Comforting tweet from Sharks of Vegas

patman52 said:

Again, they may have been right and the nfl, for the sake of propriety decided later to bring in wells. The NFL did not want to look like they were sweeping it under the rug like they did with Rice. Now as others have said, I think it is just an "informed & educated opinion" and not a direct source that is tied to the league. I happen to think that in the first few days someone in the league asked the question how could this have occurred and someone mentioned the gas laws as a possibility.

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The Colts and Ravens thought the Patriots did it as they did not understand science and did not measure their own balls as a control. They did not feel they needed to as they knew that they did not deflate their own balls. Kensil or others want to bag the Patriots because the Patriots are in their heads. Then throw in the low rate of Patriots fumbles (They don't see BB gets rid of anyone who fumbles) and they have figured it all out in their heads (wrongly). The sting is sprung, the PSI is lower, Kensil and other think we have them and blow it to the press who run wild. Then when no tape shows of a Patriot doing this, and science rears its head, they go into survival mode and all the defensive half truth leaks begin. Think of the timing of the ball attendant story coming out right after the Patriots were in the air so they could not respond. Finally Kraft lays the smack down and forces the NFL to put up and the leaks stop.

Wells goes to Columbia, that gets resolved quickly (as it should) investigation finished with Patriots and turns to how this all happened, the concerns, the sting, who told who, the leaks, did the Colts remove an extra pound of PSI to make it look worse than it was.

My guess at an end result :

1) Colts black eye but no official punishment. Nothing wrong with telling about a concern to NFL, probably no proof they intentionally let another pound out. I hate the thought they did everything they could to ruin the Patriots Superbowl chances by the smears they laid down.

2) Ravens no penalties. They just told a team something they noticed

3) NFL Firings and restructure of personal and game day procedures. I hope the reffs realize all the new work they have is a result of the Ravens and Colts acting like middle schoolers. I would not be surprised if the Patriots get their apology from the NFL if for no other reason than their balls being tampered with by the NFL at halftime.

Any interest in funding an app for the iPhone which is a ball deflation guide, Enter in the PSI and the room temperature and then enter game temperature and it will show projected game PSI and the PSI difference. I can get it done for around $300.

Best case scenario - colts equipment guy intentionally deflated that one football that was found to be significantly under inflated. Pats awarded colts first round pick in 2015.

Chiuba E. Obele said:

Mind posting those vids. Would luv to see them

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here's another good one:

I think the league (kensil) and the colts (Grigson) just did it to embarrass the pats. Grigson is a Purdue grad so he may very well be familiar with gas laws. He hates the pats, as they kicked his ass with st louis, then philly and now with Indy. Kensil is a well know hater, and this was a way to embarrass the pats. And they did a great job.

Now the only problem with how it played out was why did he wait till 1/2 time to check the balls after Grigson made the complaint. the balls should have been checked 5 min prior to kickoff. He now has to explain why he let 1/2 of a game be played with under inflated balls, when he was warned beforehand.

No part of the game WAS played with under-inflated footballs. The second half of the game was, however, played with over-inflated footballs.

The first half of the game was played with normally-inflated footballs that experienced a normal weather-related drop in pressure (and not a drop in inflation level).

These normally-inflated footballs, by halftime at a much-reduced temperature due to game conditions, were then illegally over-inflated at halftime by someone other than a game-day / on-field official.

rlcarr said:

See DI's post above (#22 in the thread) for one example.

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See my post #36.

Curran with some more winning with another quality (and relevant) DeflateGate article:

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/deflategate-questions-need-answering-wells

They’ve talked to enough people. At the owner’s meetings, I asked someone who would know what the holdup was. They said, “You figure they’d talk to the backup quarterback, right? Well, they’re talking to the backup quarterbacks from years ago too.” I don’t know if that was apocryphal or not, but I’ve heard the investigators have been through Foxboro more than once. Anybody who touched the footballs or knows the people who touched the footballs has been subjected to metal chair under a single naked lightbulb-type questioning.

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Suggests SoV is probably pulling that tweet out of their butt if Wells et al are interviewing our backup QBs from years ago.

For what it's worth, Sharks clarified the tweet and said it wasn't about JUST the Patriots, it's about the PATS, Colts and officials. Sharks also thinks possible the Patriots do get fined for submitting underinflated footballs to the league.

"This line in the NFL’s statement announcing the investigation indicated that the league’s ears were open to anybody who wanted to whisper in them: “Our investigation will seek information from any and all relevant sources and we expect full cooperation from other clubs as well.”

