Aaron Hernandez found guilty of first-degree murder

Rob0729 · Apr 16, 2015

supafly said:
What a shame. That sounds terribly unethical, although the bar for reporters has been set so low recently.

You think a guy who was fired for plagiarizing someone one else in an article is going to be ethical now?

Brady_to_Moss · Apr 16, 2015

He will prob get a TV for his duration i am guessing..maybe he will get to see us win another one without him!

TeamFirst · Apr 16, 2015

Brady_to_Moss said:
He will prob get a TV for his duration i am guessing..maybe he will get to see us win another one without him!

I don't think they have cable in jail..Do they?

supafly · Apr 16, 2015

Rob0729 said:
You think a guy who was fired for plagiarizing someone one else in an article is going to be ethical now?

I totally understand your point, but I think there's a pretty big difference between plagiarizing someone else's work and bringing up the loss of another human being's life to further one's personal agenda against the coach. Both are unethical behaviors, but they are on opposite sides of the spectrum in my opinion.

I haven't read the article, but if it's anything like what you're saying, Borges may have sunk to an all time low.

supafly · Apr 16, 2015

TeamFirst said:
I don't think they have cable in jail..Do they?

Not only do they have cable (at all levels--county, state, and fed) but they often have their own TVs in the cells, at least in many of the longer term state/fed settings where the offender has already been sentenced (usually about 2+ years or more to qualify for "prison.")

I'm not sure about that specific institution though, as every state is different, but I know the local state prison SCI facility here in Pittsburgh has both cable and private TVs in cells. Of course, the inmate has to pay some type of cost from their commissary account for the private TV in the cell. I believe they sell them at a reduced cost, and are somewhat smaller/moderate in size.

The cable is everywhere, although you'd have to sit in the main room where they often need to either use a headphones system, and/or have the scrolling script on the screen. That's your hard earned tax dollars at work

Rob0729 · Apr 16, 2015

supafly said:
I totally understand your point, but I think there's a pretty big difference between plagiarizing someone else's work and bringing up the loss of another human being's life to further one's personal agenda against the coach. Both are unethical behaviors, but they are on opposite sides of the spectrum in my opinion.

I haven't read the article, but if it's anything like what you're saying, Borges may have sunk to an all time low.

He did a lot a backhanded swipes at the Patriots stating how even the Raiders who will take any scumbag took Hernandez off their draft board and how 11 other teams did the same. And then used the Light quote to say that the Pats knew he was trouble when they extended his contract and did it anyway.

Of course, the other teams stuff was stolen from Michael Holley who said there were 8 teams, not 12 and the reason they took Hernandez off their board was not because of Hernandez, but because he had a lot of shady hangers on who they feared would be a bad influence on Hernandez and potentially cause problems for him that the team didn't need.

But if you read the Rolling Stone article on Hernandez (where he got a contributor credit), there was a lot of the same swipes at Belichick (basically calling him power hungry and arrogant) that clearly were Borges' words (most notably the line "He [Belichick]signed so many players bearing red flags they could have marched in Moscow’s May Day parade" that is a favorite catchphrase from Borges).

Borges is the same guy who in 2004 got in a fist fight with a guy who was 65 (Borges was in his early 50s at the time), walked with a cane and wore a neck brace. How can you put anything past Borges? The guy is a scumbag.

Brit patriot · Apr 16, 2015

It may sound glib, but I have to say, no matter how hard Aaron wants to look in court, knowing you are spending the next 60 years in prison (big strong lad, he will get old in there I think) must really suck ass.

One friend did say to me, he may not be a sociopath. He may well have got wired and blown away the two lads in Boston. Then, realising he was in trouble if Lloyd blabbed, he had nothing to lose so he may as well do him; three murders is as good as two.

Interesting, but I think I disagree. He seemed to chilled out when he got back. That is one unfeeling bastard

NormZauchin · Apr 16, 2015

supafly said:
Not only do they have cable (at all levels--county, state, and fed) but they often have their own TVs in the cells, at least in many of the longer term state/fed settings where the offender has already been sentenced (usually about 2+ years or more to qualify for "prison.")

I'm not sure about that specific institution though, as every state is different, but I know the local state prison SCI facility here in Pittsburgh has both cable and private TVs in cells. Of course, the inmate has to pay some type of cost from their commissary account for the private TV in the cell. I believe they sell them at a reduced cost, and are somewhat smaller/moderate in size.

The cable is everywhere, although you'd have to sit in the main room where they often need to either use a headphones system, and/or have the scrolling script on the screen. That's your hard earned tax dollars at work

Allowing continuous TV watching may be unconstitutional, under the cruel and unusual punishment clause. After 10, 20, 30 years, their minds will have totally turned to mush.

supafly · Apr 16, 2015

Rob0729 said:
He did a lot a backhanded swipes at the Patriots stating how even the Raiders who will take any scumbag took Hernandez off their draft board and how 11 other teams did the same. And then used the Light quote to say that the Pats knew he was trouble when they extended his contract and did it anyway.

Of course, the other teams stuff was stolen from Michael Holley who said there were 8 teams, not 12 and the reason they took Hernandez off their board was not because of Hernandez, but because he had a lot of shady hangers on who they feared would be a bad influence on Hernandez and potentially cause problems for him that the team didn't need.

Since we're on the subject, I came across this while reading "War Room" today:

(speaking on Thomas Dimitroff)

"Dimitroff laughs at a time, not so long ago, when some NFL scouts and evaluators would mark a player down on character because of multiple tattoos. He remembers presumptuous conversations about gang activity, based primarily on tattoos and where a player grew up."

I had to do a double-take, because it was so obvious who he was referring to, and yet there's one more insinuation from a GM that he'd have taken him as well.

Rob0729 · Apr 16, 2015

supafly said:
Since we're on the subject, I came across this while reading "War Room" today:

(speaking on Thomas Dimitroff)

"Dimitroff laughs at a time, not so long ago, when some NFL scouts and evaluators would mark a player down on character because of multiple tattoos. He remembers presumptuous conversations about gang activity, based primarily on tattoos and where a player grew up."

I had to do a double-take, because it was so obvious who he was referring to, and yet there's one more insinuation from a GM that he'd have taken him as well.

Well the thing is that almost every team has taken a guy who had as many or more question marks as Hernandez had coming out of college. Some have taken then high in the first round (see Lawrence Phillips).

I think when a lot of teams claimed after Hernandez was arrested that they took Hernandez off their board are just piling on. Because many of them took players with just as much character problems. Hell, many of the guys who were part of Hernandez's posse down in Florida are still in the NFL and have gotten into their own legal problems for violence (see the Pouncey brothers).

Brady_to_Moss · Apr 16, 2015

TeamFirst said:
I don't think they have cable in jail..Do they? View attachment 9114

They each SHOULD have their own TV...even super max prisons have TVs. So maybe we will catch a few games

Seacoast Fan · Apr 16, 2015

PatsWickedPissah said:
LOL at too many here who said he'd get off.
It was a rare slam dunk.
Too many folks watch too much TV. People are convicted on far less actual evidence than the mountain of evidence surrounding the serial killer.
Almost every conviction is based on "circumstantial" evidence, not witnesses.

Circumstantial evidence actually gets a bad rap, no pun intended. Just because it is circumstantial, does not mean it is not totally reliable. And in fact, study after study has proven that eyewitness testimony can be extremely unreliable. I did not follow the trial very closely, but it did seem like there was a mountain of circumstantial evidence, as you said, and in many cases that is enough.

supafly · Apr 16, 2015

TBR said:
I'm a bit surprised he got life in prison with NO chance for parole whatsoever. That seems warranted only if the amount of evidence is very overwhelming and clear...

That's what murder one calls for. There's no question of sentencing. He's just lucky that the state of Mass. isn't a death penalty state.

supafly · Apr 16, 2015

Ross12 said:
@BrandonSpikes51: IM CONFUSED ABOUT THE JUSTICE SYSTEM THESE DAYS !!!

I don't have any problem with his opinion that Hernandez could've been found innocent (I share it myself), but all-caps about his 'confusion re: the justice system' is what does it for me.

This should solidify the conversations that we've had on here that Spikes is about the closest thing to a moron that can possibly exist.

NormZauchin · Apr 16, 2015

supafly said:
That's what murder one calls for. There's no question of sentencing. He's just lucky that the state of Mass. isn't a death penalty state.[/QUOTE

Yes, down here in Virginia, where I live, he might be facing the death penalty with the first conviction. If he is found guilty of the two earlier murders, he would definitely have a cell on death row, but it still might have TV.

Uncle Rico · Apr 16, 2015

Seacoast Fan said:
Circumstantial evidence actually gets a bad rap, no pun intended. Just because it is circumstantial, does not mean it is not totally reliable. And in fact, study after study has proven that eyewitness testimony can be extremely unreliable. I did not follow the trial very closely, but it did seem like there was a mountain of circumstantial evidence, as you said, and in many cases that is enough.

I actually just wrapped up jury duty today and the Judge very clearly said that circumstantial evidence Should be given the same weight as physical evidence as long as it passes the same test of reasonableness.

supafly · Apr 16, 2015

PatsWickedPissah said:
People are convicted on far less actual evidence than the mountain of evidence surrounding the serial killer.
Almost every conviction is based on "circumstantial" evidence, not witnesses.

The fact that it was circumstantial evidence isn't what should've mattered to people, although I agree with you that many incorrectly felt that meant 'weak.' You make a great point about that.

The fact that the state only had 1/3 of: motive, weapon, and body, is what led many who are well educated and work in the field to feel that way. I respectfully disagree that it was a "slam dunk." I think the next case is a slam dunk, but this one could've ended up in the other direction. Yes, they certainly could've swayed one person. Just my opinion, of course.

supafly · Apr 16, 2015

The Brandon Five said:
Almost makes me glad they didn't win SB 46 on a TD by that severely messed up dude.

Okay, now you're pushing it

Joker · Apr 16, 2015

can't believe the naivete mixed with desire for biblical punishment on a1ll these Hernandez threads.

Newsflash...LIFE in prison with no chance of parole is NO JOKE. You're over. No more passing go.

Now you holier than thou opinionators want that inmate to serve his life out essentially just sitting there.

It seems NONE of you have any idea what it's like to be confined. There is a level of ultra severe frustration experienced by the inmate. What YOU want is absolutely no outlets whatever for that frustration. This is inane and underscores a complete lack of understanding what corrections really is.

You have dedicated people, men and women WORKING every day of their work lives in these institutions. These people put themselves on the line every day they walk into an institution. You want them to walk into their workplace with the people they are charged with overseeing every facet of their prison lives having essentially no other outlet than the EMPLOYEES to vent this pentup frustration on.

TV is an essential tool for correctional officers and professionals. Anything that keeps the inmate engaged in their prison lives and their minds off focusing frustration is a GOOD THING for the correctional workers.Inmate industries is a GOOD thing. Physical outlets such as ball fields, handball courts, gyms, tracks and weights is a GOOD thing for the correctional officer DOING HIS JOB EVERYDAY IN HELL.

No one ever asks the poor slob shouldering the responsibility for keeping these vicious, antisocial misanthropes incarcerated how THEY feel about it. It's always "take away their weights, they're too big...we want SKINNY STARVING inmate populations!!!"..and then ,when this idiotic agenda is enforced, what happens? Ask the hack...he/she will tell you. Weights are a tremendous corrections tool. They RELIEVE pent up stress. This PROTECTS the correctional officers not threatens. Television options are ESSENTIAL. If the inmate's mind is occupied with the electronic world, there is less chance that he'll occupy his thoughts with negative ideas in the real world of incarceration. Give them periodicals, newspaper and library options. This gives the inmate a feeling of connection with the outside world even though this is NOT the case.

In effect, what any of you ALL want is a more docile, safer prison environment for those who WORK there, yet you want to take away all the tools the PROMOTE this safety to assuage your need for blind, draconian retribution. Easy for the uniformed, uninvolved masses to scream for vengeance when they never have to walk a foot in the correctional officer's shoes.

RayClay · Apr 17, 2015

Joker said:
can't believe the naivete mixed with desire for biblical punishment on a1ll these Hernandez threads.

Newsflash...LIFE in prison with no chance of parole is NO JOKE. You're over. No more passing go.

Now you holier than thou opinionators want that inmate to serve his life out essentially just sitting there.

It seems NONE of you have any idea what it's like to be confined. There is a level of ultra severe frustration experienced by the inmate. What YOU want is absolutely no outlets whatever for that frustration. This is inane and underscores a complete lack of understanding what corrections really is.

You have dedicated people, men and women WORKING every day of their work lives in these institutions. These people put themselves on the line every day they walk into an institution. You want them to walk into their workplace with the people they are charged with overseeing every facet of their prison lives having essentially no other outlet than the EMPLOYEES to vent this pentup frustration on.

TV is an essential tool for correctional officers and professionals. Anything that keeps the inmate engaged in their prison lives and their minds off focusing frustration is a GOOD THING for the correctional workers.Inmate industries is a GOOD thing. Physical outlets such as ball fields, handball courts, gyms, tracks and weights is a GOOD thing for the correctional officer DOING HIS JOB EVERYDAY IN HELL.

No one ever asks the poor slob shouldering the responsibility for keeping these vicious, antisocial misanthropes incarcerated how THEY feel about it. It's always "take away their weights, they're too big...we want SKINNY STARVING inmate populations!!!"..and then ,when this idiotic agenda is enforced, what happens? Ask the hack...he/she will tell you. Weights are a tremendous corrections tool. They RELIEVE pent up stress. This PROTECTS the correctional officers not threatens. Television options are ESSENTIAL. If the inmate's mind is occupied with the electronic world, there is less chance that he'll occupy his thoughts with negative ideas in the real world of incarceration. Give them periodicals, newspaper and library options. This gives the inmate a feeling of connection with the outside world even though this is NOT the case.

In effect, what any of you ALL want is a more docile, safer prison environment for those who WORK there, yet you want to take away all the tools the PROMOTE this safety to assuage your need for blind, draconian retribution. Easy for the uniformed, uninvolved masses to scream for vengeance when they never have to walk a foot in the correctional officer's shoes.

Joker, what do you think of my plan for violent prisoners? No weightlifting facilities at all, but all the soda, twinkies and other garbage food they want and plenty of TV. Make them big fat cream puffs with no anger or energy left.

I'd let them smoke non filter cigarettes too.

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