Seriously...why is it taking so long?

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Well Felger and Mazz have again weighed in on the Wells report and it should be of no surprise that they believe that the report will be damaging to the Patriots. No surprise since Felger has always believed that the Pats knowingly tampered with the balls, even in the face of all evidence to the contrary. What concerns me is that they were extensively referencing the Curran article and while they put words in his mouth I feel like they did make some concerning points about how the league will find something and f**k us. Of course I'm sure they are looking forward to it but I digress. For the first time in a while I am getting worried that we are going to get screwed. Not because we actually did anything wrong but because of unfair bias against us. For a couple months now it's been a pretty optimistic outlook on how the Wells report was seemingly going and how it seemed that the investigation was taking so long because the league or the Colts were a major focus. But now if Curran's fears are right (and they might be) the NFL might have spent the past 3 months pouring over every single internal detail of the Patriots and after 80 days they finally found some BS discrepancy in something to nail us.

Ivan any chance you can cheer me up?

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Those two morons are wrong more than they're right, I would be more concerned if I was in agreement with them. Right off the bat Felger branded them as guilty and of course Mazz says "you're right Mike" so if it comes out that the Pats didn't do anything it sinks their material for a week. Whatever causes the most ruckus and ratings is what those two hope for.
BTW, Felger thought the fans that didn't want to trade Mookie Betts for Cole Hamels were idiots, his rational was a year ago you'd do that trade in a second. Duh! Felger, Mookie wasnt at the level he is today a year ago. Mookie's gonna make Felger look like a moron again and so will the Wells report.

I have no idea whatsoever what the last post was talking about

PatsWickedPissah said:

I have no idea whatsoever what the last post was talking about

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I probably should have stayed away from the baseball reference but the main point is Felger is wrong quite often.

I'm just wondering why the tide seems to turning a bit against the Patriots over the past few days. We've gone 2 whole months with everything seemingly going our way but now people are being down on us again. Who is telling who what? Is Curran just saying how he feels or does he have an insider who has a feeling on where this is headed? Same with Reiss? I don't like it.

Ken Canin said:

I don't see the relevance of Rodgers admissions. There is no reason to think the Pats manipulated the balls improperly in any way. An argument that others do or have done seems to admit that the Pats did something too, which they didn't.

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Unfortunately, the relevance of Aaron Rodgers' admission to overinflating balls is on the same level of Bill Cowher and Jimmy Johnson's admissions that they filmed defensive signals on tape. In other words, it has nothing whatsoever to do with the current Patriots related investigation, and very few outside of the N.England area actually give a damn. Aaron Rodgers is not the one on trial here.

It's a sad and unpopular statement, but it's true. This is about Ted Wells and the investigation brought upon the N.England Patriots.

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I'm just wondering why the tide seems to turning a bit against the Patriots over the past few days. We've gone 2 whole months with everything seemingly going our way but now people are being down on us again. Who is telling who what? Is Curran just saying how he feels or does he have an insider who has a feeling on where this is headed? Same with Reiss? I don't like it.

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Reiss has had a bad vibe since day one. This is nothing new in the matter of deflategate. As a matter of fact, he actually had a pretty damning article way back in the beginning where he began to side with the general population against the team. It pissed a lot of people off. To take it one step further, he reported 3 weeks ago from the owner's meetings that he felt that we'd get hit with a fine for equipment violations at the very least. That isn't anything new in the past few days.

As far as Curran's article goes, it seemed to be much more of a recap of the event (with links to other stories) as well as certain questions that Wells needs to address. I didn't necessarily get the feeling that he was coming down on the Pats--simply stating what was on the line and the issue at hand. I hate to even type the following, but there are still some issues that the public isn't going to just allow to go away. We all know that there are at least 2-3 fairly strong issues that the league is attempting to rip apart, which includes the ball guy's decision to use the locked restroom on his way to the field, etc. I've felt that they won't stop until they get something, which is total ********.

Dr Pain said:

This is why we have to pound home on twitter etc... That Aaron Rodgers admitted he sends in balls over the PSI limits so they get through the reffs. A key is the Colts saying they suspected from November. Well that game was in Indy so all the Colts could have done is measure the balls the Patriots gave the reffs because for the entire game, the Patriots game balls would have been controlled by Indy on the Indy sideline. I am sure they will say the seemed soft to them (didnt measure) but from what we have learned, the chain of custody would have been Patriots-Reffs-Indy staff and sideline.

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The handling of the following issues are going to be key here, as this is what is on the table for both sides:




THEM---"Others" who are possibly on the hook

--the improper chain of custody aspect

--the introduction of an unapproved ball by a former league employee/alternate league official who has now been fired

--the handling of the issue at hand from the Colts, (possibly) Ravens, Grigson, Kensil, Goodell, head-ref Walt Anderson, etc, etc, etc throughout the week

--was it a sting or not? Failed sting? "wanna-be" sting? Is there any relevance to the previous game in Nov. which occurred @IND? Were certain people with possible agendas like Grigson or Kensil involved ahead of time, and if so, to what extent? These are key issues

--measurement of PSI. Who did it? Refs? Kensil? Was it consistent with other methods? Is it valid?



