Interesting Tidbit from Albert Breer about the Wells' Investigation Today (4/10)

AndyJohnson said:

If you don't think this:

but I’ve heard the investigators have been through Foxboro more than once. Anybody who touched the footballs or knows the people who touched the footballs has been subjected to metal chair under a single naked lightbulb-type questioning.

refutes that 'the investigation is taking so long because they are focussed on the colts and the league'
Then you simply are in denial and cannot admit you are wrong.
By the way, you need to hone your comprehension skills. The anyone who touched the footballs comment is in the next sentence and same paragraph as being in Foxboro more than once, so that is not about Kensil or the Colts, unless they flew to Foxboro,

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So, you successfully posted a story that refutes something that Breer never said. Congratulations!

Never once did Breer say this investigation is taking so long because they investigating the Colts and League. He said that he feels that what the league and Colts knew and did before and during the game will be the key to report and feels that that will be extensively covered. And based Curran's article, CURRAN AGREES WITH BREER.

And read the quote you posted again. It says anyone who touched the footballs or knows people who touched the footballs have been put under the microscope. That doesn't begin and end with the Pats. That implies that the refs, the Colts, and Kensil are getting the same scrutiny because all touched the football. Here is the quote again:

Anybody who touched the footballs or knows the people who touched the footballs has been subjected to metal chair under a single naked lightbulb-type questioning.

Again, Breer never said that the investigation turned from the Pats to the League and Colts (That was Sharks of Vegas). He just implied that the League and Colts were examined extensively and there could be some damning evidence against them of anything from incompetence to something shady. There was little chance that the Pats weren't going to be put under a microscope whether the Wells reports convicts them or exonerates them. Wells was hired to investigate the Patriots and even if he found evidence of the League and Colts conspiring to set up the Pats, he still needed to thoroughly investigate the Pats to see if they purposely deflated the balls.

My reading comprehension is just fine, you might want to check your's. Hey maybe the refs, Kensil, and the Colts all have ESP and never actually touched the footballs and will not be put under the microscopes. But if they are just mere mortals, Curran states that they were examined extensively.

I don't really care that much about what Albert Breer, Tom Curran, or the Sharks of Vegas (whatever that is) to argue about it....

VectorPrime said:

For it to take this long the investigation has to have switched away from the Patriots and toward the league. Nothing else makes sense.

Also hasn't the league publicly denied that Grigson told them about any suspicions before the game? Someone's lying and I bet it's Grigson trying to cover his ass. Or he just told Kensil and defined him as "the league" when in reality he had no authority to do anything on his own and thus kept it from the rest of the NFL.

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I tend to agree. This report is going to be a very interesting because we know some definite agendas were at work that day on the part of Grigson and Kensil. I'll never forget how that Colt player who intercepted that pass before halftime ( had the ball confiscated and has not seen it since) stated he did not notice any deflation issues with that ball. And don't forget about the recently fired NFL employee caught stealing footballs from the sidelines.
Lots of layers to this story. We'll find out just how legit these league investigations are when that report comes out.

Rob0729 said:

So, you successfully posted a story that refutes something that Breer never said. Congratulations!

Never once did Breer say this investigation is taking so long because they investigating the Colts and League.

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Wow. Read below, that is what he said.
In response to why it is slow he says the key is going to be the Colts and the league. He says that is what they are looking into.

things don’t move fast. I still think the key here is going to be how the Colts got the information in the first place that prompted Colts General Manager Ryan Grigson to go to the league during the week of the game, and how the league handled it during the week of the game,” said Breer. “I’m sure those are a couple of things they’re looking into. I don’t think this thing should take very long. I’m with everybody else, but again, I know the way lawyers work and generally it’s not very swiftly.

He said that he feels that what the league and Colts knew and did before and during the game will be the key to report and feels that that will be extensively covered. And based Curran's article, CURRAN AGREES WITH BREER.

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He said that in the context of what is taking so long. You can't pull a sentence out of context and ignore the context. Well,you can but it makes you wrong.
Curran certainly did not agree that it is taking this long for those reasons.

And read the quote you posted again. It says anyone who touched the footballs or knows people who touched the footballs have been put under the microscope. That doesn't begin and end with the Pats. That implies that the refs, the Colts, and Kensil are getting the same scrutiny because all touched the football. Here is the quote again:

Anybody who touched the footballs or knows the people who touched the footballs has been subjected to metal chair under a single naked lightbulb-type questioning.

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Again, context and reading comprehension. This follows a sentence saying they have been to Foxboro numerous times.
I cannot help if you do not understand grammar and what the purpose of a paragraph is.

Again, Breer never said that the investigation turned from the Pats to the League and Colts (That was Sharks of Vegas).

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He said the key to the delay is what the Colts and the league did.

He just implied that the League and Colts were examined extensively and there could be some damning evidence against them of anything from incompetence to something shady

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No he didn't he said it was the key to why it is taking so long. He made no mention of wrong doing, incompetance or shadyness.

