Comforting tweet from Sharks of Vegas

FWIW, Reiss feels the primary focus remains on NE. From an exchange of tweets I had with him he seems to be basing his "sense" on stuff he's heard from people, but people whose validity or closeness to the situation he has questions about.

So I'd say more than a gut feeling or supposition but less than hearing it from a known-to-be-reliable source.

I'm not "comforted" by Sharks of Vegas. It was sort of comforting for like two or three days in January.

Dr Pain said:

I haven't studied their tweets but don't ever recall them stating they had an inside source. Honestly I think any of us could say I heard, read, was told pretty much anything based on this group

And it is nice they have 106k followers. Getting the message out that things are not as they seem has value. I only have 7 followers

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The original post was removed for some reason. Don't know why, from boston.com

It essentially just stated that no one from the Patriots was involved in this.

upstater1 said:

The original post was removed for some reason. Don't know why, from boston.com

It essentially just stated that no one from the Patriots was involved in this.

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From Jan 21st, before Shefter's comment, before the tweets and the Brady conference

Kdo5 said:

I'm not "comforted" by Sharks of Vegas. It was sort of comforting for like two or three days in January.

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The advantage of what they are doing is making some off the idiot media guys have to prepare for a report which finds nothing on the Patriots, says science explains the PSI drop and that the NFL botched a bunch of things and the Colts and Ravens have the Patriots so far in their heads they blamed them for a lunar eclipse. You already see them backtracking as Kravits did in his sort of apology. http://www.wthr.com/story/28071580/kravitz-a-sort-of-mea-culpa-on-deflategate

Funny thing about the Kravitz story is they updated it and magically all the comments went away.

BradyManny said:

One of the other pieces of pertinent information is that the Patriots filled them up on the sidelines before the start of the 2nd half. If true, it would be no wonder why the balls stayed at legal PSI, T1 would equal T2.

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Good point, I guess that comment from Curran doesn't line up with the stated facts. For that to be true, they would have had to segregate those balls and introduced new balls into play (we've been told they were re-inflated by Kensil). But his comment about psi rising after the game might leave open the possibility that the re-inflated balls rose above league spec later on as well. If they were out to get the Patriots, it would make sense to measure those balls again after the game to see if someway-somehow (even while balls in control of ball boys) they were altering balls mid-game. But my main point in all this is that they would have been put on notice that pressure fluctuates that very day without needing experiments from Head-smart labs to tell them. Unless they just stood there perplexed at the "witchcraft" of it all (and again, if that subsequent measurement even happened). And my other main point was that I never heard anyone mention a measurement taken after the game.

Dr Pain said:

I torture Doyle and Kravitz on twitter about this every once and a while too. Small payback when I have a slow day Those two have been too busy with their years long investigation of the Suck for Luck campaign to talk Deflategate though.

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For the record, letting everyone else know that might have missed it, Kravitz actively trolled Patriot fans during the early part of this story. He doesn't get to do that and later hide behind the "I was just reporting the news" excuse like he's been trying to.

BradyManny said:

OK, so someone has:

- not been right about anything that a media outlet didn't report first
- been wrong about the one thing that a media outlet didn't report first

Why would you believe this person's further speculation anymore than any other person on Twitter or patsfans or wherever? You should demand more from so-called inside sources. They should be treated with great skepticism, especially when they exhibit the behavior of someone like SoV (quick "inside scoop" posts right after another media member broke something.)

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I have said a number of times that I don't know whether they have a source or not but that no one has shown where they were wrong, other than the length of the investigation which is perfectly understandable given that the league office was wrong about the same thing and they were ones who started that. Troy Vincent said the investigation would be done in " a few days " so anyone with inside sources would have believed the same thing.

BradyManny said:

That has nothing to do with whether SoV had accurate information or not. SoV didn't just say it would be wrapped up in a few days, they said an announcement of no punishment would come over the weekend. That hypothesis proved false.

We're going out of our way to try and justify SoV's mistakes because we all want them to be right.

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What mistakes? They said the investigation would be over in a few days and so did Troy Vincent, are you saying he had no information as well?

What else were they wrong about?

Dr Pain said:

I torture Doyle and Kravitz on twitter about this every once and a while too. Small payback when I have a slow day Those two have been too busy with their years long investigation of the Suck for Luck campaign to talk Deflategate though.

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The SUCK FOR LUCK investigation should be far more important. Worst crime against the integrity of the game in league history.

BradyManny said:

That has nothing to do with whether SoV had accurate information or not. SoV didn't just say it would be wrapped up in a few days, they said an announcement of no punishment would come over the weekend. That hypothesis proved false.

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That has everything to do with it. If there source was in the league office and league officials believed it would be over that week it's completely consistent. And SOV said the investigation would be over that week, not that no punishment would be handed down that weekend, you are conflating the posts.

