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Devin McCourty on secondary: I’d be lying if I said today that we’ll be great


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I think what bothers me most about that image is that they used the abbreviation CLT to indicate the Colts, rather than shorten the city name like they did for EVERY OTHER LINE.

I don't have OCD, but I can feel that kind of thing crawl beneath my neck skin.
 
perfect patriot player answer to a tricky question.

Basically just saying "we have not even started practicing yet, how do you expect me to tell you were are the best?"

I look forward to the bills players talking about how they are the best at every position
 
And yet he all but started every game once coming back from suspension including the most important play of the year in the most important game of the year. In said play, his strength on the press made it possible for Butler to undercut that route and come away with the game-ending INT. He was a solid CB2 and letting him go only created another potential spot to fill.
No one is denigrating Browner, Kontra. He did exactly what we expected of him while he was here. He got too many penalties, and could rarely handle a receiver one on one in any kind of open space. He was who he was.

Believe me, no one wants to find his replacement more than I do. I'm searching the basketball courts now. Why he's not here is simple. Without Revis so we could always be able to swing a safety to Browner's side, he is too unreliable to be a consistent presence on one side. Believe me there will be times this year I will be dying for Browner to line up on some big WR. But here's the thing. For BB/Patricia dependability is just as important as skill. Between his age and ebbing quickness, Browner was no longer someone who could be counted on as a "dependable" asset, as opposed to someone who was a good matchup against certain receivers and not others

So at $5MM/yr, the Pats didn't have the luxury to afford Brandon Browner with all the things he does well, and the others he doesn't. If Revis had been a possibility, Browner would likely have been back., But their skill sets were a package deal. I think the Saints will find that without having that shutdown guy opposite him, Browner will be less often effective

THIS YEAR, I expect the defenses to be even more week to week and all match up orientated. The use of positions like S and CB will mean less this year than last. The brilliance of the Pats defense will be in their personnel packages. In order to help make up for the loss of Revis, just like the defense never knows who the Pats are going to throw to, offenses are rarely going to be able to figure out how the Pats will cover pre-snap. And knowing how they think , that will change week to week and formation to formation.

Think about it this way. We already know how difficult it is for receivers to change patterns after the sanp, imagine how difficult it will be if that defense is particularly difficult for the receivers to read
 
Ken, we'll do that. But the lack of a shutdown guy is not a virtue. The week-to-week potential you cite is just a recipe for the Seattle "we do what we do, see if you can stop us" philosophy to make a deeper dent (assuming JAG level play, which is a big assumption.)

Scheme to minimize weaknesses - yes. Scheme to make the most of each skill set - yes. Scheme as a superior position because you're not locked into an elite level of play by one guy - no. There's 6/1 cap casualties, there's UDFAs, there's the draft, there's always the possibilities of trades and there's the possibility that Butler was elite-in-the-making-but-under-the-radar, and the possibility that McCourty's play goes from good to very good. Who knows - maybe he learned a lot playing with Revis.

The economics are what they are, and I'm looking forward, not back. I just wonder whether this isn't the year that pressure becomes the modus operandi on D, with the secondary looking "meh" at this point in terms of talent. Forgive the "meh" I like these guys. But the Revis/Browner combo level ain't coming back, at least, is not a high probability to be matched.

The sky's not falling. We'll see a lot of interesting work done this year. We might see stars emerge. Necessity is the mother of invention, and all that. But we'll see by season's end whether the secondary goes into the "last game" -- whenever that comes -- as asset or liability.

Hey for all I know the book on Butler will end up being, "hold crap, this guy was as good as Revis all along!" Looking forward to finding out good things :)
 
Please lie to us Devin!! Seriously, what is he supposed to say or think at this point? These guys have to work together and gel before anyone can say if they'll be great or not. Can't wait for the season.
 
This exact same thing is said every season by a member of a skill position group. Totally nothing and taken out of context.

Move along.
 