Interesting. So they certainly must have talked to Aaron Rogers, Mr Sneaky Overinflated then. Right? <crickets>

Sharks of Vegas @SharksOfVegas · 2m2 minutes ago
Feed the story to Kravitz and it was off and running. Mort was fed the same story and he jumped on it.

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Sharks of Vegas @SharksOfVegas · 3m3 minutes ago
Balls were under inflated since Brady likes them like that and the refs don't check. Instant scandal.

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Sharks of Vegas @SharksOfVegas · 4m4 minutes ago
My theory is the Colts took air out of the Jackson Int ball. Called Kensil to get the investigation going. They knew the Pats (Cont)


I'm doubling down on these guys are just pulling stuff out their butt.

Did anyone here post on the old ESPN Patriots board? I ask because SOV sounds a little like the NewEnglandInsider poster. NewEnglandInsider showed up in the late spring or maybe summer of 2008 and made a bunch of authoritative statements about the inner workings of the team; things like how much the team like Mayo and how team management disliked Matt Walsh. It sounded good and was presented in a convincing manner, but some posters (not me) were sharp enough to notice that NEInsider wasn't saying anything that wasn't already public info. For example, he didn't say anything about the team targeting Mayo before the draft and the team being unhappy about a former employee who said negative things about him wasn't a surprising leap in logic. He only made 2 or 3 posts, but enough people had caught onto NEInsider's act and he disappeared.

The situations are different, but I kind of feel the same way about the SOV tweets. I'd like his predictions on this matter to be true, but he really hasn't shown that he has any inside information. SOV wasn't first in mentioning Kensil and we probably won't know until the Wells report comes out if his other statements are accurate. If would be great for Patriots fans if SOV is right and it would be a bonus for SOV's credibility if they're right, but I'm skeptical at this point.

One other additional thought on my earlier post: Motivation

With the fake "insider" on the ESPN message board, they were trying to mislead Patriots fans. I'm not sure if they had any larger goals beyond that, but that was just trolling with an anonymous account on an anonymous board.

With SOV, it's the twitter account for a sports handicapping service, the self-proclaimed "most accurate sports bettors in the world." If they turn out to be right about this, even if they are just guessing correctly, that will be a boost for their credibility. People may believe they have some pipeline on NFL inside information. If they turn out to be wrong, I don't think they'll won't take a huge hit, but they'll lose some of their 106K twitter followers.

Taking a strong pro-Patriot stance isn't a popular way to gain attention and clicks on social media, so why is SOV taking going that route? The site is a group of handicappers, so it's not just one Patriot fan sticking his neck out. Do they have some kernels of inside information or did they look at how everyone was losing their heads after the news broke in January, used some common sense and logic and took a position for the opposite outcome? Or is it a combination of both? I never heard of SOV before this story began, but, whenever the results of the investigation come out, they'll either be the next Erica Leigh or have earned some real cachet.

BradyManny said:

Curran with some more winning with another quality (and relevant) DeflateGate article:

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/deflategate-questions-need-answering-wells



Suggests SoV is probably pulling that tweet out of their butt if Wells et al are interviewing our backup QBs from years ago.

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How long after the game were the balls measured?

Leaked information indicated that the balls were measured after the game and came back within the prescribed PSI. How long after the game? Where were they kept prior to measuring?

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(From the Curran article) How did I miss THAT report? I had an unhealthy fixation with the whole damn thing, can't see how that slipped past me.

Jlaff said:

(From the Curran article) How did I miss THAT report? I had an unhealthy fixation with the whole damn thing, can't see how that slipped past me.

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If they were measured outside of course they would be the same. If they were measured inside after being given time to warm up, they would be higher. That they measured the same after the game means nothing at all.

Koma said:

Did anyone here post on the old ESPN Patriots board? I ask because SOV sounds a little like the NewEnglandInsider poster. NewEnglandInsider showed up in the late spring or maybe summer of 2008 and made a bunch of authoritative statements about the inner workings of the team; things like how much the team like Mayo and how team management disliked Matt Walsh. It sounded good and was presented in a convincing manner, but some posters (not me) were sharp enough to notice that NEInsider wasn't saying anything that wasn't already public info. For example, he didn't say anything about the team targeting Mayo before the draft and the team being unhappy about a former employee who said negative things about him wasn't a surprising leap in logic. He only made 2 or 3 posts, but enough people had caught onto NEInsider's act and he disappeared.