I will say it again, I don't know either SOV is piggybacking or whether they have some inside knowledge but so far they have not been wrong other than to say the investigation would be done that week when the league was on record saying the same thing.

I do know this board has been way ahead on the science and in terms of trying to flesh out what really happened. Guys like Jerry Thornton were well behind when it came to Mike Kensil's involvement on the matter, in fact all he had to do to write his piece was read the threads going on here at that time.

As far as the science goes Pissah and a number of other very good poster's on this site were way out in front and were right before Carnegie and Columbia came out with the findings that backed them up. It was another instance of this board doing the heavy lifting to support the Patriots when the sh.t was being flung their way. I wish the team has an internal department that did as good a job as many of the poster's here have done debunking the bullsh.t and defending the Patriots against the lies and attacks leveled at them by the media and other scumbags.

I'm not sure what people here think of Rich Hill but he just tweeted to SOV that they have been out in front on deflategate since the start, so it's not just us " homers wearing rose colored glasses" who are giving them credit.

Ivan said:

That has everything to do with it. If there source was in the league office and league officials believed it would be over that week it's completely consistent. And SOV said the investigation would be over that week, not that no punishment would be handed down that weekend, you are conflating the posts.

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These posts went back-to-back:

Sharks of Vegas @SharksOfVegas · Jan 22
Official announcement is expected sometime over the weekend. NFL simply has no "proof" the Patriots themselves tampered with the balls.

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Sharks of Vegas @SharksOfVegas · Jan 22
BREAKING - Our source has CONFIRMED there will be NO penalties imposed on the Patriots by the NFL in the wake of deflategate.

So yes, they did say that the official announcement of no penalties would come that weekend. That's unarguable. It's right there.

I will say it again, I don't know either SOV is piggybacking or whether they have some inside knowledge but so far they have not been wrong other than to say the investigation would be done that week when the league was on record saying the same thing.

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On January 20th, Troy Vincent said that the investigation would be complete in 2-3 days. On January 23rd, the morning after SoV's tweets, it was announced Ted Wells had been hired by the NFL.

The most logical explanation is SoV has no inside source, that they simply were going off the most recent information they had - which is Troy Vincent announcing two days prior the investigation would end imminently.

I do know this board has been way ahead on the science and in terms of trying to flesh out what really happened. Guys like Jerry Thornton were well behind when it came to Mike Kensil's involvement on the matter, in fact all he had to do to write his piece was read the threads going on here at that time.

As far as the science goes Pissah and a number of other very good poster's on this site were way out in front and were right before Carnegie and Columbia came out with the findings that backed them up. It was another instance of this board doing the heavy lifting to support the Patriots when the sh.t was being flung their way.

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That's my point exactly. No one here has any inside sources of information. They are simply using their noggin. Maybe SoV is too, and good for them, but unlike the posters here, they are not intimating that they have inside information into the investigation. And unlike SoV, they aren't plagiarizing actual journalist's work and trying to ride the credit to their own.

To me, four instances of re-packaging Schefter, Curran or PFT's information as their break undermines their credibility more than anything. Patsfans posters, Jerry Thornton, the Barstool guy, they will all cite the information they have, and in each case, it was one usually either Schefter or Curran. They don't says "sources say..." or ambiguously say "remember the name Kensil...[because Tom E Curran wrote an article about him a few hours ago, but we won't link you to that, why bother!!]

BradyManny said:

These posts went back-to-back:

Sharks of Vegas @SharksOfVegas · Jan 22
Official announcement is expected sometime over the weekend. NFL simply has no "proof" the Patriots themselves tampered with the balls.

300 retweets108 favorites
Sharks of Vegas @SharksOfVegas · Jan 22
BREAKING - Our source has CONFIRMED there will be NO penalties imposed on the Patriots by the NFL in the wake of deflategate.

So yes, they did say that the official announcement of no penalties would come that weekend. That's unarguable. It's right there.



On January 20th, Troy Vincent said that the investigation would be complete in 2-3 days. On January 23rd, the morning after SoV's tweets, it was announced Ted Wells had been hired by the NFL.

The most logical explanation is SoV has no inside source, that they simply were going off the most recent information they had - which is Troy Vincent announcing two days prior the investigation would end imminently.

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One tweet says the investigation will end by the weekend, that was wrong but consistent with what the league was saying. The other tweet says there will be no punishment, so far there hasn't been. It does not mention the weekend in it.

Ivan said:

One tweet says the investigation will end by the weekend, that was wrong but consistent with what the league was saying. The other tweet says there will be no punishment, so far there hasn't been. It does not mention the weekend in it.

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So you are saying that in reading those two posts, you do not think that they are saying that an official announcement of no punishment for the Patriots was coming over the weekend? What exactly would be "officially announced" then?

Jlaff said:

(From the Curran article) How did I miss THAT report? I had an unhealthy fixation with the whole damn thing, can't see how that slipped past me.

