Aaron Hernandez found guilty of first-degree murder

crownontherocks said:

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...ts-star-first-degree-murder-conviction-041715

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I'm sure that's just a formality intended for every new inmate suddenly facing life behind bars.

supafly said:

Some very minor/basic research suggests that it costs anywhere between 350,000 dollars and up to 3m dollars to go through with the process of execution. Those numbers are for capital cases at the federal level of prosecution.

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I'd be more then happy to supply them with a bullet. Last time I checked a 5 blanks, 1 real bullet, and 6 rifles doesn't cost 350,000.

I've seen the whole "executions are really expensive" argument used a lot. and to that I'd say, If Aaron Hernandez could manage to put 9 bullets Cost effectively into Odin Lloyd, I'm sure we could manage to put Aaron down with just one.

No fancy drugs, no fancy science, no fancy doctors, no fancy machines. I'd estimate the cost of a firing squad execution after the initial cost of the 6 guns, to be somewhere in the range of $1500

350,000 for an execution? Just pump them full of enough opiates/other **** they pass out and overdoes...that doesn't cost 350,000...i think?

Brady_to_Moss said:

350,000 for an execution? Just pump them full of enough opiates/other **** they pass out and overdoes...that doesn't cost 350,000...i think?

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chasa said:

I'd be more then happy to supply them with a bullet. Last time I checked a 5 blanks, 1 real bullet, and 6 rifles doesn't cost 350,000.

I've seen the whole "executions are really expensive" argument used a lot. and to that I'd say, If Aaron Hernandez could manage to put 9 bullets Cost effectively into Odin Lloyd, I'm sure we could manage to put Aaron down with just one.

No fancy drugs, no fancy science, no fancy doctors, no fancy machines. I'd estimate the cost of a firing squad execution after the initial cost of the 6 guns, to be somewhere in the range of $1500

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The 350,000---3m dollar range is the cost of execution at the federal level (just to be specific).

This is the cost of everything throughout the entire process from step one to death. Just to clarify, we aren't talking about the 350,000---3m dollar range simply for execution alone. As we know, that cost is relatively low. It's everything that comes throughout the process beforehand.

Just a very brief google search brings up some of the reasoning behind it:

"The death penalty is much more expensive than life without parole because the Constitution requires a long and complex judicial process for capital cases. This process is needed in order to ensure that innocent men and woman are not executed for crimes they did not commit, and even with these protections the risk of executing an innocent person can not be completely eliminated.

If the death penalty was replaced with a sentence of Life Without the Possibility of Parole*, which costs millions less and also ensures that the public is protected while eliminating the risk of an irreversible mistake, the money saved could be spent on programs that actually improve the communities in which we live."

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Again, politics play a huge role in research and policy, so both sides of the debate will have their own opinion. The point of the statement is that there are many different verifiable sources out there who state that it costs MUCH more to execute than it does to house an inmate for 30-40 years.

Obviously, some death penalty cases will fall under the average rate of 1 million dollars for "lifers," (Life Without Parole 30 years x approx. 30,000 = 900,000) but many more surpass that rate by 2-3 times, which leads the general thinking to feel that it actually costs much more to execute.

Sorry for the long post. Just wanted to clarify. Here is an article from Forbes magazine in 2014 stating the same if you wish to scan through it: http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyph...g-the-death-penalty-your-tax-dollars-at-work/

The pundits are always great at hindsight, the Pats should have known is bullshyt.. a lot of these guys are "risky", but Hernandez seems to have fallen into a deep abyss...

OTOH hear sometimes that after his father died he went bonkers, do not see that at all.. many peoples parents die, that does not give them a reason to adopt a thug lifestyle.. his reason for doing what he did had everything to do with the belief that he was above the law and could get away with it.. a little PCP thrown in did not help..

A case I was involved with back in the 70's is Stephen Smith, who now sits on death row in Fla. for killing a correctional officer.. have captioned it below, it gives a pretty good synopsis of how difficult it is to implement the death penalty... Stephen has been waiting execution since 2006. I was subpoenaed in this case, but refused to testify as what he did, did not need any mitigation.

http://www.floridacapitalcases.state.fl.us/case_updates/Htm/189262.htm

Froob said:

Too bad for Hernandez that they didn't let Ted Wells investigate this one.

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He'd ended up serving life just waiting for the investigation to be completed.

By the way, regarding the death penalty stats discussed above, we should remember that "everybody knows they did it," or "hell they were convicted by a jury," has resulted in a lot of executions of the innocent. And you can't just change the whole process for a guy you like/hate (you're only allowed to do that by way of better lawyers, the influence of race, etc.) Hence the high price-tag of the death penalty.

