Who would other teams trade UP for at 32?

It's often said that there's a plateau of talent starting at picks 20-25, and so the Pats ought to trade down. What's the other side of that coin? Who do you forecast being available at 32 who would be much more valuable to another team than to NE?

Quarterbacks are the usual suspects, but not this year. One possibility is TE Maxx Williams, with Cleveland at #43 as a possible partner.

Who else?

Obviously a RB like Gurley or Gordon. Can see a team wanting to lock one of those up for five years. By the way, this is a good reason for BB not taking Gurley at 32. Can't see BB paying the 5th year option for a RB.

The others that spring to mind are Landon Collins, one of the WRs, particularly DGB, DJ Humphries or Eric Kendricks.

Whoever is the next QB, nothing else is worth it... Bears #39+#106 for #32 Atleast its the trade I have used for my mock fun

The good news is we have Dallas at #27 or Baltimore at #26 that could potentially be trade partners if BB decides to move up from #32.

But the only way I see going up is if one of the highly rated edge rushers drops: Ray, Gregory or Dupree.

Ochmed Jones said:

The good news is we have Dallas at #27 or Baltimore at #26 that could potentially be trade partners if BB decides to move up from #32.

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OK, this makes me see that the thread title was unclear (it was supposed to be about which players OTHER teams would trade up for.) I'll try tweaking it.

patchick said:

Quarterbacks are the usual suspects, but not this year.

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Not sure about that, several teams are likely looking at 2nd round QBs. Philly, Rams, Cleveland to name a few but there's others. One could easily trade up to #32 to get the one of their choice and get the 5th year option which is extra nice for QB.

manxman2601 said:

Obviously a RB like Gurley or Gordon. Can see a team wanting to lock one of those up for five years. By the way, this is a good reason for BB not taking Gurley at 32. Can't see BB paying the 5th year option for a RB.

The others that spring to mind are Landon Collins, one of the WRs, particularly DGB, DJ Humphries or Eric Kendricks.

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If Gurley is as good as billed (BeAst Mode II) then his rookie deal will be much more than worth it.

patchick said:

OK, this makes me see that the thread title was unclear (it was supposed to be about which players OTHER teams would trade up for.) I'll try tweaking it.

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This question almost always comes back to QB because you have a good idea who will get the first rounders and who still wants one. Other than that it is really hard to figure out who will address their need in the first and what teams will be looking for in the second.

Ivan said:

If Gurley is as good as billed (BeAst Mode II) then his rookie deal will be much more than worth it.

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To BB though? He doesn't like paying RBs. a 5th year option for Gurley looks to be about 5.5m for one year. It's not impossible BB would pay that but recent history suggests he'd be reluctant.

manxman2601 said:

To BB though? He doesn't like paying RBs. a 5th year option for Gurley looks to be about 5.5m for one year. It's not impossible BB would pay that but recent history suggests he'd be reluctant.

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He will pay for greatness and if the top RBs are getting over 10 million a year now 5.5 five years from now is a deal. Belichick had never given a receiver 6 million a year and he offered Moss 10, and that was a while ago, and he had never given a corner more than 6 a year and gave Revis more than twice that. However Gurley would truly have to live up to the billing for Belichick to consider it.

I no longer believe that Gurley or Gordon will last to 32.

The third best QB (choose: Grayson, Hundley, Petty) is not worth coming up to #32. What team would be so desperate that they couldn't wait to the top of the 2nd?

At WR, what team is going to be so desperate to draft Devin Smith, DGB, Nelson Agholor or Sammie Coates that they'd give up draft picks... especially if the others are likely still on the board as well.

Odighizuwa or Kendricks, perhaps, if they're there?

If one of the edge pass rushers (Ray, Gregory, Dupree) drops, at a position where we already seem to have quality depth? But it's hard to honestly imagine any one of those three lasting to #32. Someone would trade up in the late 20s if they started to fall.

A trade back would need some team to have a very high grade (on a CB?) that BB has taken off his draft board for whatever reason, bad scheme fit or poor intangibles. My best bet: maybe the Steelers would offer #56, #87 and a 2016 2nd Rounder to draft Byron Jones or Marcus Peters, in their desperation to fix their secondary. I think BB would do that deal, and then look to trade back up in the 2nd. Seems like a hell of a lot for Pittsburgh (or any team) to give up, but that's what it would take.

I still think it might be Hundley, someone who falls like Shaq or Devin Smith could but I could also see the Pats might take one of those guys rather than trade out.

