How much is Chip Kelly trolling everyone? AKA Tebow signed with the Eagles

PatsWickedPissah said:

So you're denigrating TB's 1st 3 SBs because he had really good defenses?

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No as Brady could throw with repeated accuracy and has proven over time that he is the greatest QB that ever lived. Tebow on the other hand, cannot throw a football with repeated accuracy. That's fairly important for a player who makes his living throwing a football.

Tebow could succeed in the NFL as a H-Back or RB. The guy has the will to win. He simply doesn't have the passing skills to be a long-term, starting QB in the NFL.

Brady >>>>>> Tebow
But Tebow > many QBs in the NFL today

unless of course you don't value winners, the criticism of TB his 1st several years

PatsWickedPissah said:

Brady >>>>>> Tebow
But Tebow > many QBs in the NFL today

unless of course you don't value winners, the criticism of TB his 1st several years

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No. Tebow had a talented roster around him. Put him on the Jags of the past few seasons and he's a 3-4 win per season guy. When you complete passes at a 47.9% clip @PatsWickedPissah, you're not a good QB.

PatsWickedPissah said:

But Tebow > many QBs in the NFL today

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Are you sober tonight?

Tunescribe said:

Are you sober tonight?

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I'd take him over Geno Smith. 34 INTs in two years.

Lindley or whoever played a playoff game. Ugliest thing I've seen since Painter.

manxman2601 said:

I'd take him over Geno Smith. 34 INTs in two years.

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Fair caveat. Incompletions are better than interceptions.

ausbacker said:

Fair caveat. Incompletions are better than interceptions.

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Indeed. Tebow threw a lot of them into the dirt but relatively few into the hands of the opposition.

So, maybe it's the Eagles and not the Steelers on opening night.

Chip Kelly doesn't give a **** about the standards and talking heads around the league, I respect that.

Tebow certainly can play a unique and weird role as a QB that is NFL level, it's not like the league is surrounded by great pocket passers in every single franchise. Whatever gives you a shot to win some game on bad matchups it's valid.

Ross12 said:

Indeed. Tebow threw a lot of them into the dirt but relatively few into the hands of the opposition.

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FWIW, I always thought this was an underrated part of Tebow's game. He took very, very few negative plays. Sure, the completion percentage was low, but he threw very few picks, and he used his legs to turn negative plays into positive ones pretty frequently.

He's got a pretty strong arm, too. Always thought that the reason he wasn't in the NFL had more to do with everything that surrounds Tim rather than his actual talent.

I thought Kelly knew what he was doing when he demanded control of the personnel but now I wonder.

ausbacker said:

No. Tebow had a talented roster around him. Put him on the Jags of the past few seasons and he's a 3-4 win per season guy. When you complete passes at a 47.9% clip @PatsWickedPissah, you're not a good QB.

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That "talented roster" went 4-14 without Tebow starting, in the two seasons he was there, but was 8-6 with him as the starter. Try again.

Gator Mike said:

FWIW, I always thought this was an underrated part of Tebow's game. He took very, very few negative plays. Sure, the completion percentage was low, but he threw very few picks, and he used his legs to turn negative plays into positive ones pretty frequently.

He's got a pretty strong arm, too. Always thought that the reason he wasn't in the NFL had more to do with everything that surrounds Tim rather than his actual talent.

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Well, I would disagree with that line of thinking. I like Tebow. I like his physical tools and toughness. I spent an entire training camp and preseason watching his reps specifically. There are throws he CANNOT make with any kind of consistency from the pocket. The sideline left throws he consistently sails. You cannot trust him to make a back shoulder throw. The sideline right throws he's even worse on, with a scattergun effect for the most part. He DID progress throwing between the hash marks into a nice cone from 5 to 20 yards out. I thought THAT might help him stick with the Pats but BB thought otherwise. On the move, Tim is a proven playmaker. He'll hit some throws, make some nice runs for positive gains but still with no appreciative upgrade to either sideline than he does from the pocket.

He can help a team win in the NFL when you factor in everything tangible AND intangible he brings, IMO. Perhaps Kelly likes his intangibles enough to carry him a full season.

Joker said:

Well, I would disagree with that line of thinking. I like Tebow. I like his physical tools and toughness. I spent an entire training camp and preseason watching his reps specifically. There are throws he CANNOT make with any kind of consistency from the pocket. The sideline left throws he consistently sails. You cannot trust him to make a back shoulder throw. The sideline right throws he's even worse on, with a scattergun effect for the most part. He DID progress throwing between the hash marks into a nice cone from 5 to 20 yards out. I thought THAT might help him stick with the Pats but BB thought otherwise. On the move, Tim is a proven playmaker. He'll hit some throws, make some nice runs for positive gains but still with no appreciative upgrade to either sideline than he does from the pocket.

He can help a team win in the NFL when you factor in everything tangible AND intangible he brings, IMO. Perhaps Kelly likes his intangibles enough to carry him a full season.

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You're being much too kind, J. When the real bullets start flying every bit of NFL-caliber passing technique this guy has repped a million times in practice goes out the window -- winding up from his hip, not squaring his shoulders throwing on the run, etc., etc. Aside from some running ability, intangibles is all he has.

I want to see him play Special teams

Tunescribe said:

You're being much too kind, J. When the real bullets start flying every bit of NFL-caliber passing technique this guy has repped a million times in practice goes out the window -- winding up from his hip, not squaring his shoulders throwing on the run, etc., etc. Aside from some running ability, intangibles is all he has.

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He just took a year off and had a years worth of special coaching-development on his technique...it's the 90 man roster timeframe....it's NOT our team....

I am not really sure why anyone can be so sure that what WAS his ability ceiling currently IS his ability ceiling OR why folks should care so much.

Wish him well as an individual (less 1 game a year) and move on.

what we're talking about here is Philly....look, Kelly has gutted this team of vets. He's got a young group with little veteran presence. I mean, who in the world would ever look to Mark Sanchez as an example of hard work, dedication and good character in an NFL player? Kelly can carry Tebow and in the process get a guy who busts his butt everyday, has tremendous character and can lead by example. PLUS, he's a gigantic Star Trek type deflector shield, drawing the rabid press jackals to his locker every day.Any scrutiny he takes away from that young team has to be a plus this season in Kelly's eyes.

I love Kelley more and more with every move he makes. He's just like BB in that he knows the kinds of players he wants on his team and has a clear idea of how HE wants to build a team. He could very well end up being wrong but at least he has courage enough to do it his way.

Deus Irae said:

That "talented roster" went 4-14 without Tebow starting, in the two seasons he was there, but was 8-6 with him as the starter. Try again.

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2011
Demaryius Thomas 551 yards 4 TDs
Eric Decker 612 yards 8 TDs

2012
Demaryius Thomas 1434 yards 10 TDs
Eric Decker 1064 yards 13 TDs

Slight difference in production with a top 10 QB and non top 10 QB.

Try again Deus.