And yet he all but started every game once coming back from suspension including the most important play of the year in the most important game of the year. In said play, his strength on the press made it possible for Butler to undercut that route and come away with the game-ending INT. He was a solid CB2 and letting him go only created another potential spot to fill.


The roster is loaded with number 2 corners, they're only missing a #1 guy. Browner worked great in an aggressive press man scheme with Revis locking down a top receiver or entire side of the field. .. but with Revis gone, they have to go back to more of a zone scheme, trailing technique which does not match well with Browner's skill set.. which means he was no longer worth his contract on THIS team
 
And yet he all but started every game once coming back from suspension including the most important play of the year in the most important game of the year. In said play, his strength on the press made it possible for Butler to undercut that route and come away with the game-ending INT. He was a solid CB2 and letting him go only created another potential spot to fill.
Agree.
Browner is who he is. The penalties, aggressiveness and likely targeting by the officials are more than outweighed by the value he brings.
 
McCourty sounds a lot more mature than Rex Ryan, doesn't he?
Does anyone know if he's the kind of guy that might make the move into coaching when his playing days are done?
 
No one is denigrating Browner, Kontra. He did exactly what we expected of him while he was here. He got too many penalties, and could rarely handle a receiver one on one in any kind of open space. He was who he was.

Believe me, no one wants to find his replacement more than I do. I'm searching the basketball courts now. Why he's not here is simple. Without Revis so we could always be able to swing a safety to Browner's side, he is too unreliable to be a consistent presence on one side. Believe me there will be times this year I will be dying for Browner to line up on some big WR. But here's the thing. For BB/Patricia dependability is just as important as skill. Between his age and ebbing quickness, Browner was no longer someone who could be counted on as a "dependable" asset, as opposed to someone who was a good matchup against certain receivers and not others

So at $5MM/yr, the Pats didn't have the luxury to afford Brandon Browner with all the things he does well, and the others he doesn't. If Revis had been a possibility, Browner would likely have been back., But their skill sets were a package deal. I think the Saints will find that without having that shutdown guy opposite him, Browner will be less often effective

THIS YEAR, I expect the defenses to be even more week to week and all match up orientated. The use of positions like S and CB will mean less this year than last. The brilliance of the Pats defense will be in their personnel packages. In order to help make up for the loss of Revis, just like the defense never knows who the Pats are going to throw to, offenses are rarely going to be able to figure out how the Pats will cover pre-snap. And knowing how they think , that will change week to week and formation to formation.

Think about it this way. We already know how difficult it is for receivers to change patterns after the sanp, imagine how difficult it will be if that defense is particularly difficult for the receivers to read

This explanation would make more sense if the Pats didn't historically shade a safety over to the CB2's side. No matter if it's been Dennard, Bodden, Hobbs, etc., the #2 corner has traditionally gotten safety help. Browner was no different. He was just very effective at what he did and was more than capable of shutting down bigger receivers.
 
The roster is loaded with number 2 corners, they're only missing a #1 guy. Browner worked great in an aggressive press man scheme with Revis locking down a top receiver or entire side of the field. .. but with Revis gone, they have to go back to more of a zone scheme, trailing technique which does not match well with Browner's skill set.. which means he was no longer worth his contract on THIS team

I wouldn't quite classify it like that. This team has a number of players who have the potential to max out as a CB2 (IMO), but just about every one of them has question marks. I would have said that Darius Butler and Logan Ryan had CB2 potential after their rookie years, yet they took steps back in year 2. I think we have some interesting bodies in the mix but we lack a lot of sure things.
 
McCourty hit precisely the right tone with his remarks. He doesn't know, and we don't know, how good the secondary will be until they get organized as a group. It may very well be that the current group plus a draft pick or two might be great, especially if the front seven can be healthy and continue to develop.

We also know that Belichick-coached teams get better as the season progresses - 2014 is exhibit A. The defense might suck early in the season and come around the way the offensive line did last year.

