Florio: Source Says that Wells Report takings so long because investigation turned to the NFL

From one of Florio's never ending Deflategate article:

With the draft a week away, it remains unknown whether closure will come before the process of making picks begin. Some in league circles think that, whenever it ends, the Patriots will be cleared of any wrongdoing, given the absence of clear evidence of intentional, deliberate tampering with the air pressure in footballs used during the AFC title game.

But that doesn’t mean no one will be getting in trouble.

As one league source recently explained it to PFT, the league’s investigation has expanded to explore its own behavior, including for example the identity of person(s) who leaked to the media information that suggested the Patriots did something wrong.

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/04/24/still-waiting-for-deflategate-outcome/

Kinda backs up what Albert Breer said a couple of weeks ago (the most interesting thing to come out of the report will be what the league knew and when and what was the league's and Colts' actions before and during the game) and what Sharks of Vegas has been saying all along.

Rob0729 said:

From one of Florio's never ending Deflategate article:



http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/04/24/still-waiting-for-deflategate-outcome/

Kinda backs up what Albert Breer said a couple of weeks ago (the most interesting thing to come out of the report will be what the league knew and when and what was the league's and Colts' actions before and during the game) and what Sharks of Vegas has been saying all along.

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Maybe Kraft will get that apology after all!

Kensil will be getting fired then.

His little sting didn't go quite as planned it seems.

Thanks @Rob0729 for staying on top of this for us

Whew...exoneration....what a relief!

For me, Florio's sources are slightly better than Sharks of Vegas, but not quite as good as a monkey throwing darts at a Jump to Conclusions mat.

Still, this would be awesome if true.

This is the perfect story for Florio, he wins no matter what.

I trust Curran more than PFT, but I'll take it. And maybe SoV does have sources and I'm wrong about them too. I'll take that too!

If true, and if the league has exonerated the Patriots essentially, what is stopping them from releasing a statement saying as much, and that they'll continue to investigate the league? So that the leader of the free world isn't effectively calling them cheaters while "honoring" them for their championship, you know?

I think we can safely rule out getting any picks for this draft at this point. Wouldn't really be fair to the teams to be honest this late in the game. Although I wouldn't feel bad for the Jets and the Colts.

Rob0729 said:

From one of Florio's never ending Deflategate article:



http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/04/24/still-waiting-for-deflategate-outcome/

Kinda backs up what Albert Breer said a couple of weeks ago (the most interesting thing to come out of the report will be what the league knew and when and what was the league's and Colts' actions before and during the game) and what Sharks of Vegas has been saying all along.

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I just caught a piece on NFL Network about the Grigson guy from Indy. Anyone know his claim to fame?

This NFL attack on the Pats reminds me of a Gronk TD when all the tacklers are bouncing off of him as he rolls into the end zone.

Wake me up when the actual report is out.

BradyManny said:

I trust Curran more than PFT, but I'll take it. And maybe SoV does have sources and I'm wrong about them too. I'll take that too!

If true, and if the league has exonerated the Patriots essentially, what is stopping them from releasing a statement saying as much, and that they'll continue to investigate the league? So that the leader of the free world isn't effectively calling them cheaters while "honoring" them for their championship, you know?

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But Curran never contradicted any thing that Florio is saying here. Curran never said that the Wells investigation isn't looking into the League or the Colts. He just said his source (who he says he doesn't know if that source's information is accurate or just rumors or spin) said that they are being very, very thorough with their investigation to the point of possibly being ridiculous with the Patriots. But he also said the source said that they are investigating anyone who touched the balls or knows of who touched the balls and that would include the refs, Kensil, the Colts' staff, etc.

After everything has come out, there is no way the Wells investigation isn't looking into the League or Colts. If they released a report now that was 100% Patriots focused, everyone in the media other than the Patriots haters would kill this investigation. There are far too many questions about how this whole thing was handled by the League and Colts from who knew before and what they did and all the inconsistencies of the stories to all the leaks that turned events that either had nothing to do with the Pats or things that really weren't all that big of a deal into smoking guns as evidence of the Patriots cheating. And of course the fact that they had an employee that they either knew or suspected of stealing game used merchandise handling the kicking balls during a league championship game. There is no way the Wells report can't investigate the League. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong.