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Honestly it probably doesn't even matter much if they were inflated indoors or outdoors at half-time. You're talking about adding 5-10% more new air to a ball filled with - at the time - 50F air. I'll let someone smarter than me do the calculations, but you're above spec when you go test them later either way. Whether they are tested with the balls straight off the field at 50F, or even more obviously, if they sit in a 70F locker room for a little while.

I don't want to overstate my previous point. Really, my larger point is the fact that they remained above spec after half-time is not surprising, and not an indictment on the Patriots. It is again, just an application of basic gas laws.

BradyManny said:

So you are saying that in reading those two posts, you do not think that they are saying that an official announcement of no punishment for the Patriots was coming over the weekend? What exactly would be "officially announced" then?

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That relates to their belief that the investigation would be over, which is what Vincent thought as well. The other tweet says they won't be punished and to date they haven't been. If they are SOV will be wrong.

BradyManny said:

These posts went back-to-back:

Sharks of Vegas @SharksOfVegas · Jan 22
Official announcement is expected sometime over the weekend. NFL simply has no "proof" the Patriots themselves tampered with the balls.

300 retweets108 favorites
Sharks of Vegas @SharksOfVegas · Jan 22
BREAKING - Our source has CONFIRMED there will be NO penalties imposed on the Patriots by the NFL in the wake of deflategate.

So yes, they did say that the official announcement of no penalties would come that weekend. That's unarguable. It's right there.



On January 20th, Troy Vincent said that the investigation would be complete in 2-3 days. On January 23rd, the morning after SoV's tweets, it was announced Ted Wells had been hired by the NFL.

The most logical explanation is SoV has no inside source, that they simply were going off the most recent information they had - which is Troy Vincent announcing two days prior the investigation would end imminently.



That's my point exactly. No one here has any inside sources of information. They are simply using their noggin. Maybe SoV is too, and good for them, but unlike the posters here, they are not intimating that they have inside information into the investigation. And unlike SoV, they aren't plagiarizing actual journalist's work and trying to ride the credit to their own.

To me, four instances of re-packaging Schefter, Curran or PFT's information as their break undermines their credibility more than anything. Patsfans posters, Jerry Thornton, the Barstool guy, they will all cite the information they have, and in each case, it was one usually either Schefter or Curran. They don't says "sources say..." or ambiguously say "remember the name Kensil...[because Tom E Curran wrote an article about him a few hours ago, but we won't link you to that, why bother!!]

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Your interpretation of this is all a bit premature. Ivan has outlined exactly what very well have been the logistics.

The information that the SOV tweeted could very well have been based on the INTERNAL league investigation. They found nothing and were ready to issue no penalties against the Pats. Remember, Jan. 22nd was the day the Pats finally felt confident enough to actually talk about the issue and have the 2 press conferences. It could very well have been a cut and dry verdict on their part at that moment.

And subsequently that day, the league then decided to take it outside and to go the Wells route.

How does that, in any way, refute what SOV tweeted?

You, yourself, admitted "On January 23rd, the morning after SoV's tweets, it was announced Ted Wells had been hired by the NFL.". The league CHANGED DIRECTION.

Yes the league changed direction. Somehow SOV's "source(s)" didn't advise them of that.
The simplest interpretation of the objective evidence (timing of tweets) shows SOV to simply be astute re-tweeters of breaking news, not generators.

shmessy said:

You, yourself, admitted "On January 23rd, the morning after SoV's tweets, it was announced Ted Wells had been hired by the NFL.". The league CHANGED DIRECTION.

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Yes, the league changed direction between January 20th & January 23rd. SoV's tweets were January 22nd. Wells being hired was announced early January 23rd, presumably a well-placed source would've known by the time of SoV's tweets on January 22nd. Instead, they tweeted something definitive that was completely the opposite of what came to pass. Their source missed this change of direction.

I'm sorry, but the most natural conclusion is that they were simply - as they have done throughout this thing - repurposing what information they have, and taking it farther in an effort to look like they had inside intel. In this case they were combining what Vincent said on the 20th (done in 2-3 days) with what Schefter said on the 22nd (league can't find anything) to produce the statement: league can't find anything, announcement of no punishment coming over the weekend. They took two pieces of information, one now outdated unbeknownst to them, and one accurate, and made a prediction. That prediction turned out to be wrong.

I am truly surprised over the lack of skepticism we are showing them simply because their tweets are to our benefit.

I've said how I feel about SoV, I probably won't engage in any further discussion. To me, the evidence is overwhelming they are likely just guessing right and trying to look tapped in for the sake of their business (ie, offering inside information to gamblers). Again, what I like least is that they are not giving credit where its due, ie Schefter or Curran, who legitimately broke stories hours before SoV tried to piggyback them. They could've just posted links to the relevant articles.