There was little chance that the Pats weren't going to be put under a microscope whether the Wells reports convicts them or exonerates them. Wells was hired to investigate the Patriots and even if he found evidence of the League and Colts conspiring to set up the Pats, he still needed to thoroughly investigate the Pats to see if they purposely deflated the balls.

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What is your point here?

My reading comprehension is just fine, you might want to check your's.

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Not when you ignore context and the purpose of a paragraph.
To prove your comprehension is good you are pulling sentences out of context and saying you comprehend them. See whats wrong there?

Hey maybe the refs, Kensil, and the Colts all have ESP and never actually touched the footballs and will not be put under the microscopes. But if they are just mere mortals, Curran states that they were examined extensively.

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Again context.
No one said they weren't questioned, but we are talking about what the delay is and nothing in Currans article says it is because of that.
Doesn't mean it isn't, but proper understanding of what is being written tells you that he is not saying that at all.

So what we have is Breer made a guess, and Curran gave a different reason, which seems like a guess with a little inside info.
Note that Curran mentioned a source, which you said Breer could never do.

AndyJohnson said:

Wow. Read below, that is what he said.
In response to why it is slow he says the key is going to be the Colts and the league. He says that is what they are looking into.

things don’t move fast. I still think the key here is going to be how the Colts got the information in the first place that prompted Colts General Manager Ryan Grigson to go to the league during the week of the game, and how the league handled it during the week of the game,” said Breer. “I’m sure those are a couple of things they’re looking into. I don’t think this thing should take very long. I’m with everybody else, but again, I know the way lawyers work and generally it’s not very swiftly.





He said that in the context of what is taking so long. You can't pull a sentence out of context and ignore the context. Well,you can but it makes you wrong.
Curran certainly did not agree that it is taking this long for those reasons.




Again, context and reading comprehension. This follows a sentence saying they have been to Foxboro numerous times.
I cannot help if you do not understand grammar and what the purpose of a paragraph is.


He said the key to the delay is what the Colts and the league did.


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No he didn't he said it was the key to why it is taking so long. He made no mention of wrong doing, incompetance or shadyness.


What is your point here?


Not when you ignore context and the purpose of a paragraph.
To prove your comprehension is good you are pulling sentences out of context and saying you comprehend them. See whats wrong there?


Again context.
No one said they weren't questioned, but we are talking about what the delay is and nothing in Currans article says it is because of that.
Doesn't mean it isn't, but proper understanding of what is being written tells you that he is not saying that at all.

So what we have is Breer made a guess, and Curran gave a different reason, which seems like a guess with a little inside info.
Note that Curran mentioned a source, which you said Breer could never do.

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I am done with the foolishness. Just like every thread you get involved in, you just want to spin every argument and every piece of information to force feed your argument in on people. It doesn't matter the topic or the poster you engage. You don't want to debate an argument. You think everyone you "debate" with is your enemy and has to be utterly defeated and forced to bow to your greatness in your point.

I am done getting sucked into this stupidity..

hwc said:

I don't really care that much about what Albert Breer, Tom Curran, or the Sharks of Vegas (whatever that is) to argue about it....

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Curran has been on top of things. Breer has nothing of value, and SoV is what they are.

Someone asked Reiss today in his mailbag about the SoV rumors (not by name) and he said:

"I haven't heard that specifically. My sense is that the primary focus remains the Patriots and if there was any deliberate action, coupled with why one set of footballs would be underinflated while another set of footballs apparently was not."

hwc said:

I don't really care that much about what Albert Breer, Tom Curran, or the Sharks of Vegas (whatever that is) to argue about it....

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Ummmm, you posted in this thread.

Rob0729 said:

I am done with the foolishness. Just like every thread you get involved in, you just want to spin every argument and every piece of information to force feed your argument in on people. It doesn't matter the topic or the poster you engage. You don't want to debate an argument. You think everyone you "debate" with is your enemy and has to be utterly defeated and forced to bow to your greatness in your point.

I am done getting sucked into this stupidity..

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Good on you. But I really enjoyed Andy's spot on DI imitation.

rlcarr said:

Someone asked Reiss today in his mailbag about the SoV rumors (not by name) and he said:

"I haven't heard that specifically. My sense is that the primary focus remains the Patriots and if there was any deliberate action, coupled with why one set of footballs would be underinflated while another set of footballs apparently was not."

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We're missing a potential Nobel Prize in physics for balls that do not conform with the Ideal Gas Laws!

OK, OK, I realize that a string of Ifs could explain such, like Colts balls set high at 13.5 and/or inflated at a significant lower air temp.

But once again, what authoritative named source disclosed the information on the Colts balls psi #s?

shmessy said:

Good on you. But I really enjoyed Andy's spot on DI imitation.

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I don't know how anyone could ever be mad at Andy. He's a force of nature. The embodiment of the interminable march of time, dispatching foes through sheer erosion as each post crashes against you promising only another wave of words to follow. Forever.

I just stand and marvel and wish I was smart enough to harness his energy for good instead of evil.