US---includes the Patriots organization

--the unfortunate 10-15 minute time frame where the ball attendant either chose or was forced by sheer nature, into using the locked and unattended restroom. This has really been the biggest red flag alarm that the NFL is having a difficult time ignoring in my opinion. When combined with the fact that the balls supposedly lost air, it provides opportunity, and is hard to simply "look past" as coincidence, although it very well may be just that

--which leads us to the obvious fact that the NFL has confirmed, which is that the balls were somehow measured by the refs or someone else, and came in underinflated. As fans, we point to nature/science etc. As the opposing rest of the world, it looks very odd and possibly too strange for mere coincidence

--the past reputation of the organization through rumor, punishment, or otherwise--which isn't exactly stellar. Obviously, this shouldn't come into play, but it likely does (which is total ********, once again). The truth is probably that if cameragate had not previously occurred, we wouldn't even be this far with deflategate. As a matter of fact, I can practically guarantee it. In the minds of many, the Patriots' past reputation justifies a major investigation

--the reports that the Colts' balls never lost air. Is this true? How were they measured? Time and temperate are extremely important, as is the potential of a previous "leak" of concern, which may have allowed IND to overinflate their footballs

--the recent Curran tidbit that suggests that not only were the Pats' balls underinflated at the half, but then once re-inflated at halftime, somehow remained properly inflated for the rest of the second half. Where were the balls filled? What was the temperature prior to, during re-inflation, and post game? Certainly all important issues to ponder

PatsWickedPissah said:

I'm not looking for an apology from the league who made no official disparaging statements but the league criticizing the media for jumping to unwarranted, un-factual conclusions would be great.

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Those conclusions were all based on leaks, false leaks at that, from someone or from many people who work for the NFL. If they are not identified, ridiculed, and fired then this investigation is a farce.

supafly said:

US---includes the Patriots organization

--the unfortunate 10-15 minute time frame where the ball attendant either chose or was forced by sheer nature, into using the locked and unattended restroom. This has really been the biggest red flag alarm that the NFL is having a difficult time ignoring in my opinion. When combined with the fact that the balls supposedly lost air, it provides opportunity, and is hard to simply "look past" as coincidence, although it very well may be just that

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It was 90 seconds, not 10-15 minutes. And show us any link at all that it was locked. You have maintained that consistently with nothing to support it, and according to Michal Holley, who has actually used that restroom, it is a public restroom used by players and others involved with the game.

supafly said:

Reiss has had a bad vibe since day one. This is nothing new in the matter of deflategate. As a matter of fact, he actually had a pretty damning article way back in the beginning where he began to side with the general population against the team. It pissed a lot of people off.

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It only "pissed off" people who had completely lost any sense of perspective. The "damning article" said that the Patriots should be punished if they intentionally tampered with the balls and that judgement needed to be withheld because there was no actual information out there.

The horror! How dare Reiss publish such an incendiary, witch-hunting article!

The initial headline on the article (which Reiss does not control) was admittedly more inflammatory and in one of his weekly chats Reiss was pretty clear he was not happy about that headline.

Our long wait may be over.
AH convicted of murder one is the perfect window of opportunity for Goodell to pile on with the Deflategate release.

Ivan said:

It was 90 seconds, not 10-15 minutes. And show us any link at all that it was locked. You have maintained that consistently with nothing to support it, and according to Michal Holley, who has actually used that restroom, it is a public restroom used by players and others involved with the game.

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Yeah. There was a 10-15 minute period between his collecting the balls from the officials to when they were delivered to the sideline that he might be confusing, but they have video of all but the 90 seconds he was in the bathroom.

rochrist said:

Yeah. There was a 10-15 minute period between his collecting the balls from the officials to when they were delivered to the sideline that he might be confusing, but they have video of all but the 90 seconds he was in the bathroom.

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If I am not mistaken that 90 second piss break was the only time the game balls were out if sight.

Ivan said:

If I am not mistaken that 90 second piss break was the only time the game balls were out if sight.

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So you are saying the Patriots ball boy took the balls into the john and let something out?

Ivan said:

If I am not mistaken that 90 second piss break was the only time the game balls were out if sight.

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That what I said?

rochrist said:

That what I said?

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And you are right.

SaCaCh said:

by friday I betcha

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which friday is that now?

Wells should write a book - How to Justify Your Bill to Clients. I'd buy it.

Gotta be at least past the halfway point now, right?

This has been stated by others before, but I need to start emphasizing it more in my posts.

It is crucial to know where & at what temperature the Colts balls were stored prior to their inspection. And where & when they were pressurized by the Colts' ball boys in preparation for the ref's inspection.

It is also crucial that somebody ask Andrew Luck the pressure to which he likes his footballs inflated.

I've looked & have been unable to find out this number. Does anyone have any info on any of the above?

It'd be astonishingly incompetent if NONE of those alleged reporters have bothered to retrieve this piece of info.

For example, if the Colts balls were stored in the luggage compartment of their bus for 4-5 hours (i.e., cold) & then brought into the refs' locker room 10 to 60 minutes prior to inspection, then 90% of the air inside would have been cold air. In this case, the Colts' balls WOULD have read only about 0.2 - 0.4 psi below the pressure to which they were set, due exclusively to the fact that they got wet during use.

This becomes a completely viable scenario by which the Colts' balls met the pressure requirements and the Pats balls did not.

Ivan said:

It was 90 seconds, not 10-15 minutes. And show us any link at all that it was locked. You have maintained that consistently with nothing to support it, and according to Michal Holley, who has actually used that restroom, it is a public restroom used by players and others involved with the game.

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I'm not talking about the 90-100 seconds in the bathroom. C'mon, dude....

Walking with the balls was his sole, primary purpose, and the use of the restroom occurred within a very small 10-15 minute window (maybe even less) where he was in charge of the balls and had to take them onto the field. It probably was much less than the 10-15 minute window I stated. I'm just trying to give him the benefit of the doubt.

That, combined with the fact that the balls somehow wound up underinflated (or suddenly lost air) is exactly what the concern of the league is. It provides opportunity, and it is a coincidence that the league isn't going to just overlook--hence the investigation.

We all feel that the team is innocent, so that goes without saying. This isn't about someone's worthless opinion (mine), it's about pointing out why the league is concerned in the first place.