Where does a hopeful skinny rookie Tom Brady get drafted in 2015?

The NFL is much better at identifying QB talent now than 15 years ago. We see less spectacular busts, and more quality players from unheralded programs. Look at NE's very own Garoppolo, a "no-name" from practically a Div 2 school taken in the 2nd round!

That said, I wonder where a hypothetical rookie Ton Brady would go if he were entered in the current 2015 draft? Would he go sooner than 6 - 199? Same? Worse?

My throw of a dart vote - 4th round.

Basically a bit better, up a couple rounds from 6-199.

He still gets mostly overlooked, but the current NFL think tank identifies his arm, height, awareness and overall potential talent a bit better than back 2000. One could even argue it is BECAUSE of the success of TB/BB that these changes in QB draft focus and improved acumen have occurred.

REPORT:

Tom Brady, DS #9 QB, Michigan
Selected: Round 6, Pick 33, Overall Pick 199 by Patriots

Name: Tom Brady
College: Michigan Number: 10
Height: 6-4 Weight: 211
Position: QB Pos2:
Class/Draft Year: Sr/2000
40 Low: 5.14 40 Time: 5.24 40 High: 5.35
Projected Round: 6-7 Stock: Rated number 9 out of 24 QB's / 469 TOTAL

Combine Results
Pro Day Results
Combine Invite: Yes
Height: 6043
Weight: 211
40 Yrd Dash: 5.24
20 Yrd Dash: 2.99
10 Yrd Dash: 1.75 225 Lb. Bench Reps:
Vertical Jump: 24 1/2
Broad Jump: 08'03"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.38
3-Cone Drill: 7.20

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Probably round 2 or 3 like he was projected to in 2000.(That's what they told Tom Brady) Just my uneducated guess.

I'd like to also mention that the Patriots liked Brady. The 2000 team roster was a mess and they had a lot of needs. They had 3 QB's already on the roster. If they needed a QB I'm sure they would have taken Brady in the 3rd round.

No idea. Maybe they would do a better job and maybe not.

He would still have an awful combine which is overvalued. The problem is there is no drill that can effectively measure the things Brady did well coming out of college. There is no poise measurement drill, pocket awareness drill, situational awareness drill, coverage read ability drill.

Probably pretty high. He compares very favorably to Tom Brady, the best quarterback of all-time, and he reminds scouts of the way Brady was back when he was drafted. That said, I think Brady could have a good career and may even ascend to the same level of success as Brady.

He doesn't. 3 cone is too slow, vert isn't high enough, no reps at 225,.....................

OK....lets forget 2000-2014 never happened. I'll be totally honest here....

Brady had a great senior year. Carr kept trying to get Henson in there and Brady kept beating him out. Hensen is a steakhead IMO so not sure Brady won the job by default.. Brady kicked ass in the Orange Bowl. The dude made the throws when the needed to be made.

However...

His combine was brutal. Maybe he put up good #s at Michigan b/c he had Terrell to throw to and Thomas to run it? They had a great O-line too. Hes about as athletic as I am. Look at his pic in the boxers! My god...

His scouting report is nothing to write home about either.

Tom Brady, QB Michigan

Positives: Good height to see the field. Very poised and composed. Smart and alert. Can read coverages. Good accuracy and touch. Produces in big spots and in big games. Has some Brian Griese in him and is a gamer. Generally plays within himself. Team leader.

Negatives: Poor build. Very skinny and narrow. Ended the '99 season weighing 195 pounds and still looks like a rail at 211. Looks a little frail and lacks great physical stature and strength. Can get pushed down more easily than you'd like. Lacks mobility and ability to avoid the rush. Lacks a really strong arm. Can't drive the ball down the field and does not throw a really tight spiral. System-type player who can get exposed if he must ad-lib and do things on his own.

Summary: Is not what you're looking for in terms of physical stature, strength, arm strength and mobility, but he has the intangibles and production and showed great Griese-like improvement as a senior. Could make it in the right system but will not be for everyone.

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Personally I don't think Griese is that great. Brady scored a 33 on the Wonderlic so he is pretty smart. Michigan QBs for some reason are very average QBs in the NFL. Not sure why that is.

In all honestly the dude is a project at best. There are like 5-6 Qbs that I'd take before him. Might be a good backup because hes smart. Seems to bring it in big games though...I keep coming back to that. (full-disclosure: I said the same thing 15 years ago )

I don't see him being taken until mid-late in the draft.

the only real question is if he would go before or after Hundley. He would definitely go before Petty or any of the other QB's in the draft

Wheelman said:

Probably round 2 or 3 like he was projected to in 2000.(That's what they told Tom Brady) Just my uneducated guess.

I'd like to also mention that the Patriots liked Brady. The 2000 team roster was a mess and they had a lot of needs. They had 3 QB's already on the roster. If they needed a QB I'm sure they would have taken Brady in the 3rd round.

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I've never heard Brady was supposed to go in the 3rd or 2nd! round. Even this scouting report (OP) had him as 9th QB out of 24.

Nice find on that scouting report. It's actually quite insightful as a snapshot in overall thinking. Back in 2000 GMs/scouts weren't looking at these...

