it became obvious that the Patriots had been framed. At that moment they turned to Wells. It is patently obvious at this point.

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If the NFL actually knew that the Patriots were innocent in the immediate hours following the accusation, yet chose to sit by while the whole country piled on the week before the Super Bowl, they should not only step down, but never be able to work in the field again in any capacity. Don't you think some leaks would have presented themselves by now regarding the resignation or career change from some of these higher level executives?

That's not even bringing into account the fact that they'd have given SEA a clear cut advantage in the championship game by forcing the owner, head coach, and leader of the team to all have separate press conferences, cost the loss of millions of dollars through merchandising, dragged the entire fanbase and organization through the mud for NO REASON whatsoever, and caused the biggest distraction in sports history.

I'm not saying that SoV is incorrect (I'm sure they are right on some level about something, whether that's 20 percent or 80 percent) about everything, but you can't blame some of us who are a bit apprehensive of this enormous conspiracy angle.

supafly said:

If the NFL actually knew that the Patriots were innocent in the immediate hours following the accusation, yet chose to sit by while the whole country piled on the week before the Super Bowl, they should not only step down, but never be able to work in the field again in any capacity. Don't you think some leaks would have presented themselves by now regarding the resignation or career change from some of these higher level executives?

That's not even bringing into account the fact that they'd have given SEA a clear cut advantage in the championship game by forcing the owner, head coach, and leader of the team to all have separate press conferences, cost the loss of millions of dollars through merchandising, dragged the entire fanbase and organization through the mud for NO REASON whatsoever, and caused the biggest distraction in sports history.

I'm not saying that SoV is incorrect (I'm sure they are right on some level about something, whether that's 20 percent or 80 percent) about everything, but you can't blame some of us who are a bit apprehensive of this enormous conspiracy angle.

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No one is "blaming" anyone. It's all good

shmessy said:

No one is "blaming" anyone. It's all good

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I am very glad to hear you say that, shmessy, as I certainly didn't want to create any kind of divider between those who may have viewed things differently. To be honest, none of that is worth it, as is the case in just about all of the debates that any of us have.

In the end, we'll all (hopefully) breathe a deep sigh of relief, and finally put this all behind us. Like I've stated many times, the fact that SoV has been behind the team since day one is a major plus that can't be overlooked. Some of us are just a bit apprehensive, that's all. Nothing more than a matter of opinion, and you very well may be correct in the end, in the sense that they'll get everything spot on--or at least close to it.

everyone sucks

I will be surprised if the pats are let off without at least a fine. Whether they were in the wrong or not. League will offer a token punishment for the sake of it. The length of the investigation could be good or bad for the pats. At this time I know better to trust the league/goodell to be fair about this.

SVN said:

I will be surprised if the pats are let off without at least a fine. Whether they were in the wrong or not. League will offer a token punishment for the sake of it. The length of the investigation could be good or bad for the pats. At this time I know better to trust the league/goodell to be fair about this.

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Some of the apprehension certainly stems from this kind of thinking. Goodell's track record, combined with the kind of year the NFL has recently had, are reasons to be skeptical.

I've got to admit that I feel much better about not getting a fine now then I ever have before, though. As far as the length of the investigation goes, that could point to any number of things, most simply the fact that lawyers like to rack up billable hours at 1,000 per hr. It could be good for us, bad for us, or anywhere in between--depending upon personal opinion. Or as noted, it could mean nothing

supafly said:

Some of the apprehension certainly stems from this kind of thinking. Goodell's track record, combined with the kind of year the NFL has recently had, are reasons to be skeptical.

I've got to admit that I feel much better about not getting a fine now then I ever have before, though. As far as the length of the investigation goes, that could point to any number of things, most simply the fact that lawyers like to rack up billable hours at 1,000 per hr. It could be good for us, bad for us, or anywhere in between--depending upon personal opinion. Or as noted, it could mean nothing

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Possible. But the lawyers cant present a 2 page report after so many hours and 100+ days . they may milk the money but there has to be some reason for this. Either the investigation has turned wider into the league and colts or the pats and the past . I even read somewhere that they maybe interviewing past pats backup Qbs and ex players to find out whatever they wanted to find out.

SVN said:

Possible. But the lawyers cant present a 2 page report after so many hours and 100+ days . they may milk the money but there has to be some reason for this. Either the investigation has turned wider into the league and colts or the pats and the past . I even read somewhere that they maybe interviewing past pats backup Qbs and ex players to find out whatever they wanted to find out.

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A past Patriot QB and a past ballboy both went on record with the press saying there was absolutely no hint of anything like this going on.

shmessy said:

I don't think Goodell had a damn thing to do with it. Some insiders saw an opportunity to take advantage while he was weakened by the Rice scandal.

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No kidding, you were supposed to turn your sarcasm meter on when you read that. Curran did say that a while back though, he didn't elaborate and no one asked any further questions when he said it.

cmasspatsfan said:

No kidding, you were supposed to turn your sarcasm meter on when you read that. Curran did say that a while back though, he didn't elaborate and no one asked any further questions when he said it.

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Sorry, I was in an airport earlier and didn't bring my sarcasm meter with my travel bag.

SVN said:

I will be surprised if the pats are let off without at least a fine. Whether they were in the wrong or not. League will offer a token punishment for the sake of it. The length of the investigation could be good or bad for the pats. At this time I know better to trust the league/goodell to be fair about this.

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About the only possible fine I can see against the Patriots might be for "potty break gate"..(A rare gate within a larger gate

Sadly though, I am afraid as much as everything you claim might just happen and really piss us all off to no end.

Every "Gate" has swung the wrong way for pats fans, except the one that is about wins and loss, that's all,I,really care about anyway!!

fgssand said:

About the only possible fine I can see against the Patriots might be for "potty break gate"..(A rare gate within a larger gate

Sadly though, I am afraid as much as everything you claim might just happen and really piss us all off to no end.

Every "Gate" has swung the wrong way for pats fans, except the one that is about wins and loss, that's all,I,really care about anyway!!

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And the game was started late because the NFC game ran late.