As for the corners who are gone, it's time to move on.

The guys who are back in the secondary are a battle-tested group of athletic, young corners. I'm not underestimating Malcolm Butler's upside, that's for sure. We know that Arrington is excellent against slot guys and vulnerable against bigger receivers outside. Logan Ryan and Alfonzo Dennard are two players who've been in the system, and have shown skills. The three free agents look like depth guys to me, but who really knows until they play in this defense.

I hope they draft the big kid, Kevin Johnson, out of Wake Forest at #32, but I imagine they'll go offensive line right there to replace Connolly. Johnson is an athletic corner that has speed and quickness closing on the football. Ten pounds on his frame would help him to be a little more physical with big receivers. He may be gone at #32, in which case I'd wait a round or two to see if the UConn kid Byron Jones is still on the board. He has freakish athleticism but has a long way to go as a cover corner.
 
The roster is loaded with number 2 corners, they're only missing a #1 guy. Browner worked great in an aggressive press man scheme with Revis locking down a top receiver or entire side of the field. .. but with Revis gone, they have to go back to more of a zone scheme, trailing technique which does not match well with Browner's skill set.. which means he was no longer worth his contract on THIS team

1. Is this roster really loaded with #2 corners? Dennard was shut down last year and the jury is still out if he'll come back and take over the CB2 role, Butler is still very much an unknown at this point despite a good showing in the Super Bowl, Arrington is not a CB2, and Fletcher is hot garbage. Of them all, Dennard has the most potential.

2. You forget that Browner played a **** load of zone in Seattle and saw a healthy amount of zone snaps in New England. He's perfectly capable of playing it while still playing to his strengths by re-routing the WR at the LOS. He's not exclusively a press man corner.

3. I highly doubt BB wants to go back to a zone-heavy defense. That style wasn't exactly racking him up Lombardi trophies prior to bringing in Revis and Browner and the team more or less ran it because of deficiencies in the secondary.
 
I agree with him. None of us know what to expect.
 
With possible picks and players stepping up, I'm not super worried about our secondary yet. Like McCourty is saying, it takes a collection of talent supporting each other to achieve greatness.
 
Rule of thumb: if it's Devin McCourty speaking, nothing newsworthy was said. :)

McCourty is a master of the art of speaking intelligently at length, never evading the question, seldom resorting to platitudes...and yet never actually providing any information whatsoever. It's dazzling, really. Read over that full quote again: it's a paragraph-long version of "wait and see."

He really is the perfect Patriot! :D

The question now becomes did he come in with that talent, like Brady, or did he learn it here. I suppose it's a God given ability, but the Pats' staff sure can hone that skill. I'm sure all teams coach it, but just as on the field, no team does it better.

Gee it's been a great off-season.
 
McCourty sounds a lot more mature than Rex Ryan, doesn't he?
Does anyone know if he's the kind of guy that might make the move into coaching when his playing days are done?

The Pats have tons of players (literally) that are more mature than Wrecks.
 
With possible picks and players stepping up, I'm not super worried about our secondary yet. Like McCourty is saying, it takes a collection of talent supporting each other to achieve greatness.

Point taken but you probably want to avoid "collecting talent" in any form as a way to describe the philosophy :)

But yeah, how they function as a unit (and within a team) is the key... not whether we entered/won a bidding war.
 
This explanation would make more sense if the Pats didn't historically shade a safety over to the CB2's side. No matter if it's been Dennard, Bodden, Hobbs, etc., the #2 corner has traditionally gotten safety help. Browner was no different. He was just very effective at what he did and was more than capable of shutting down bigger receivers.

Well we do have a luxury in having a top 3 free safety with the speed, range and awareness to basically play center field by himself, similar to how the Ravens used ed reed..

Reed was basically always the lone single high safety in their defense, I suspect that mccourty will be called on to provide that responsibility given his top of the market contract
 
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