It occurs to me that the last two times the Patriots traded out of the first, the targets were:

Mark Ingram, in a year when the Pats desperately needed running backs
Cordarrelle Patterson, in a year when the Pats desperately needed receivers

Small sample set, but...maybe being a credible threat to take the player yourself helps? So we could be looking at a player like Eddie Goldman, in a year when the Pats have looked at a ton of NT types (but mostly later in the draft). Or perhaps a CB they've decided to cross off their boards for character reasons?

Another approach: take a close look at Minnesota's draft needs and tendencies. The Vikings have traded up for a second 1st-round pick two years in a row.

There might be something to your "credible threat to take the player yourself" theory.

The other GM will certainly know what your needs are, and is imaging the player he covets about to come off the board. Makes him more likely to bid up the trade value to a place where BB sees profit in waiting. Although how the Vikings could have imagined that BB was interested in Patterson is a fascinating question.

Take the opposite scenario, where the other GM knows full well the Pats are unlikely to draft the guy he wants. When BB lets on what he wants in trade, the other GM is likely to think to himself "fark that, I'll just do the deal with the team at 33". There is no imminent threat to force the negotiating leverage.

patchick said:

The Vikings have traded up for a second 1st-round pick two years in a row.

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Three Years in a row.

I've been thinking about your intriguing Premise, which of course has intoxicated me over the Years...

Seems to me that the likely Targets are far more likely than not to either play a Sexy Position ~ Maddenized, if you will ~ or have themselves tremendous athletic Sex Appeal ~ as it were.

01 ~ QuarterBacks, Pass Rushers, WideOuts, HalfBacks, Left Tackles, or Athletic Freaks seem to produce it.

02 ~ Guys who are generally expected to go Top 10 but plummet are Notions...Aaron Rodgers, Teddy B.

03 ~ But more often, it's perhaps guys who are in Section #01...and could be speculated to intoxicate someone. I found it amusing that in 1 Year, not one but 2 Volunteers attracted Trade Ups around the Border betweent the 1st and 2nd Rounds...and in that very same Year, the 3rd Volunteer WideOut ~ the erstwhile Volunteer WideOut, but arguably the best of'm all ~ went UFA!!

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My Candidates, Sistah Patricia...

01 ~ Todd Gurley does indeed seem a Possibility.

02 ~ So does Mel Gordon, for that matter...but more likely if one'f'm has just been plucked.

03 ~ Breshad Perriman. I would laugh my @$$ off.

04 ~ Dorial Green Beckham. Definitely a Possibility.

05 ~ Sammie Coates. Absolutely.

06 ~ And of course: Brett Hundley.

Off The Grid said:

Three Years in a row.

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Wow, you're right! The Vikings have traded up for an extra 1st every year since 2012...the year Rick Spielman took over as GM. That's starting to look like a deliberate strategy to concentrate value and/or reap the extra contract year.

CB is the popular pick to mock to Minnesota at #11, which could leave them looking for a LT & LB, two positions which might very well be attractive values at #32.

I agree with a lot of what's been predicted here. I think the position that goes on a run in a 20's is most likely. If there's only one CB or LT specifically left before the talent drop off a team need at that position will pull the trigger. If it's a corner since the Patriots are in that market it's likely to be somebody who's got all the athletic ability in the world but they question his love of football, football intelligence, coachability, etc. That's always the hard part of being an armature. We don't get private workouts and interviews so there's no way to see it. Much easier to predict Jerry Jones falling in love with Dez Bryant freakish athletic talents.

I think a WR. Maybe, DGB if he slips. You have that 5th year of control to keep him in line.

Okay...I find the Minnesota connection compelling. So how about this: they take WR or LT at #11 and decide to trade into #32 for a CB that they imagine BB is probably going to draft for himself.

Conveniently they can offer #45 in return, which should be right on the value cusp of the 2nd round.

Viking Receive-
#32 Byron Jones, CB UConn
#101

Pats Receive-
#45
#76
#137 (to fill our gap in the 5th rnd)

rookBoston said:

Okay...I find the Minnesota connection compelling. So how about this: they take WR or LT at #11 and decide to trade into #32 for a CB that they imagine BB is probably going to draft for himself.

Conveniently they can offer #45 in return, which should be right on the value cusp of the 2nd round.

Viking Receive-
#32 Byron Jones, CB UConn
#101

Pats Receive-
#45
#76
#137 (to fill our gap in the 5th rnd)

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In this case Jones are still on the board, so you take him not the trade