Okay more importantly, here's Woody Johnson's argument for a complaint to the league: Kraft's testimony was key to the conviction. A conviction has cap implications. It was therefore a conflict of interest for Kraft to testify, which should cost him personally a fine of one million dollars (Dr. Evil face here,) and should cost the team two first round picks in successive drafts.

BTW read something yesterday he will be moved to Souza-Baranowski Prison, near Ft. Devens, rather than stay in Walpole.. apparently they use Walpole for reception and classification for these type of cases.. .

I was going through my twitter profile and noticed I was still following him. I clicked his profile and read through some of the tweets. I thought this was extremely ironic:

TBR said:

I was going through my twitter profile and noticed I was still following him. I clicked his profile and read through some of the tweets. I thought this was extremely ironic:

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Crazy stuff. One day before SB46.

chasa said:

I'd be more then happy to supply them with a bullet. Last time I checked a 5 blanks, 1 real bullet, and 6 rifles doesn't cost 350,000.

I've seen the whole "executions are really expensive" argument used a lot. and to that I'd say, If Aaron Hernandez could manage to put 9 bullets Cost effectively into Odin Lloyd, I'm sure we could manage to put Aaron down with just one.

No fancy drugs, no fancy science, no fancy doctors, no fancy machines. I'd estimate the cost of a firing squad execution after the initial cost of the 6 guns, to be somewhere in the range of $1500

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I bet that tough talk gets the ladies all worked up. Execution is a cowardly act. It is even more despicable when it is carried out by the government. Not to mention the hundreds that have been wrongfully convicted and executed or had their convictions overturned and been released from death row. Eye for an eye is a stone age ideology that has no place in modern society.

letekro said:

Execution is a cowardly act. It is even more despicable when it is carried out by the government. Not to mention the hundreds that have been wrongfully convicted and executed or had their convictions overturned and been released from death row. Eye for an eye is a stone age ideology that has no place in modern society.

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I think this is why we shouldn't bring raw emotion into any criminal justice or social based policy making.

@chasa has a fine enough idea (I don't personally agree with it, but that's irrelevant) to want to spend resources in a more effective manner by using execution to do so. This of course, is under the assumption that it costs more to house than it does to kill, which no longer seems to be true. I think we've also seen plenty of research state that execution isn't even much of a deterrent, either, which goes against the common thinking of most.

I agree with you that as a society, we should attempt to look into the future where 2 wrongs don't make a right. That said, I certainly respect anyone's opinion on such controversial matters.

letekro said:

I bet that tough talk gets the ladies all worked up. Execution is a cowardly act. It is even more despicable when it is carried out by the government. Not to mention the hundreds that have been wrongfully convicted and executed or had their convictions overturned and been released from death row. Eye for an eye is a stone age ideology that has no place in modern society.

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It has nothing to do with eye for an eye, and any sane person would see that. I'm sure you would be more then happy to go over and talk with groups like ISIS and Boko Haram and talk about their feelings, and explain to them that what they are doing is wrong and has no place in modern society. I'm sure that discussion will result in then realizing the error in their ways

In teh real world. the one I live in, and the one that you pretend is just a grim fairy tale story. Some people are broken beyond repair. But you don't care. you are the type of person that would rather try and cure foot cancer with holistic medicen, and later die, as opposed to just lopping off the foot and going on with your life.

Regarding the cost again, That horse and pony show needs to stop. endless appeals, no thanks. Give them one appeal that's it.

Froob said:

Too bad for Hernandez that they didn't let Ted Wells investigate this one.

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No kidding, Belichick and Brady got a more severe sentence than Hernandez. They were sentenced to life without the possibility of a report.

TBR said:

Look at these f*cking losers. Finding any way to attach the Patriots to this. Literally the scum of all media.

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TBR said:

ESPNNFL
On August 27, 2012, NE signed Hernandez to a 5 yr extension worth up to $40 million, & a $12.5 million signing bonus. http://t.co/HIy3bSgsST
2015-04-15, 11:55 AM


SportsCenter
Aaron Hernandez has been ordered to serve his life sentence in Walpole, MA... about 1.5 miles from Gillette Stadium, where Patriots play.
2015-04-15, 12:02 PM

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I do not really understand the issue, both of these things occurred. The Patriots were made to look stupid by Aaron Hernandez, and that is what it is, cause they cut him 2 hours after he was arrested for murder does not erase the fact that Hernandez killed 3 people and shot 2 others all while he was under contract with the New England Patriots.

Brady6 said:

Imagine how good he could have been if he was not chain-smoking weed, PCP, and thuggin in his free time? That is what is incredible to me is how well he performed while living his scumbag lifestyle and abusing his body.

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Not to mention he found time to learn the playbook. What was Ocho doing?