Just exchanged some tweets with Mike.

It appears he has heard stuff from people that the primary focus remains on NE, but that he has enough questions on the validity of what they are saying or their closeness to the situation that he prefers to report it as his "sense".

So I'd say it's more than just his gut feel/supposition, but less than being actually told it by a known reliable source.

So what we're saying is... We still don't know jack. 3 months later.

Ivan said:

That's Ok, I have got something way better for him to sink his teeth into. He can do some research into the greatest crime against the integrity of the NFL in the modern era. A few years back a team with a future hall of game QB lost him for the season and rather than find a suitable backup to make them competitive they embarked upon a season long quest to lose as many games as possible and thereby get themselves the first overall choice in the Draft and another franchise caliber QB. Unbelievable eh? Believe it, in fact to do so they literally passed on starting quality QBs available and made sure that only QBs who had no hope of winning were at the helm. In fact they were so brazen in their desire to be the worst team in the league that they even branded it SUCK FOR LUCK! They literally squandered the integrity of an entire NFL season and all of the results from it just so they could get their guy. Fans paid big money just to watch a team lose on purpose. WTF, is this the WWE? And across the league teams got to play them for easy wins that altered playoff scenarios and irreversibly altered all playoff results for that season. Might as well put a big old *beside the Lombardi winner.

There's a big old juicy story for Doyel and it's sitting right in his back yard and would win him award after award if he did it justice and told the story of THE GREATEST SPORTS CRIME EVER COMMITTED: THE STORY OF THE 2011 INDIANAPOLIS COLTS

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Jim Irsay has too much integrity to allow such a thing. Ok, I lied.

I happened to listen to Duhyel's interview on WEEI a few days ago. He got a little scared when they pressed him on his bs. He reminded me of this guy in the chair;



It's too bad the WEEI crew didn't ask him about his thoughts on Suck For Luck and on Indy dumping a game against the Jets on purpose in 2009. That one worked perfectly until Manning did his magic and tossed a pick 6 to seal the Lombardi for the Bounty Boys*

This is senseless. Over the last 3 months we have discussed and parsed every possible outcome from ideal to absurd and we STILL have no idea what will be in the Welles report. Given my opinion of the league's overt animosity towards the Pats and the sustained excellence they represent, I tend to expect the worst, and hope for the best

However at the end of this all, everything will change about air pressure and footballs. Prior to that January night I would be willing to bet that 99% of fans didn't even KNOW that there were maximum and and minimum levels of PSI, let alone the policies and procedures that were (or at a least supposed to be in in place) before every game. In 2015 I don't doubt that along with the 45 man roster, the networks will announce the weights and measures on all 22 balls along with the signatures of the officials who were responsible.

ESPN will call it the "Patriot protection rule", because despite that the Welles report will find the Pats did no wrong, ESPN won't waste and opportunity to throw dirt on the Pats when the opportunity presents itself. We all know that the Welles report will be a work in progress unless or until there comes a point in time that the league can throw some "gray" on NE, because there HAS to be some justification for all this. They can't just "let it end". Don't forget that there is NOTHING "independent" about this report. This is the NFL's instrument, just like Welles is. He's bought and paid, just like his lawfirm, and if getting to the truth means making the league look bad and the Pats look good, it isn't going to happen

fnordcircle said:

I don't know how anyone could ever be mad at Andy. He's a force of nature. The embodiment of the interminable march of time, dispatching foes through sheer erosion as each post crashes against you promising only another wave of words to follow. Forever.

I just stand and marvel and wish I was smart enough to harness his energy for good instead of evil.

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I've had to put him on ignore because he used to follow me around the forum. I actually used to debate back with him out of boredom and it led to him sending me an "FU" PM back in 2010 that was pretty hilarious. I've saved it because it brings me joy to read just how mad he got the point that he threatened a guy over the internet. This was back when he was a mod too. Let me know if you want to read it and I'll send it to you.

fnordcircle said:

I don't know how anyone could ever be mad at Andy. He's a force of nature. The embodiment of the interminable march of time, dispatching foes through sheer erosion as each post crashes against you promising only another wave of words to follow. Forever.

I just stand and marvel and wish I was smart enough to harness his energy for good instead of evil.

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Andy Johnson is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.

KontradictioN said:

I've had to put him on ignore because he used to follow me around the forum. I actually used to debate back with him out of boredom and it led to him sending me an "FU" PM back in 2010 that was pretty hilarious. I've saved it because it brings me joy to read just how mad he got the point that he threatened a guy over the internet. This was back when he was a mod too. Let me know if you want to read it and I'll send it to you.

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He was a mod?!?!

patsbrasilpatriotas said:

I hope they finish this before draft. I will love to have 3 top 32 picks.

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At this point, I don't think any punishment would be for this year, way too late into draft prep, it wouldn't be fair to either team.

1960Pats said:

Andy Johnson is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.

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There was a poster named Andy's Johnson a while back. It was pretty funny when he'd chime in.