Positives: Good height to see the field. Very poised and composed. Smart and alert. Can read coverages. Good accuracy and touch. Produces in big spots and in big games. Has some Brian Griese in him and is a gamer. Generally plays within himself. Team leader.

and were more concerned with these...

Poor build. Very skinny and narrow. Looks a little frail and lacks great physical stature and strength. Can get pushed down more easily than you'd like. Lacks mobility and ability to avoid the rush*. Lacks a really strong arm. Can't drive the ball down the field and does not throw a really tight spiral. System-type player.

Before the QB had to have the big arm, throw 50yd bullets and have the beach body. Also,
IMO back in 2000 mobility* meant scrambling around, not pocket footwork. Big change in thinking there too. Scrambling outside the pocket isn't too important these days either.

So hypothetically assuming they are true, basing purely on these positives and the negatives, a similar QB gets drafted much higher today in 2015 than back 2000. TB has literally shown all that other stuff was just window dressing, and instead highlighted how important his positive traits truly are to success in the NFL.

That all said, he still goes in the mid 4th at best if I'm the GM. It's tough to see it, even after you've actually seen it.

robertweathers said:

Scouting Report:

Tom Brady, QB Michigan
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Summary: Is not what you're looking for in terms of physical stature, strength, arm strength and mobility, but he has the intangibles and production and showed great Griese-like improvement as a senior. Could make it in the right system but will not be for everyone.

I don't see him being taken until mid-late in the draft.

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UDFA. Camp arm

pdangle said:

I've never heard Brady was supposed to go in the 3rd or 2nd! round. Even this scouting report (OP) had him as 9th QB out of 24.

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I think it was the people who tell the college athletes where they're going to get drafted and if they should enter the draft. I don't know who they are. I don't remember where I saw it, I think it was the Brady 6 documentary but don't quote me on it.

EDIT: It was in the Brady 6 documentary his father says "we were lead to believe that he was going to be drafted possibly 2nd, probably 3rd round"

3rd Round, perhaps 4th because he doesn't have the measurables of a Winston or Mariota. Shame the combine doesn't test heart.

today's QBs are much more athletic. Brady would be viewed as the worst athlete. 'slow statue'.

he would not be picked higher than 199th. yes, it's a shame.

UDFA. Ridiculously slow and struggles with the deep ball. It just makes his winning% even more impressive though.

Or maybe 1st round. I don't know after Tebow, a guy that cannot actually throw the ball, went in the first.

I think we should take a chance on the guy. Brady's smart, makes good decisions, and is C-L-U-T-C-H. Yeah he's skin and bones now, but by his second season on a NFL regiment he'll have bulked up, which will probably improve his throwing power. His poor pocket presence is worrying though--great quarterbacks like Tom Brady, who Brady otherwise compares favorably to, are amazing at sliding around in the pocket and avoiding the pressure. If he can't do that, he has no place on an NFL roster.

wolverinejoe80 said:

today's QBs are much more athletic. Brady would be viewed as the worst athlete. 'slow statue'.

he would not be picked higher than 199th. yes, it's a shame.

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So, do all the other GMs in the league look at Tom Brady, the guy who wins the most all of the time, and think "Well, we shouldn't draft a QB with his skill set." It seems insane.

It's hard to say. Brady himself is one of the reasons why his qualities are more in demand now than they were back then. If we assume someone else filled those shoes so the market remained the same, then I'd guess somewhere in the 4th round.

pdangle said:

The NFL is much better at identifying QB talent now than 15 years ago. We see less spectacular busts, and more quality players from unheralded programs. Look at NE's very own Garoppolo, a "no-name" from practically a Div 2 school taken in the 2nd round!

That said, I wonder where a hypothetical rookie Ton Brady would go if he were entered in the current 2015 draft? Would he go sooner than 6 - 199? Same? Worse?

My throw of a dart vote - 4th round.

Basically a bit better, up a couple rounds from 6-199.

He still get's mostly overlooked, but the current NFL think tank identifies his arm, height, awareness, successes and talent a bit better than back 2000. One could even argue it is BECAUSE of the success of TB/BB that changes in QB draft focus have occurred.

REPORT:

Tom Brady, DS #9 QB, Michigan
Selected: Round 6, Pick 33, Overall Pick 199 by Patriots

Name: Tom Brady
College: Michigan Number: 10
Height: 6-4 Weight: 211
Position: QB Pos2:
Class/Draft Year: Sr/2000
40 Low: 5.14 40 Time: 5.24 40 High: 5.35
Projected Round: 6-7 Stock:

Rated number 9 out of 24 QB's / 469 TOTAL

Combine Results
Pro Day Results
Combine Invite: Yes
Height: 6043
Weight: 211
40 Yrd Dash: 5.24
20 Yrd Dash: 2.99
10 Yrd Dash: 1.75 225 Lb. Bench Reps:
Vertical Jump: 24 1/2
Broad Jump: 08'03"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.38
3-Cone Drill: 7.20

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Probably doesn't get drafted at all with that terrible alter-boy haircut and a 40-time most offensive lineman can beat.

Thank God for **** Rehbein and God rest his smart soul, I'll leave it at that.

Without him this thread doesn't exist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/****_Rehbein

Unsung hero to say the least

Right now he'd probably banging this chick:


Instead of this chick: