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Ken Canin

Hi Ken, are you a lawyer yourself?
We all look at the world thru the filter of our own professions. My brother’s a cop, and everything is “cops vs. robbers vs. civilians (aka, sheep)”.
Other family members are medical, & look primarily at the medical aspects of everything.
I’m a mechanical engineer, and look first at the engineering aspects of things.

I gotta tell ya that I, and the vast majority of competent, experienced engineers & scientists, look with GREAT amusement when lawyers, politicians, religious leaders (or followers) & courts THINK that they have the power to determine reality by legislation, a court judgment or passing some rule.
This is the heart of the problem and, as a lawyer, I deal with it all the time in that corrupt cesspool masquerading as a court system in NY. You can never go broke underestimating how "result orientated" they are and the extent to which they will disregard the law, disregard the facts, (and/or are simply bought off) to achieve those ends.
I just spent thousands of dollar appealing a Brooklyn court ruling that literally held that where someone went to school was not a matter of fact, but a matter of opinion. And the appellate court affirmed it!
Well's firm comes from this kind of environment.
 
PFPB got to Peter King and made him understand and he also contacted a professor at Columbia who made a mistake in a newspaper article and educated him. I don't see anyone getting this wrong when given time and their reputation being on the line. Screw this up as an academic actually assigned this work and you are a laughingstock for the rest of your life.

Sorry, I'm fairly new here. "PFPB"?

We'll have to disagree about consequences to academics' careers. I've seen far too many brain-dead comments & idiotic lame studies coming out of academia to believe that there are any significant negative consequences. :cool:

You've cited one Columbia prof who made just such a mistake. Any indication of loss of stature, tenure, citation ranking, etc.?
 
Sorry, I'm fairly new here. "PFPB"?

We'll have to disagree about consequences to academics' careers. I've seen far too many brain-dead comments & idiotic lame studies coming out of academia to believe that there are any significant negative consequences. :cool:

You've cited one Columbia prof who made just such a mistake. Any indication of loss of stature, tenure, citation ranking, etc.?

"PFPB" = Pats Fan from Palm Beach (a poster here) who had his question/comments listed on Peter King's MMQB site, in regards to great points about a potential Patriots exoneration.

As far as the Columbia professor who made the mistake, I would highly doubt that he'd have any kind of negative consequence from making an error. After all, he's likely locked in very well with such a highly respected position. I'd be surprised if anyone has any evidence to the contrary as you never know, but just because his opinion could be proven incorrect doesn't mean that he's necessarily wrong; and even if he were, I don't see what kind of sanctions he'd be facing. He may get snickered at by some other peers from time to time, however.

After all, just local to the Boston area, we had Boston University and Boston College professors having different opinions. Both of them could be considered appropriate. After all, there's really no way to prove either theories incorrect--although errors have been pointed out by various experts in both instances, due to how they ran the numbers. I would think that this would be quite common. In the case of one of them, (sorry, can't remember which one) the professor simply laughed it off and amended his article to include a note to the students suggesting "now why can't some of YOU come up with rebuttals like that?"
 
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As far as the Columbia professor who made the mistake, I would highly doubt that he'd have any kind of negative consequence from making an error. "

He like others forgot to factor in Absolute Pressure 14.7 in his very quick response he gave on the phone. This is the mistake 99% of the armchair and TV scientists were making. This is what PFPB got through to King and the Columbia guy.
 
As far as the Columbia professor who made the mistake, I would highly doubt that he'd have any kind of negative consequence from making an error. After all, he's likely locked in very well with such a highly respected position.

Yeah I think we're talking about the guy who is the II Rabi Professor of Physics at Columbia. Pretty sure he's not going to sweat it too much.
 
Sadly, not only were most of my predictions correct, but in fact the report was even more damaging than I expected.

I predicted the innuendo, the dubious physics research, the use of hired-gun experts, the taking statements out of context, the ridiculous statements that employees invariably feel obligated to set down in writing for the benefit of future opposing counsel, the anti-Pats conclusion, and the glee with which most of the press has reacted to the report.

What I did not predict was just how damaging the damaging statements were, to say the least. I expected less relevant and more equivocal statements. They found actual evidence, which surprised me and which I definitely did not predict.

Well, obviously if one actually reads carefully the report, one sees that its logic is dubious in some places. How is it suspicious that Brady contacted the locker room after deflategate was announced? That he doesn't know the full name of every part-time employee of the company? That he doesn't want to give up his cell phone to an organization that leaked just about everything involved?

The science likewise. How can you take a bunch of dimly remembered unrecorded recollections about PSI, recorded with gauges that differ by a .45 PSI already, assume that the balls were not wet because the referees remembered they were "moist not wet", predict PSI drop without knowing the initial temperatures of the balls, and come to a firm conclusion? You can't really. But you can just list a bunch of scenarios that would or would not account for any perceived drop and conclusorily decide one is more plausible. It's not science per se, but it's persuasive.



I'm pessimistic about the outcome of this report, for several reasons.

- Having had considerable physics training, it is obvious to me that there is no evidence of impropriety by the Patriots whatsoever. Despite that, much of the media took the allegations seriously, some scientists took them seriously - even Belichick seemed to take them seriously. Even some people on this board have said "everyone does it" as if the Patriots did something, rather than "nothing happened". That demonstrates that these allegations have a kind of stickiness to them that is hard to wash off.

- The fact that so many exaggerated and damaging leaks were released just before the Super Bowl demonstrates that the NFL is biased against the Pats: not only were the leakers of the false information obviously biased, but the belated and insipid corrections the NFL eventually released demonstrate pervasive institutional bias. This is a problem because the law firm doing the investigating was hired by the NFL.

- The fact the media put so much credence in the word of anonymous source in implausible anti-Patriots schemes shows the media is mainly biased against the Pats. Also a problem, because it means that the law firm's PR will be better if it releases an anti-Pats report.

- This investigation is probably becoming more wide-ranging than just the balls. These kind of investigations led by law firms have a way of eventually encompassing everything, especially when the firm is paid hourly. The play given to that absurd story about the Patriots person giving a ball to an official illustrates this.

- Here I'm going to say something that will only sound believable to those of you with experience in litigation: it is virtually impossible to plow through an entire organization's emails and records and not find something suspicious. Organizations, even sophisticated businesses, are made up of many employees, and there is no way, there is no chance, that at least one of them did not email something that would look bad excerpted on the front page of the Times.

You see, in litigation, the first thing one side does is try and get every possible record from the other side (called "discovery"). There's *always* something. If there's not, there's always something that can be taken a bit out of context and spun to be something. It's just how people are, particularly people without experience in this. As long as the law firm doing the investigating is able to get all of the Pats records and emails - and because of the bad publicity that would go along with a claim that the Pats are "not cooperating", they well might - there is very little chance that the firm won't be able to find something damaging to quote.

And that's true for sophisticated organizations that are used to being sued, are used to discovery: financial firms, software giants, police departments, movie studios. A sports team that is made up of people who are chosen for their expertise in football, not in composing bland emails, just isn't likely not to have something someone wrote that is either damaging or can be spun to be damaging.

- The fact that this very simple investigation, one that should take about half-a-day with a high school physics book, is taking so long, strongly suggests to me that the firm is on a fishing expedition against the Pats. And since the media and the NFL both hate the Pats with a passion, there is no reason for the expedition not to continue until something is found, and something always will be.
 


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