1960Pats said:

I just caught a piece on NFL Network about the Grigson guy from Indy. Anyone know his claim to fame?

This NFL attack on the Pats reminds me of a Gronk TD when all the tacklers are bouncing off of him as he rolls into the end zone.

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Ryan Grigson is the Colts GM. He is the one who "blew the whistle" during the week leading up to the AFCCG by expressing the team's concerns to the league office that the Pats were deflating footballs. Who he actually notified and the actual events and process the league took to investigate are unknown- hence why Ted Wells is now involved.

1960Pats said:

I just caught a piece on NFL Network about the Grigson guy from Indy. Anyone know his claim to fame?

This NFL attack on the Pats reminds me of a Gronk TD when all the tacklers are bouncing off of him as he rolls into the end zone.

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You mean other than being a horrible GM who has wasted every first round draft pick he has ever had other than Andrew Luck which was such a no brainer pick that I think my five year old niece who thinks football is boring and stupid couldn't have gotten wrong?

But he was working with the Rams when the Pats beat them in the Super Bowl.

Rob0729 said:

But he was working with the Rams when the Pats beat them in the Super Bowl.

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No ax to grind there

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You mean other than being a horrible GM who has wasted every first round draft pick he has ever had other than Andrew Luck which was such a no brainer pick that I think my five year old niece who thinks football is boring and stupid couldn't have gotten wrong?

But he was working with the Rams when the Pats beat them in the Super Bowl.

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And the Eagles in 2004 too?

I want to know about the blatant tampering the Jets did on Darrelle Revis when he was still under contract with the Patriots.

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There is no way the Wells report can't investigate the League. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong.

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I agree with that, but at the same time, Curran's report is disconcerting and odd as well. And I trust Curran, as he seems very connected on this (to the Pats side of things at least). If the PSI #s are what we think they are, and if Columbia exonerated the Pats as we assume they did, why is the NFL ****ing around talking to our backup QBs from years ago? They are still looking for a human tampering explanation for something that is explained scientifically?

It's rather confusing.

I agree with the larger point though, the league's involvement, Grigson, Kensil, whoever leaked BS to Mort, that all needs to be in the report.

Q: Do "journalists" as hysterically trivial as sports reporters get to protect their sources as actual journalists do? I wonder if they've talked directly to Mort at this point.

BradyManny said:

I agree with that, but at the same time, Curran's report is disconcerting and odd as well. And I trust Curran, as he seems very connected on this (to the Pats side of things at least). If the PSI #s are what we think they are, and if Columbia exonerated the Pats as we assume they did, why is the NFL ****ing around talking to our backup QBs from years ago? They are still looking for a human tampering explanation for something that is explained scientifically?
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Yes they are because non-scientifically minded people too often think that so-called FUNDAMENTAL laws of physics can be a matter of opinion.

Froob said:

I think we can safely rule out getting any picks for this draft at this point. Wouldn't really be fair to the teams to be honest this late in the game. Although I wouldn't feel bad for the Jets and the Colts.

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It isn't fair to the Pats that the Rats and Colts can preemptively trade away picks before they can be forfeited either.

It also wasn't exactly fair to the Pats and their fans that they had to endure the crap they had to at a time they should have been able to celebrate going to the Superbowl.

PatsWickedPissah said:

Yes they are because non-scientifically minded people too often think that so-called FUNDAMENTAL laws of physics can be a matter of opinion.

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Well put - but to me this only explains the first couple weeks of this mess. Because I get Grigson or Kensil or whoever not getting it. Heck, even for the first week, I don't think Tom Brady or Bill Belichick knew what was going on. And Belichick, being the smartest guy involved in the whole thing, was the only person with the smarts to run an experiment, and see what happened.

However, you'd think Wells is a smart, educated person - maybe not in science, but in his own field, and presumably has a respect for others that are experts in their field. If Columbia comes back and gives him the same results HeadSmart has, doesn't he accept it and move on from trying to find deliberate tampering??