The situations are different, but I kind of feel the same way about the SOV tweets. I'd like his predictions on this matter to be true, but he really hasn't shown that he has any inside information. SOV wasn't first in mentioning Kensil and we probably won't know until the Wells report comes out if his other statements are accurate. If would be great for Patriots fans if SOV is right and it would be a bonus for SOV's credibility if they're right, but I'm skeptical at this point.

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Although it's great to see someone backing our team, I've shared your skepticism since day one. There have been some things that SOV has been right about, and others which simply passed on other information. As we know, they've also been wrong on other stuff, such as the expected timeframe. We keep hearing that "they've been right on the money," but we really have no idea yet, as nothing has been proven aside from the fact that the general public jumped on the anti-Patriots bandwagon too early. Like I said--at least someone had the balls to try and combat the initial leads, so props to him, as it's much appreciated. How valid he actually is, will be determined at a later date.

I highly disagree that it sounds anything remotely like "NE Insider," whose comments and messages were very elaborate and detail-oriented. They were well written from what I remember, and even though they were pushing things, they certainly had some sense of truth to them. Obviously, anyone of us could probably do a fine job of coming up with an anonymous handle that speaks on the "inner workings" of the Patriots organization. Like you say, he used a well documented "foundation," so to speak, which was elaborated upon with very vague sprinkles of stuff that would fit into the category of believable.

Jlaff said:

(From the Curran article) How did I miss THAT report? I had an unhealthy fixation with the whole damn thing, can't see how that slipped past me.

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One of the other pieces of pertinent information is that the Patriots filled them up on the sidelines before the start of the 2nd half. If true, it would be no wonder why the balls stayed at legal PSI, T1 would equal T2.

tom.kordis said:

The fact that he wrote this, that early, suggests to me one of two possible things:
1) he knows enough about temperature & pressure to have done the calculation himself (& therefore, doesn't depend on anyone else's information or knowledge), or

2) he is a good enough researcher/reporter to know enough to consult with someone who knows. Most likely, one or more competent scientist(s) or engineer(s).

In either case, one gets the right answer in a matter of minutes.

As soon as one runs the numbers and discovers that the change in temperature accounts for ALL of the pressure drop, the conclusions that you list become inevitable.

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He talked to a Pats insider who assured him. The air pressure stuff wasn't even being discussed by anyone. The story broke on a Monday morning, when Brady laughed at it. By evening, the NFL and Mortensen had confirmed it. By Tuesday morning, the sharks were saying it was BS.

BradyManny said:

But posters were saying the same thing here. I don't think SoV has said anything that wasn't said on patsfans.com, Tom E Currans' blog, or out of Schefter's mouth first.

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Nope, SOV said it first.

shmessy said:

They may have been 100% correct at the time.

The internal NFL investigation in those first few days may have uncovered no Patriots culpability - - - yet, uncovered Kensil's actions, Grigson prior week alerting of NFL representatives that were NOT handled pregame, and finally good ol' Scott Miller's entrepreneurial skills with the kicking balls.

All of that very may well have forced the NFL to change directions on Thursday January 22nd.

Note closely that date. That is the same day that the Patriots (after saying exactly nothing in the previous 3 days regarding the intense scandal) changed directions and first went on the offensive with Belichick's initial convincing presser and Brady's initial weak presser. The Patriots suits obviously felt pretty confident at that moment.

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And before January 22nd, SOV said that no one on the Patriots tampered with the balls.

upstater1 said:

Nope, SOV said it first.

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EXHIBIT A:
January 25th, 1:50 pm.
Tom E Curran posts the first mention of Mike Kensil.
January 25th, 7:10 pm.
Sharks of Vegas‏@SharksOfVegas
Mike Kensil, remember that name guys.......

6 hours later, they piggyback Tom E's hard work and get credit for it.

EXHIBIT B:
February 6th, 11 AM
Schefter goes on WEEI on February 6th, says some people think the Colts deflated the ball on their sideline.
February 6th, 12:45 PM
Sharks of Vegas‏@SharksOfVegas
We heard some rumors that the NFL believes the Colts tampered with the D'Qwell Jackson ball but they are still rumors at this point.

If by "heard some rumors" they meant "listened to WEEI today and heard Adam Schefter say," then they have made an accurate statement.

Be skeptical, and do not believe the hype. We've seen guys like this on the internet before.